What does Socket M2 provide? Only DDR2?

[One43637]

OP: from what i read i, personally, don't feel that i can wait for AM2 parts that will be at reasonable prices so i decided to go with S939.

Originally posted by: Broly
I have manners, I have no respect for people that cannot use a search button for a topic that has been well covered with the facts given to us.

Posts per month is nothing, but posts like that add to his post count, should be deducted if you ask me.

And I've been very active, trying to helpe as many people as I can clever.

nice name by the way, Good old Clever Hans.

" WTF
Where is my props for my EXOS 2 from Koolance that was stock fitted in my LIAN LI V1000

F this guy i'll wtf pwn him"

" nevermind
I win,
Because I have dual 7800 GTX 512's in SLI
and he wasted money on SCSI hehe!
Plus I got a fatality
Danger den SLI Watercooled blocks on my GPU'S
A danger den PURE SILVER Heatsink for my CPU

Welcome to PvP son. "

wow... just wow.

 

[Cooler]

on road map top m2 chip will be dual core 3.0ghz FX-64 .

 

[Broly]

wow this guy registers on a board tries to flex his epeen with his ghetto watercooling, you think i'm gonna sit there?

oh and calling me 13 doesn't help since I'm 19, and you ati people have a tendency to bite the hand that feeds you

nvidia started gaming,and they are dominating now, but there are so many disloyal people to the gaming market they feel that ATI is better

when all ati is, is a sheer fluke with a horrible marketing strat.

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: Broly
wow this guy registers on a board tries to flex his epeen with his ghetto watercooling, you think i'm gonna sit there?

oh and calling me 13 doesn't help since I'm 19, and you ati people have a tendency to bite the hand that feeds you

nvidia started gaming,and they are dominating now, but there are so many disloyal people to the gaming market they feel that ATI is better

when all ati is, is a sheer fluke with a horrible marketing strat.

This is worse then video fourms you need to stop this !

 

[SnoMunke]

While Brody's comments were a bit harsh, I do agree with him in principle... alot of people post stuff here without doing a proper search of the forums or a search on Google....and it really clutters up the forums. I did a search of the Anandtech Forums for AM2 and M2 and came back with 2 full pages of stuff to read. While the Mod should have slammed Brody for his comments (justified or not), the OP should be slammed for asking a question that has already be asked and answers hundreds of time within the forums. Now....for my morning coffee...

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: Broly
wow this guy registers on a board tries to flex his epeen with his ghetto watercooling, you think i'm gonna sit there?

oh and calling me 13 doesn't help since I'm 19, and you ati people have a tendency to bite the hand that feeds you

nvidia started gaming,and they are dominating now, but there are so many disloyal people to the gaming market they feel that ATI is better

when all ati is, is a sheer fluke with a horrible marketing strat.

Im 13, and I even know the rules better! Well back on topic, sM2 is just DDR2, promises of quad core, and a hope of 3ghz.

 

[Broly]

Thanks Snomunke.

 

[SonicIce]

I havent seen any conrete details yet. I dont see why they couldn't get 3ghz and quad-core on 939. We all need new motherboards and ram

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: SonicIce
I havent seen any conrete details yet. I dont see why they couldn't get 3ghz and quad-core on 939. We all need new motherboards and ram

Right now AMD is channeling their resources into sM2. Last processer for s939 was the FX-60. Sorry man

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: SnoMunke
While Brody's comments were a bit harsh, I do agree with him in principle... alot of people post stuff here without doing a proper search of the forums or a search on Google....and it really clutters up the forums. I did a search of the Anandtech Forums for AM2 and M2 and came back with 2 full pages of stuff to read. While the Mod should have slammed Brody for his comments (justified or not), the OP should be slammed for asking a question that has already be asked and answers hundreds of time within the forums. Now....for my morning coffee...

I feel that this is a stupid stipulation that has persisted in many forums. Often the answer is buried many pages into an obscure thread with a totally different or even non-descriptive topic (Help me!!!) where people were actually discovering it for the first time. Sometimes it's buried in a thread full of comprehensive information that the person ane future persons have no interest in. What harm does another thread with the question and answer right out in the open do? It could only help those with the same problem who DO search! I'd love to see my question answered competantly several times in the search results.

