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I've been lurking for a long time.

I dont recall it was any one thread or big political event. I think people just got tired of the constant hate, anger, and flaming. They begged the mods and admins of the time to please make a separate forum for all that shit.
 
I've been lurking for a long time.

I dont recall it was any one thread or big political event. I think people just got tired of the constant hate, anger, and flaming. They begged the mods and admins of the time to please make a separate forum for all that shit.

It was the Iraq war. They tried condensing all the threads about it in OT into just two, one con, one pro, fantastical failure.
 
The burden of proof was never on Bush,...

BULLS-FUCKING-SHIT! It most certainly was on Bush and his cronies to prove their lies before committing the nation to a war that, as of March 18, 2010 has killed 4,385 American troops, left tens of thousands more wounded, scarred and disabled for life, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians and cost our nation trillions of dollars in current and future expenses our great grandchildren will still be paying long after we're gone from this planet.

  • They lied to Congress and the American people to gain support for their war of lies.

  • They manufactured bogus "evidence" to support those lies.

  • They shredded the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under our once valued, once honored U.S. Constitution with illegal acts of domestic spying on American citizens.

  • They arrested American citizens and imprisoned them in undisclosed locations without access to legal counsel.

  • They committed horrific acts of torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity

Worst of all, they did it in our names and the name of our nation. In so doing, they disgraced the integrity and honor of our entire nation to ourselves and the entire world.

I don't have time to rehash your monumental pile of bullshit. If you want to see how full of shit you are, just reread the entirety of P&N for the last eight years. All of your specious crap has been posted and refuted time and again, only to be raised, yet again, by Bushwhacko sycophants like you who don't understand that repeating the same lies doesn't make them anymore true.

George W. Bush and his criminal gang were as close as this nation ever came to the tyranny of Adolph Hitler and the nazis, including Karl Rove starring in the roll of Joseph Goebbels, master of "The Big Lie."

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Saddam was nobody's nice guy, but he was in a box, and he wasn't going anywhere. You can site all the previous "reports" you want, but no other administration was stupid or evil enough to squander American lives by starting a full military campaign to oust him from Iraq. No other administration was deceitful enough to fabricate "evidence" to support that illegal action. No other administration was callous and criminal enough to shred the Constitution. No other administration was callous and criminal enough to commit acts of torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity.
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Karl Rove would be so proud of you. I'm sure he'll be glad to offer you another fifty gallons of his KoolAid. 🙄

George W. Bush and his entire adminstration should be tried, convicted and sentenced for their crimes. It's the essential first step toward restoring the credibility of the United States of America.
 
BULLS-FUCKING-SHIT! It most certainly was on Bush and his cronies to prove their lies before committing the nation to a war that, as of March 18, 2010 has killed 4,385 American troops, left tens of thousands more wounded, scarred and disabled for life, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians and cost our nation trillions of dollars in current and future expenses our great grandchildren will still be paying long after we're gone from this planet.

  • They lied to Congress and the American people to gain support for their war of lies.

  • They manufactured bogus "evidence" to support those lies.

  • They shredded the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under our once valued, once honored U.S. Constitution with illegal acts of domestic spying on American citizens.

  • They arrested American citizens and imprisoned them in undisclosed locations without access to legal counsel.

  • They committed horrific acts of torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity

Worst of all, they did it in our names and the name of our nation. In so doing, they disgraced the integrity and honor of our entire nation to ourselves and the entire world.

I don't have time to rehash your monumental pile of bullshit. If you want to see how full of shit you are, just reread the entirety of P&N for the last eight years. All of your specious crap has been posted and refuted time and again, only to be raised, yet again, by Bushwhacko sycophants like you who don't understand that repeating the same lies doesn't make them anymore true.

George W. Bush and his criminal gang were as close as this nation ever came to the tyranny of Adolph Hitler and the nazis, including Karl Rove starring in the roll of Joseph Goebbels, master of "The Big Lie."



