They also have to cater to the lowest common denominator.Originally posted by: tweakmm
A good producer mixes a mix for all ranges of systems.Originally posted by: mchammer
Originally posted by: dug777
eq is for n00bs
listen to it as it was recorded or ban!
The charachteristics of your system likely don't match the ones they use to record, hence EQ
Obviously it depends on the producer and what their target audience is, but why do you think all the popular music put out is compressed to hell? It sure isn't to enhance the dynamic range on my $50,000 B&W system, it's to sound loud/good on sh!tty equipment played over the radio. I guess I shouldn't have said "good producers", I should have said "thoughtful producers".
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In my car, I run everything flat to keep highs from hurting my ears at *VERY* high volumes. Plus, it just sounds better and natural.
On my PC, I have the treble a bit higher than everything else, but it's essentially a "u" shape.
On my PC, I have the treble a bit higher than everything else, but it's essentially a "u" shape.
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Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Huh?
what on earth could you be confused about? Drunk again?
That will give a cheap and very close sound to a very, very expensive speaker/amp combo in terms of accurate sound reproduction.
EQ just ****** around with the sound, why would you want to do that?
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Huh?
what on earth could you be confused about? Drunk again?
That will give a cheap and very close sound to a very, very expensive speaker/amp combo.
EQ just ****** around with the sound, why would you want to do that?
I'm jealous dug777
, you're had much more than I can afford tonight! Holding a speaker close to your ear and using digital reproduced music won't make the frequency response change at all. That "difference" in sound quality is because the speaker is as close to your eardrum as it can get.Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Huh?
what on earth could you be confused about? Drunk again?
That will give a cheap and very close sound to a very, very expensive speaker/amp combo in terms of accurate sound reproduction.
EQ just ****** around with the sound, why would you want to do that?
dug777
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Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Huh?
what on earth could you be confused about? Drunk again?
That will give a cheap and very close sound to a very, very expensive speaker/amp combo.
EQ just ****** around with the sound, why would you want to do that?
I'm jealous dug777
my grammar sucked, my point stands
A decent set of headphones & a good soundcard will give you the kind of accurate sound reproduction that it would take a top of the line speaker/amp combo to get close to...
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Huh?
what on earth could you be confused about? Drunk again?
That will give a cheap and very close sound to a very, very expensive speaker/amp combo.
EQ just ****** around with the sound, why would you want to do that?
I'm jealous dug777
my grammar sucked, my point stands
A decent set of headphones & a good soundcard will give you the kind of accurate sound reproduction that it would take a top of the line speaker/amp combo to get close to...
I'll have what dug777 is having; maybe it will make more sense!
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Originally posted by: SampSon
Holding a speaker close to your ear and using digital reproduced music won't make the frequency response change at all. That "difference" in sound quality is because the speaker is as close to your eardrum as it can get.Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Huh?
what on earth could you be confused about? Drunk again?
That will give a cheap and very close sound to a very, very expensive speaker/amp combo in terms of accurate sound reproduction.
EQ just ****** around with the sound, why would you want to do that?
not really. the quality of the cone/driver in a decent set of phones is massively higher than most speakers (until you get well, well up the price range), in terms of distortion & response...
I believe he's talking about the SQ/$ ratio of a speaker/amp combo versus headphones in which case he's right about headphones having a much better value.Originally posted by: SampSon
Holding a speaker close to your ear and using digital reproduced music won't make the frequency response change at all. That "difference" in sound quality is because the speaker is as close to your eardrum as it can get.Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Huh?
what on earth could you be confused about? Drunk again?
That will give a cheap and very close sound to a very, very expensive speaker/amp combo in terms of accurate sound reproduction.
EQ just ****** around with the sound, why would you want to do that?
Stereo imaging issues aside.
edit:
I was slow on that one. At least I was right about what you meant dug. :laugh:
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Huh?
what on earth could you be confused about? Drunk again?
That will give a cheap and very close sound to a very, very expensive speaker/amp combo.
EQ just ****** around with the sound, why would you want to do that?