With all the seemingly endless "Rate my system" and "Help me choose" threads I already ignore, what's so hard about ignoring a frequently answered thread topic? Other forums have regulars constantly on the prowl just ready to scream "Repost!" or "Search motherfvcker; do you use it?". How does that contribute? All you do is assert yourself over the person making the post and how does that contribute anything? Anandtech is different and I like it for being different.

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: SonicIce
I havent seen any conrete details yet. I dont see why they couldn't get 3ghz and quad-core on 939. We all need new motherboards and ram

Right now AMD is channeling their resources into sM2. Last processer for s939 was the FX-60. Sorry man

Not last; just highest-performing. ie, you will see more Semprons.

 

[Nocturnal]

What is the point of a forum if everyone just says REPOST/SEARCH KEKEKE. Nobody would ever visit if there was just a bunch of stickies that we could read. Grow up and don't read the thread if you don't want to read it.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: SnoMunke
While Brody's comments were a bit harsh, I do agree with him in principle... alot of people post stuff here without doing a proper search of the forums or a search on Google....and it really clutters up the forums. I did a search of the Anandtech Forums for AM2 and M2 and came back with 2 full pages of stuff to read. While the Mod should have slammed Brody for his comments (justified or not), the OP should be slammed for asking a question that has already be asked and answers hundreds of time within the forums. Now....for my morning coffee...

I feel that this is a stupid stipulation that has persisted in many forums. Often the answer is buried many pages into an obscure thread with a totally different or even non-descriptive topic (Help me!!!) where people were actually discovering it for the first time. Sometimes it's buried in a thread full of comprehensive information that the person ane future persons have no interest in. What harm does another thread with the question and answer right out in the open do? It could only help those with the same problem who DO search! I'd love to see my question answered competantly several times in the search results.

On the flip side of this, posting redundant threads still wastes bandwidth, and furthermore wastes the time of helpful people who could be assisting someone who has a real problem. Searching before posting a question on a public forum is just common courtesy. AT is not a personal research service.

Personally, I also think it's more helpful for someone in the long run if they learn to solve their own problems rather than asking for hand-holding every time they run into something they don't understand. That said, unless a question is either incredibly easy to find the answer to, or incredibly vague, I try to answer it as well as telling them to search, for precisely the reason you outlined above.

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: SnoMunke
While Brody's comments were a bit harsh, I do agree with him in principle... alot of people post stuff here without doing a proper search of the forums or a search on Google....and it really clutters up the forums. I did a search of the Anandtech Forums for AM2 and M2 and came back with 2 full pages of stuff to read. While the Mod should have slammed Brody for his comments (justified or not), the OP should be slammed for asking a question that has already be asked and answers hundreds of time within the forums. Now....for my morning coffee...

I feel that this is a stupid stipulation that has persisted in many forums. Often the answer is buried many pages into an obscure thread with a totally different or even non-descriptive topic (Help me!!!) where people were actually discovering it for the first time. Sometimes it's buried in a thread full of comprehensive information that the person ane future persons have no interest in. What harm does another thread with the question and answer right out in the open do? It could only help those with the same problem who DO search! I'd love to see my question answered competantly several times in the search results.

On the flip side of this, posting redundant threads still wastes bandwidth, and furthermore wastes the time of helpful people who could be assisting someone who has a real problem. Searching before posting a question on a public forum is just common courtesy. AT is not a personal research service.

Personally, I also think it's more helpful for someone in the long run if they learn to solve their own problems rather than asking for hand-holding every time they run into something they don't understand. That said, unless a question is either incredibly easy to find the answer to, or incredibly vague, I try to answer it as well as telling them to search, for precisely the reason you outlined above.

I still don't agree. That's like saying that you can't have a conversation just because it has been discussed by other people before.

A forum is not strictly for questions and answers. Some forums are exclusively for chat/discussion threads! A General Hardware topic is not more suitable as an Off Topic topic just because it doesn't fit the strict Question / Answer format.

"Does the new Socket M2 provide any additional benefits except for DD2 RAM? Is it even worth waiting for? With the delay, it seems like it won't be." Discuss.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: km23
Does the new Socket M2 provide any additional benefits except for DD2 RAM? Is it even worth waiting for? With the delay, it seems like it won't be.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled program...

