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What drives the fighters in flip-flops

GrGr

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What drives the fighters in flip-flops

Falluja is not unique. Collective punishment is escalating in Iraq

Haifa Zangana
Wednesday November 17, 2004
The Guardian

In a statement that directly echoed George Bush, Qasim Daoud, Iraq's interim minister of state for national security, told a news conference at the weekend: "Mission accomplished ... Falluja has been liberated". He proudly recited the list of the dead - 1,400 terrorists, foreigners and Saddamists. And what about civilians, the women and children trapped in the fighting zone. Any casualties? He avoided the question.

At the same time, thousands of Iraqis demonstrated in Baghdad, Basra and Heet in support of the people of Falluja. Many were arrested, some were beaten. The US-appointed Allawi regime responded by imposing new curfews. The US military is still struggling to contain a spreading wave of resistance, in Najaf and now Mosul.

Around Falluja, camps have been erected to receive displaced women and children. Men aged 15-50 were not allowed to leave the city, so 150,000 wait in anguish for news of fathers, husbands and sons.

Will they survive the US military's wrath? Many will not. The execution-style killing of the wounded Iraqi inside a mosque by a US marine, captured by NBC television, was one of many, according to an eyewitness interviewed by al-Jazeera television yesterday.

Yet all members of Allawi's regime have greeted the suffering of Iraqi civilians with complete silence. The dignified voice of Firdus al-Abadi, spokeswoman for the Iraqi Red Crescent in Baghdad, has haunted us for days. Appealing for relief supplies, she said simply: "Conditions in Falluja are catastrophic." The Red Crescent suggested yesterday that as many as 800 civilians had died during the bombardment.

The plight of the people of Falluja is not unique. Since the nominal handover of sovereignty on June 30, we have witnessed an escalation of Israeli-style collective punishment of Iraqi cities. Civilian carnage, coupled with enormous damage to homes and infrastructure, has became our daily reality.

In Tall Afar, in the north, US troops cut off water for three days last month and blocked food supplies to 150,000 refugees. Then in Samarra, residents cowered in their homes as tanks and warplanes pounded the city. Bodies were strewn in the streets but could not be collected for fear of American snipers. Of the 130 Iraqis killed, most were civilians. Hospital access was denied to the injured. And Qasim Daoud hailed the massacre as a "very clean" operation.

Every day of occupation brings fresh atrocities. But the architects of that occupation claim that it is Iraqis themselves who are beyond the reach of democracy. They are "militants" and "insurgents", bent on terror ising their own people and destroying hopes of reconstruction. Why can't they get involved in the peaceful democratic political process?

But they did, and they continue to do so. Over the last 19 months there have been protests, appeals, initiatives to set up a reasonable programme for elections, the opening of human rights centres, lecturing at universities, even poetry writing. This torrent of activism is still being practised by a broad variety of political parties, groups and individuals who oppose the foreign occupation. And they have been ignored. Newspapers were closed. Editors were arrested. Demonstrators were shot at, arrested, abused and tortured.

On the fourth day of the ground attack on Falluja, last Friday, joint Shia-Sunni prayers were held in the four mosques in Baghdad, and were massively well attended. Inter-communal prayers were the hallmark of the 1920 revolution, revived early this year by the Iraqi National Foundation Congress, a loose umbrella organisation of academics, cross-sectarian clerics and veteran political leaders. Early on, Allawi set the tone for building democracy in the "sovereign" Iraq by insisting: "We will stand up to destroy the terrorists." This language has become the daily currency of the interim ministers, who like children in a school choir echo their instructor, the US military spokesman.

But time after time, it has been shown to be false. Most fighters in Iraq are Iraqis who are outraged to see their country's resources robbed while they live in slums, drink water mixed with sewage and have no say in the political process. Nineteen months after "liberation" they can see how little the liberators have done to ease their suffering. No wonder an increasing number of Iraqis are either joining or supporting the resistance, realising that, as in the past, they must fight on their own.

The overwhelming popular support for the people of Falluja is a salute to young fighters wearing flip-flops, who carry ancient weapons, and yet continue to resist.


Western governments, led by the US and UK, supported Saddam's regime against the will of the Iraqi people for decades. They are committing a similar crime now.

· Haifa Zangana is an Iraqi-born novelist and former prisoner of the Saddam regime
 
Another ridiculously putrid and slanted article that paint all insurgents as freedom fighters with the full support of the Iraqi people and tries to claim Allawi and his government have absolutely no concern for Iraqs. What a load of crap. :roll:

The Guardian loses credibility more and more every day with their biased garbage.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Another ridiculously putrid and slanted article that paint all insurgents as freedom fighters with the full support of the Iraqi people and tries to claim Allawi and his government have absolutely no concern for Iraqs. What a load of crap. :roll:

The Guardian loses credibility more and more every day with their biased garbage.

Feel free to provide evidence that insurgents don't have support among Iraqis and that they are just terrorists who hate our freedom.
 
LMAO. Why can't you accept the fact that the vast majority of the so-called 'insurgents' are Iraqis? How many of the 'insurgents' in Falluja were foreigners? Fifteen is a number I've seen. Out of the 1,400 Allawi 'insurgents' Allawi claimed have been killed. And even that number (1,400) is a lie. Let's not forget that Allawi also said no civilians were killed. Now that is a totally ridiculous lie even for a US stooge.

