What does today's Democratic party stand for?

[Jhhnn]

Our roads, schools, and public facilities are decaying just fine on their own with your sainted and bloated government workforce; especially in areas where Democrats are in charge.

Public employees are no better or worse than those in the private sector. In a macro sense, both contribute to the economy, keep money flowing.

You obviously can't back up the claim that deterioration of public facilities is worse overall in areas under Democratic leadership, but it's easy to back up the claim that red state welfare amounts to a form of extortion, and a primary source of their governmental incomes.

 

[cybrsage]

and yet, Ayn Rand used Social Security and Medicare in her failing days......

Did she use a service she paid for?

 

[dank69]

Did she use a service she paid for?

Buffett says tax us more while paying minimum amount of tax owed = hypocrisy but Rand says get rid of Medicare after using Medicare = legit. :thumbsup:

 

[Jhhnn]

I did not include it because because Jesus is no longer physically on the Earth, so it is not applicable.

You didn't include it because it changes the meaning of the passage entirely, which doesn't serve your purposes. Which is why you need to keep obfuscating.

 

[cybrsage]

You didn't include it because it changes the meaning of the passage entirely, which doesn't serve your purposes. Which is why you need to keep obfuscating.

Way to ignore an entire cultre so that you can continue to take things out of context. Tell me, do you also ignore western culture and say anyone you meet who sticks our their right hand is trying to attack you instead of trying to shake your hand in greeting? Or do you only ignore Jewish culture in order to create a failed position?

 

[cybrsage]

Buffett says tax us more while paying minimum amount of tax owed = hypocrisy but Rand says get rid of Medicare after using Medicare = legit. :thumbsup:

Odd view you hold. Why do you say one is legit but the other is not? Both are hypocritcal positions to hold.

That said, you did not answer my question.


EDIT: Interestingly enough, if you want Social Security, but do NOT want Medicare, you are out of luck. It is illegal to take SS and not Medicare:

For all of America's cherished belief in choice and freedom, it remains an astonishing fact that the U.S. government forces citizens over the age of 65 into a subpar health plan of its choosing. And so it is with some hope that we greet a new federal lawsuit that aims to allow senior citizens to flee Medicare.
The suit comes courtesy of Kent Masterson Brown, a lawyer who has previously tangled with the government over Medicare benefits. Mr. Brown represents three plaintiffs who are suing the federal government to be allowed to opt out of Medicare without losing their Social Security benefits.
Amazingly, this is not currently allowed. While the Social Security law does not require participants to accept Medicare, and the Medicare law does not require participants to accept Social Security, the Clinton Administration in 1993 tied the programs together. Under that policy, any senior who withdraws from Medicare also loses Social Security benefits.

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB122506801638770679-lMyQjAxMDI4MjI1NzAyNjc4Wj.html

Thanks Pres. Clinton!

 

[cybrsage]

You obviously can't back up the claim that deterioration of public facilities is worse overall in areas under Democratic leadership,

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Have you ever looked at the average inner city (almost exclusively dem controlled for many decades)? You do not have to do it in person (they are also high crime areas, so I recommend against it), you can use pictures. Start with Detroit.

 

[BoberFett]

The Democrats exist to blame Republicans for everything. Without Republicans to blame, the Democrats party would have nothing left.

 

[zsdersw]

The Democrats exist to blame Republicans for everything. Without Republicans to blame, the Democrats party would have nothing left.

True, but so is the opposite:

The Republicans exist to blame Democrats for everything. Without Democrats to blame, the Republican party would have nothing left.

 

[dank69]

True, but so is the opposite:

The Republicans exist to blame Democrats for everything. Without Democrats to blame, the Republican party would have nothing left.

Says the guy asking for no hyperbole.

 

[zsdersw]

Says the guy asking for no hyperbole.

It's not exactly hyperbolic to counteract hyperbole with an equally true opposite. It makes it a wash.

 

[BoberFett]

True, but so is the opposite:

The Republicans exist to blame Democrats for everything. Without Democrats to blame, the Republican party would have nothing left.

Yes, but that was brought up in the other thread. Democrats are the focus of this thread.

Neither have answers. Both parties exist solely as money making machines for themselves and their special interests. Both are as useless to the country as tits on a bull.