To answer your questions...
1. We don't yet know all of the things that Revision F (AM2) will bring. Definately DDR2, but it will most likely also bring higher clockspeeds (from the new strained silicon process), better overclocking, Virtualization, and DRM.
2. Turion X2 will be released at the same time
3. The only rumour of any delay is from the Inquirer, and it seems quite vague. If there's anything to it, it probably just means that Opterons won't be AM2 till Sept, along with the release of the Socket F Opterons. Desktop and mobile chips are still on schedule for an April release.

 

[rise]

i think i'll skip the m2

 

[SnoMunke]

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: SnoMunke
While Brody's comments were a bit harsh, I do agree with him in principle... alot of people post stuff here without doing a proper search of the forums or a search on Google....and it really clutters up the forums. I did a search of the Anandtech Forums for AM2 and M2 and came back with 2 full pages of stuff to read. While the Mod should have slammed Brody for his comments (justified or not), the OP should be slammed for asking a question that has already be asked and answers hundreds of time within the forums. Now....for my morning coffee...

I feel that this is a stupid stipulation that has persisted in many forums. Often the answer is buried many pages into an obscure thread with a totally different or even non-descriptive topic (Help me!!!) where people were actually discovering it for the first time. Sometimes it's buried in a thread full of comprehensive information that the person ane future persons have no interest in. What harm does another thread with the question and answer right out in the open do? It could only help those with the same problem who DO search! I'd love to see my question answered competantly several times in the search results.

On the flip side of this, posting redundant threads still wastes bandwidth, and furthermore wastes the time of helpful people who could be assisting someone who has a real problem. Searching before posting a question on a public forum is just common courtesy. AT is not a personal research service.

Personally, I also think it's more helpful for someone in the long run if they learn to solve their own problems rather than asking for hand-holding every time they run into something they don't understand. That said, unless a question is either incredibly easy to find the answer to, or incredibly vague, I try to answer it as well as telling them to search, for precisely the reason you outlined above.

I still don't agree. That's like saying that you can't have a conversation just because it has been discussed by other people before.

A forum is not strictly for questions and answers. Some forums are exclusively for chat/discussion threads! A General Hardware topic is not more suitable as an Off Topic topic just because it doesn't fit the strict Question / Answer format.

"Does the new Socket M2 provide any additional benefits except for DD2 RAM? Is it even worth waiting for? With the delay, it seems like it won't be." Discuss.

CZroe,

The question posed by the OP had already been asked...answered...discussed...battered...deep-fried...and eaten. There is a REASON why there is a search function built in the forums...the OP could have had his/her question answer in the seconds it takes for server to spit out search hits. BUT NOOOO...we need a whole new topic...:roll:

Now, I can understand if the OP was asking a specific question concerning the AM2 that wasn't answered already (in this forum, on the Internet, in this particular section of the Milky Way galaxy) and posted a new question, but as someone who comes to Anandtech 10+ times a day to answer questions, post questions, and LEARN, I find it extremely irritating when I see someone who has posted a question which has been answered a few million times over already.

I think stickies SHOULD be used more often... :thumbsup:

Should I begin to complain how the OP not only posted a many times duplicated topic, but also did it in the wrong forum? :| I digress...

Now...was I supposed to take that pink pill this morning? or evening?

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: CZroe
I still don't agree. That's like saying that you can't have a conversation just because it has been discussed by other people before.

That's not really what I said.

A forum is not strictly for questions and answers. Some forums are exclusively for chat/discussion threads! A General Hardware topic is not more suitable as an Off Topic topic just because it doesn't fit the strict Question / Answer format.

Uh... did I say it was? My concern is merely with questions that have been asked and answered already. If someone has an interesting topic they want to discuss related to hardware, they should go right ahead (unless it has also been beaten to death, such as discussions about pagefile placement or transferring installations to new motherboards in the OS forum).

Basically, IMO, people should attempt to find an answer on their own before posting to a public forum asking for one, and you should look for recent discussions on a topic before trying to start a new conversation on it. If you disagree with these... then, basically, we'll have to agree to disagree.

On this particular topic: Socket M2/AM2 has been discussed several times in the last few months; I do not feel there is anything that can really be added to the discussion at this point until there is more official information available.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: CZroe
I still don't agree. That's like saying that you can't have a conversation just because it has been discussed by other people before.