 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Another ridiculously putrid and slanted article that paint all insurgents as freedom fighters with the full support of the Iraqi people and tries to claim Allawi and his government have absolutely no concern for Iraqs. What a load of crap. :roll:

The Guardian loses credibility more and more every day with their biased garbage.

Feel free to provide evidence that insurgents don't have support among Iraqis and that they are just terrorists who hate our freedom.
Please feel free to stuff your hyperbole where the sun don't shine.
 
Originally posted by: GrGr
LMAO. Why can't you accept the fact that the vast majority of the so-called 'insurgents' are Iraqis? How many of the 'insurgents' in Falluja were foreigners? Fifteen is a number I've seen. Out of the 1,400 Allawi 'insurgents' Allawi claimed have been killed. And even that number (1,400) is a lie. Let's not forget that Allawi also said no civilians were killed. Now that is a totally ridiculous lie even for a US stooge.
Excuse me, but where did I make a claim in this thread about foreign fighters? You are erecting a strawman.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Please feel free to stuff your hyperbole where the sun don't shine.

I didn't think you'd want to back up your statements... :laugh:
Learn ow to ask the questions properly and within context and I would. As it is you don't seem to have the capacity to do such a thing, so keep on laughing like the snickering little twit you appear to be.

 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Learn ow to ask the questions properly and within context and I would. As it is you don't seem to have the capacity to do such a thing, so keep on laughing like the snickering little twit you appear to be.

The burden is not on me. You challenged the the article and its contents so come up with some evidence to back your statements up. Until then I will assume you don't have the proof to back it up and are just puffing out your chickenhawk feathers to sidestep the real issues. 😉
 
Originally posted by: GrGr
LMAO. Why can't you accept the fact that the vast majority of the so-called 'insurgents' are Iraqis? How many of the 'insurgents' in Falluja were foreigners? Fifteen is a number I've seen. Out of the 1,400 Allawi 'insurgents' Allawi claimed have been killed. And even that number (1,400) is a lie. Let's not forget that Allawi also said no civilians were killed. Now that is a totally ridiculous lie even for a US stooge.

How many of those so-called 'insurgents' are Sunnis that have lost their power base and are possibly going to get reprecussions from the Shites that were oppressed under Saddam.


Why are these insurgents not trying to setup an alternative governement to show that they are sincere in runing the country.

Why are thise insurgents trying to destroy their countries infrastructure.

They are just lawless gangs of thugs taking advantage of the fact that they have weapons from when they were in power.

 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Learn ow to ask the questions properly and within context and I would. As it is you don't seem to have the capacity to do such a thing, so keep on laughing like the snickering little twit you appear to be.

The burden is not on me. You challenged the the article and its contents so come up with some evidence to back your statements up. Until then I will assume you don't have the proof to back it up and are just puffing out your chickenhawk feathers to sidestep the real issues. 😉

The burden is on the article to provide some proof of its claims. It does not do so and neither does it align with polls of Iraqis, the majority of whom do not approve of the violence by insurgents. Feel free to do some research on Iraqi polls regarding this question as well before you ignorantly spout off and challenge me on this issue too.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Learn ow to ask the questions properly and within context and I would. As it is you don't seem to have the capacity to do such a thing, so keep on laughing like the snickering little twit you appear to be.

The burden is not on me. You challenged the the article and its contents so come up with some evidence to back your statements up. Until then I will assume you don't have the proof to back it up and are just puffing out your chickenhawk feathers to sidestep the real issues. 😉

The burden is on the article to provide some proof of its claims. It does not do so and neither does it align with polls of Iraqis, the majority of whom do not approve of the violence by insurgents. Feel free to do some research on Iraqi polls regarding this question as well before you ignorantly spout off and challenge me on this issue too.


Point out one recent poll that contradicts Haifa Zangana's statements. I would be very interested to see a post Falluja poll and what opinion the Iraqi people have of the Allawi government. As far as I can tell they all, more or less, seem to think he is a US puppet. It is a fact that many Iraqis wanted to hold elections last summer but the US did not want to. Neither does it seem the US wants to hold elections in January either. Meanwhile there are signs that the Iraqi resistance is starting to cooperate over tribal and political lines. The longer this situation continues along this track the more professional and determined the restistance will grow and the more outside help it will get.

You can bet your bottom dollar that the Shiites are busy little beavers behind the scenes and are preparing for a prolonged anti-US campaign, should Al-Shistani decide that elections are a futile pipe dream. "Bring 'em on" eh?

Some more articles from the same author:

Bombs will deepen Iraq's nightmare

I, too, was tortured

Iraqis have lived this lie before

And current independent blogs:

Raed blog

Iraqi girl blog

Edit:

TLC: "Excuse me, but where did I make a claim in this thread about foreign fighters? You are erecting a strawman."

GrGr: You did not mention it in this thread, that is correct.
 
Originally posted by: GrGr
But time after time, it has been shown to be false. Most fighters in Iraq are Iraqis who are outraged to see their country's resources robbed while they live in slums, drink water mixed with sewage and have no say in the political process. Nineteen months after "liberation" they can see how little the liberators have done to ease their suffering. No wonder an increasing number of Iraqis are either joining or supporting the resistance, realising that, as in the past, they must fight on their own.

Where was the outrage when Saddam was pocketing billions from robbed resources? And how do the Iraqis expect the country to get rebuilt and move on politically when there are constant car bombs and sabotage taking place? Thier suffering was eased. Many have just decided to support the insurgency because although initially the insurgents were made up of the same people that terrorized the populace under Saddam, now they are okay since they are trying to stick it to the Americans.
 
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