Saddam was nobody's nice guy, but he was in a box, and he wasn't going anywhere. You can site all the previous "reports" you want, but no other administration was stupid or evil enough to squander American lives by starting a full military campaign to oust him from Iraq. No other administration was deceitful enough to fabricate "evidence" to support that illegal action. No other administration was callous and criminal enough to shred the Constitution. No other administration was callous and criminal enough to commit acts of torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity.
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Karl Rove would be so proud of you. I'm sure he'll be glad to offer you another fifty gallons of his KoolAid. 🙄

George W. Bush and his entire adminstration should be tried, convicted and sentenced for their crimes. It's the essential first step toward restoring the credibility of the United States of America.

Sorry but the burden of proof was on Saddam. He accepted UN resolutions as part of a conditional cease fire during the liberation of Kuwait. Was Kuwait part of Saddam's box? I'm sorry Saddam failed to meet the requirements he willingly accepted, at least according to both Ritter & Blix. That has nothing to do with Bush.

We put Japanese-AMERICAN CITIZENS in camps during WW2, was that during the Bush adminstration as well?

I did not vote for Bush, either term, & the action he took in liberating both Afghanistan & Iraq are really the only two things I feel were positive accomplishments of his administration. Why does someone have to be a hard core Bush supporter to feel that removing Saddam was the right choice of action? The Iraqi people HUNG Saddam, and they are not known to be very pro Bush.

What about the 10k+ Iraqis that needlessly died every single month during years of sanctions? What about the hundreds of thousands of others that were victims of Saddams acts of genocide? What about Saddams war crimes & crimes against humanity? What about the rights of Iraqi citizens? Why do you demand for yourself what you feel others don't deserve?

Why can't you see beyond anything other than trashing Bush? Talk about kool aid vision...
 
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What about the rights of Iraqi citizens? Why do you demand for yourself what you feel others don't deserve?

So did you sign up to fight for the Iraqi citizens rights or encourage your son to go risk his life dpoing so? Are you willing to pay extra taxes to support the Iraqi citizens and their rights?


Get real, or at least stop acting like a sterotypical neocon hypocrite.
 
So did you sign up to fight for the Iraqi citizens rights or encourage your son to go risk his life dpoing so? Are you willing to pay extra taxes to support the Iraqi citizens and their rights?


Get real, or at least stop acting like a sterotypical neocon hypocrite.

I am too old for service & I do not have a son who is old enough. Yes I am willing to pay extra taxes to help rebuild Iraq. The cost to rebuild Afghanistan is more of a burden, Iraq has resources that will greatly contribute to their transition.

You seem to be the one who is clinging to a political side. I don't trust or support either part nor do I believe all the issues facing our country can be separated into only two possible viewpoints.
 
I am too old for service & I do not have a son who is old enough. Yes I am willing to pay extra taxes to help rebuild Iraq. The cost to rebuild Afghanistan is more of a burden, Iraq has resources that will greatly contribute to their transition.

You seem to be the one who is clinging to a political side. I don't trust or support either part nor do I believe all the issues facing our country can be separated into only two possible viewpoints.

Whatever, I know a bullshitting SOB when I hear one though.
 

I've never voted republican on a presidential ballot, & democrats have only gotten 1 of my votes, Clinton in 96. I would have voted for McCain in 2000 but Bush unleashed one of the most effective smear campaigns in modern history & sadly got the nomination.
 
Sorry but the burden of proof was on Saddam.

You're persisting with that "Big Lie" stunt, and you're just as full of shit, this time, as you were in your previous post saying the same thing. The burden of proof you demand would mean that he would have had to prove the negative of the Bushwhackos' lies. There were no Iraqis looking for uranium in Niger. There were no hidden chemical, biological or nuclear facilities. It was all bullshit made up and pimped by your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals, war profiteers and general incompetents.

Talk to us when you can do more than cut and paste eight years of long discredited, years old neocon wingnut talking points and Bushwhacko lies. All of them were tediously covered on P&N, and everything you said has been refuted time and again... and again... and again.... or are you too reading or mouse challenged to review those discussions? 😕

Until you can, you're patently and blatantly full of shit. And you're fucking boring, to boot. 🙄
 
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Sorry but the burden of proof was on Saddam./QUOTE]

You're just as full of shit, this time, as you were in your previous post of the same statement. The burden of proof you demand would mean that he would have had to prove the negative of the Bushwhackos' lies. There were no Iraqis looking for uranium in Niger. There were no hidden chemical, biological or nuclear facilities. It was all bullshit made up and pimped by your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals, war profiteers and general incompetents.