I'm jealous dug777
i had 2.5 beers, but they were 8% so thats more like 5 beers in one hour.
Well I still think if you have an average system, it might be necessary to use EQ or bass and treble knobs to compensate, the same way TV's need to be calibrated.
ironically:
A) many if not most records are mixed by someone other than the producer. and the amstering stage has just as much influence on the overall EQ of the record, and the producer is almost NEVER involved in that. producers are basically studio bookers and talent coaches. they paint with a very wide brush. it's other people who are as much or more responsible for an album's sound.
B) many records are mixed on Yamaha NS-10's. Everyone knows these speakers sound like sh!t, by which I mean that they are not pleasing to listen to. Even the mixing engineers know they sound like sh!t. But they are really, really flat, and they are everywhere, and they are what the engineers are used to. They also have basically no bass response whatsoever. so while they are mixing, they have to switch to much more "consumer" sounding systems to check the low end.
C) most records are "demoed" on crappy car stereos. you know, the ones that are all distorted and have the bass and treble hyped up the ass. yeah. when it sounds good on those, they know they have their mix.
so basically, if you want to listen to how they intended it, just set your EP until it sounds like the highs are balanced and not strident, and the lows have lots of punch without blurring the overall clarity. because that's how it sounded when the person in charge said, "yeah, that fvcking rocks man, send it to mastering."
besides, low frequency perception is on a completely different curve from high frequency perception relative to actual sound pressure. what that means is the quieter you listen, the more bass boost you need to make it sound flat. and you have no way of knowing how loud the mix was when it was mixed!
LOL at all the answers here.
A producer will mix so that it sounds good on as wide a range of gear as is possible. The trick with eq is to not put more than + 3 db on any bands as that 3 db increase is a doubling of power to that freq.
Cutting eq is a different story. Cut as much as you need but cheaper eq's may introduce a bit of phase shift, but that isn't as much an issue with todays filters.
To say No eq is needed ignores the acoustic effects of the room and furnishings, but again a little boost goes a long way. The "smiley face" eq is the most common mistake people do when eqing.
The "loudness" control is a bass boost designed to increase apparent loudness at lower sound pressure levels.
For more info on HOW the human ear perceives sound and the various effects of level vs freq read Mr. Fletcher and Mr. Munsons research from the 50's for BELL LABS.
The Fletcher /Munsen curve is the starting point for understanding EQ.
Ya'll got some reading to do.
A producer will mix so that it sounds good on as wide a range of gear as is possible. The trick with eq is to not put more than + 3 db on any bands as that 3 db increase is a doubling of power to that freq.
Cutting eq is a different story. Cut as much as you need but cheaper eq's may introduce a bit of phase shift, but that isn't as much an issue with todays filters.
To say No eq is needed ignores the acoustic effects of the room and furnishings, but again a little boost goes a long way. The "smiley face" eq is the most common mistake people do when eqing.
The "loudness" control is a bass boost designed to increase apparent loudness at lower sound pressure levels.
For more info on HOW the human ear perceives sound and the various effects of level vs freq read Mr. Fletcher and Mr. Munsons research from the 50's for BELL LABS.
The Fletcher /Munsen curve is the starting point for understanding EQ.
Ya'll got some reading to do.
Mabey I have a different view on value priced, well performing speakers than you do.Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: SampSon
Holding a speaker close to your ear and using digital reproduced music won't make the frequency response change at all. That "difference" in sound quality is because the speaker is as close to your eardrum as it can get.Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Huh?
what on earth could you be confused about? Drunk again?
That will give a cheap and very close sound to a very, very expensive speaker/amp combo in terms of accurate sound reproduction.
EQ just ****** around with the sound, why would you want to do that?
not really. the quality of the cone/driver in a decent set of phones is massively higher than most speakers (until you get well, well up the price range), in terms of distortion & response...
Every set of speakers I've owned has had a a better response range than my phones and I'm not spending 25K on my audio.
Even with the tighter response range, having it close to your ear and in a closed environment will make it generally sound better.
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