 

[sm625]

Just look at posts #5 and #6. (That's as far into this thread as I could stomach at the moment) That is exactly what the Democratic Party stands for: an absolutely meaningless diversion/distraction created by billions in corporate and foundation funding. After a century of this nonsense people are so dumbed down they dont even think to question the design of the two party system. They just fall right into line and play the game, never knowing or caring that they're being played like dupes by these two parties.

 

[dank69]

It's not exactly hyperbolic to counteract hyperbole with an equally true opposite. It makes it a wash.

That is a pretty insane rationalization, sir.

 

[Genx87]

Just look at posts #5 and #6. (That's as far into this thread as I could stomach at the moment) That is exactly what the Democratic Party stands for: an absolutely meaningless diversion/distraction created by billions in corporate and foundation funding. After a century of this nonsense people are so dumbed down they dont even think to question the design of the two party system. They just fall right into line and play the game, never knowing or caring that they're being played like dupes by these two parties.

Pretty much this. Both parties are now so close it is ridculous to claim on major policy they arent the same party. There are still the armies on both sides who are in denial though as evidenced by the two parrots in post #5 and #6.

Obama vs Romney. What major policy do they really disagree on? It is hard for repubs to even use the duhversionary non-issue of abortion with Romney given his record on the subject.

 

[dank69]

Pretty much this. Both parties are now so close it is ridculous to claim on major policy they arent the same party. There are still the armies on both sides who are in denial though as evidenced by the two parrots in post #5 and #6.

Obama vs Romney. What major policy do they really disagree on? It is hard for repubs to even use the duhversionary non-issue of abortion with Romney given his record on the subject.

So Democrats don't claim that spending is they way out of a recession and Republicans don't claim that austerity is the correct path? :hmm:

 

[Moonbeam]

Probably the greatest rationalization any conservative mind can make to defend the insanity of conservative thinking is to convince itself that Democrats are just like Republicans, that the two parties are equivalent in nature. What a crock of horse shit.

Oh look, Martha, see the Democratic party and the Republican party, same thing, because both are parties and a party is a party.

 

[Moonbeam]

Just curious, do you see a paradox in your post? Because you sound pretty emotional.

An ape that throws shit at a crowd gets lots of attention. A conservative ape probably would take that as a sign of justification. Look at those stupid humans, getting all worked up over being buried in shit. Shit is organic fertilizer.

 

[zsdersw]

That is a pretty insane rationalization, sir.

No it isn't.

 

[MovingTarget]

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Have you ever looked at the average inner city (almost exclusively dem controlled for many decades)? You do not have to do it in person (they are also high crime areas, so I recommend against it), you can use pictures. Start with Detroit.

Ever hear of "white flight" or the decline of manufacturing due to outsourcing? How can you expect inner cities to maintain themselves with the loss of their tax revenues?

On the other end, look at what exclusive Republican control will get you. My state has a largely regressive income tax, some of the lowest property taxes in the nation, a Republican governor, an exclusively Republican supreme court, and a legislature with a Republican super-majority in both houses. Must be a conservative paradise, right?

 

[dank69]

No it isn't.

My hyperbole isn't hyperbole because it's counteracting hyperbole.
My A isn't A because it's counteracting A.
That boxer isn't a boxer because he is fighting another boxer.

 

[Genx87]

So Democrats don't claim that spending is they way out of a recession and Republicans don't claim that austerity is the correct path? :hmm:

And yet austerity hasnt been used at all by the republicans in crafting legislation. Nor when they owned all branches of govt was the govt shrunk. Quite the opposite in fact. :hmm:

 

[zsdersw]

My hyperbole isn't hyperbole because it's counteracting hyperbole.
My A isn't A because it's counteracting A.
That boxer isn't a boxer because he is fighting another boxer.

Analogy fail.

My hyperbole neutralized his. The net effect is a wash.

It would have otherwise been exclusively anti-Democrat hyperbole.

 

[dank69]

Analogy fail.

My hyperbole neutralized his. The net effect is a wash.

It would have otherwise been exclusively anti-Democrat hyperbole.

That would only be possible if you didn't believe either statement and were just being sarcastic in an effort to show him the error of his ways. However, since you wrote 'true' in your version, you were agreeing with his version and then said that your version is equally true.

 

[zsdersw]

That would only be possible if you didn't believe either statement and were just being sarcastic in an effort to show him the error of his ways. However, since you wrote 'true' in your version, you were agreeing with his version and then said that your version is equally true.

Yes... because they are. And when both polar-opposite hyperbolic remarks are true the end result is that there is no net hyperbole.