You are still rehashing eight years of P&N, and everything you said has been refuted time and again... and again... and again.... Sorry you're too reading or mouse challenged to review those discussions.

Talk to us when you can do more than cut and paste long discredited, years old neocon wingnut talking points. Until you can, you're patently and blatantly full of shit. And you're fucking boring, to boot. 🙄

Please show me where Bush was responsible for the burden of proof Saddam accepted in the early 90's. The burden of proof was not required to disprove Bush's allegations, it was required to prove his compliance with UN inspectors & the disarmament process he agreed to follow. I only quoted the findings & determinations of Ritter & Blix, which proved he failed on both accounts, nothing from Bush.

8 years and all you're still doing is spouting left wing anti Bush talking points while ignoring the facts. Have you been sheared lately?
 
Please show me where Bush was responsible for the burden of proof Saddam accepted in the early 90's.

You're not paying me enough to do your homework. Show us where Bush wasn't responsible for the murder of the thousands of American troops who died in his war of lies.

Show us where Bush wasn't responsible for ordering and sanctioning acts of torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Show us where Bush wasn't responsible for ordering the destruction of the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under the U.S. Constitution.

Ask your fellow wingnuts -- I can post one or more of my legendary "macros" detailing their crimes, including names, dates, acts, quotes, statutory citations and links to credible legal authorities supporting my statements.

Don't waste anymore of anyone's time until you can match that.
 
Then maybe you shouldn't listen to that voice in your head...

Maybe you should listen to yours. ANybody who claims Bush doesn't have the burden of proof on his lies about WMD's after Bush sent American boys to their deaths obviously doesn't listen to his consience much, if at all.
 
You're not paying me enough to do your homework. Show us where Bush wasn't responsible for the murder of the thousands of American troops who died in his war of lies.

Show us where Bush wasn't responsible for ordering and sanctioning acts of torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Show us where Bush wasn't responsible for ordering the destruction of the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under the U.S. Constitution.

Ask your fellow wingnuts -- I can post one or more of my legendary "macros" detailing their crimes, including names, dates, acts, quotes, statutory citations and links to credible legal authorities supporting my statements.

Don't waste anymore of anyone's time until you can match that.
The citizens of the country I live in do not recognize the opinion of the court that you tried Bush in.
 
Current update for the Bush Apologists .....

Call to bar 6 Iraq election winners 'connected to Saddam'

This is up from 4 the other day. The new '2' are apparently 'Kurdish supporters of Saddam' - anyone else see the absurdity of that? Of the previous 4: 1 has been jailed, 2 are 'on the run', and 1 woman is 'missing'.

About 500 candidates were barred from standing before the election. IIRC, 52 names were 'struck' from the ballot.

It gets even better.

The 'bloc' of current PM Nouri al-Maliki lost 91-89 to the bloc of secular Iyad Allawi, which would mean Allawi should have the first shot at forming a majority coalition of 163 members (out of 325) to lead the government.

Not-so-fast, sez Nouri al-Maliki.

Mr Maliki is reportedly also negotiating a merger with the INA, which includes followers of the radical Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, so he can claim to lead the biggest bloc in parliament. The groups had been part of the governing United Iraqi Alliance (UIA) before the election, but split acrimoniously.

Iraq's Supreme Court issued an opinion of Thursday specifying that a clause in the constitution referring to the "largest Council of Representatives bloc" could include an alliance formed after an election.

The opinion, published in response to a query submitted by Mr Maliki, might allow State of Law and the INA to claim the right to form a government first. Together, they would hold 159 seats, four short of a majority.


I guess Maliki wants the extra '2' for a little breathing room.

AND, it even gets better. The primary Stooge (Tool?) of Maliki in the 'disqualifications' just happens to be Ahmed Chalabi.

Remember him? You just can't make this shit up - LOL

Ahmed Chalabi, our chief 'witness' to Saddam's purported weapons of mass destruction, turns out to be the Puppet Master in Iraq, AND most likely, in cahoots with Iran!


Spin, Bush Monkeys. Spin!





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You're not paying me enough to do your homework. Show us where Bush wasn't responsible for the murder of the thousands of American troops who died in his war of lies.

Show us where Bush wasn't responsible for ordering and sanctioning acts of torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Show us where Bush wasn't responsible for ordering the destruction of the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under the U.S. Constitution.

Ask your fellow wingnuts -- I can post one or more of my legendary "macros" detailing their crimes, including names, dates, acts, quotes, statutory citations and links to credible legal authorities supporting my statements.

Don't waste anymore of anyone's time until you can match that.

If there is such evidence out there why hasn't Bush been brought to trial?

Every commander in chief is responsible for the soliders he puts in harms way. They are also all volunteer, unlike Saddams. I'm sure you would be ok with someone who had brutally oppressed you, possibly tortured you or your family, then forced you to defend him from forces that would give you your freedom. IMHO the sacrifice made by our fine men & women in uniform on behalf of 27,000,000 human beings who now live free was worth every drop of blood spilled.

Bush had nothing to do with the burden of proof Saddam accepted & intentionally failed to provide. He thought Bush would be like every other administration and only attack from the air. He wanted everyone to think he still had WMD, whether he did or not, & he tried holding onto the ability to quickly resume production. Maybe that's why Clinton, &the rest of the worlds intelligence agencies all thought the same as Rotter, Blix, & Bush, they bought Saddam's admitted lies.

Saddam's record of torture, war crimes, & crimes against humanity puts Bush's alleged crimes to shame. We are talking about one of this century's most prolific genocidal 'leaders'. Saddam's denial of basic human rights to his own citizens was a better situation than the rights they enjoy now due to the "Bush's" war?

Tell me how your rights were affected, on a personal level.

Maybe we should have just let sanctions continue. The first 13 years only saw 10k+ Iraqi preventable deaths EVERY MONTH. Even at 10k per that's well over a million. At least half of the deaths were of children, yup, over 500,000 little kids dead because of Saddam trying to, well, be like Bush I guess Harvey would say lol.

Just think what 7 more years of sanctions would have done, maybe another million people. Do we want to count the number of his own citizens he attacked with WMD, or those killed in the war he started with Iran? What about the political dissidents & the rest that were singled out for torture, rape, execution?

Once again I am not pro Bush, I think he was one of the worst presidents this country has been unfortunate enough to have 'chosen', once with the "help" of the SCOTUS. Please feel free to waste your time trying to find anything where I backed his administration in any other issue.
 
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If there is such evidence out there why hasn't Bush been brought to trial?

What gets you off about continuing to rehash eight years and tons of threads on P&N, especially when all of your BS has been thouroughly discredited every freaking time?

Go home and practice, little boy. You're not worth the time to post an answer. :hmm:
 
As I understood it what really happened to cause the ATOT P&N forums to be created was......
On the Seventh day after God created the heavens and the earth and almost everything else....he looked down and said Anand created P&N!! Anand looked up and said-- God--Is that you??

God looked down on the earth and said -- Yes, my beloved Son! It is I!!!

Thus the creation of P&N....

On a side note -- Everybody body knows that Anands forums were created before God created the heavens and the earth,.....
 
As I understood it what really happened to cause the ATOT P&N forums to be created was......
On the Seventh day after God created the heavens and the earth and almost everything else....he looked down and said Anand created P&N!! Anand looked up and said-- God--Is that you??

God looked down on the earth and said -- Yes, my beloved Son! It is I!!!

Thus the creation of P&N....

Some folks think I'm pretty good with puters, but I'm not THAT good. That's why the title is AT Mod, spelled with an "M," not a "G." ()🙂

If you read my post early in the thread, you'd know I did it. Yes, I really did. I was the first AT Mod, and once Anand and the Mod crew determined that it should be done, it was my job to do it. 😎

On a side note -- Everybody body knows that Anands forums were created before God created the heavens and the earth,.....

Of course. That's why some of the mods, including me, are reported to be older than dirt. :sneaky:
 
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