That's not really what I said.

A forum is not strictly for questions and answers. Some forums are exclusively for chat/discussion threads! A General Hardware topic is not more suitable as an Off Topic topic just because it doesn't fit the strict Question / Answer format.

Uh... did I say it was? My concern is merely with questions that have been asked and answered already. If someone has an interesting topic they want to discuss related to hardware, they should go right ahead (unless it has also been beaten to death, such as discussions about pagefile placement or transferring installations to new motherboards in the OS forum).

Basically, IMO, people should attempt to find an answer on their own before posting to a public forum asking for one, and you should look for recent discussions on a topic before trying to start a new conversation on it. If you disagree with these... then, basically, we'll have to agree to disagree.

On this particular topic: Socket M2/AM2 has been discussed several times in the last few months; I do not feel there is anything that can really be added to the discussion at this point until there is more official information available.

Well unless you run this forum aka you're Anand himself, then I don't see where you get off recommending what people do or don't do on this particular or other forums. If these people were "wasting bandwidth" as a few of you say, then I think Anand or one of the moderators could weigh in and say hey guys, we need to start using the search feature etc a little more. I don't think that's happend so I don't see why you care. Just don't read the thread if you don't want to read it. If you feel it's been asked before, don't read it, don't even bother. It is not that hard to NOT click on a link, is it?

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Well unless you run this forum aka you're Anand himself, then I don't see where you get off recommending what people do or don't do on this particular or other forums. If these people were "wasting bandwidth" as a few of you say, then I think Anand or one of the moderators could weigh in and say hey guys, we need to start using the search feature etc a little more. I don't think that's happend so I don't see why you care. Just don't read the thread if you don't want to read it. If you feel it's been asked before, don't read it, don't even bother. It is not that hard to NOT click on a link, is it?

As a member of this forum, I have as much right to say what I want as anyone else does. I've outlined my feelings on this topic in the thread, and if you disagree, that's fine. I'm not insisting that people post in a particular way, nor could I enforce that even if I wanted to (since, as you have astutely noted, I do not run this site).

If you don't like it, feel free to ignore my posts. Posting holier-than-thou replies is not particularly helpful.

 

[RussianSensation]

We need 65nm on AM2 Plus 2 gigs of DDR2 are cheaper than DDR1 already. Die AGP, Die! hehhee

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
We need 65nm on AM2 Plus 2 gigs of DDR2 are cheaper than DDR1 already. Die AGP, Die! hehhee

I agree with the need for 65nm, but the first AM2 chips will still be 90nm.

And DDR2 will never be cheaper than DDR1 when you already own the DDR1.

AGP is already dead.

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Well unless you run this forum aka you're Anand himself, then I don't see where you get off recommending what people do or don't do on this particular or other forums. If these people were "wasting bandwidth" as a few of you say, then I think Anand or one of the moderators could weigh in and say hey guys, we need to start using the search feature etc a little more. I don't think that's happend so I don't see why you care. Just don't read the thread if you don't want to read it. If you feel it's been asked before, don't read it, don't even bother. It is not that hard to NOT click on a link, is it?

As a member of this forum, I have as much right to say what I want as anyone else does. I've outlined my feelings on this topic in the thread, and if you disagree, that's fine. I'm not insisting that people post in a particular way, nor could I enforce that even if I wanted to (since, as you have astutely noted, I do not run this site).

If you don't like it, feel free to ignore my posts. Posting holier-than-thou replies is not particularly helpful.

While I agree with CZroe and Nocturnal, I've always appreciated the way you post your feelings about this Matthias. I know I've read many posts where you mention that people should use the search, but here is the answer, or my opinoin, etc.

It's the "search Nazi's" and general asses like Broly has been in this thread that really get people annoyed. One of the best things about AT is the general lack of these people that seem to run rampant at other boards, no matter the subject.

 

[fire400]

Originally posted by: Ike0069

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
We need 65nm on AM2 Plus 2 gigs of DDR2 are cheaper than DDR1 already. Die AGP, Die! hehhee

I agree with the need for 65nm, but the first AM2 chips will still be 90nm.

And DDR2 will never be cheaper than DDR1 when you already own the DDR1.

AGP is already dead.

A few things that don't make sense here, let's look at something shall we?

DDR2 can be cheaper than DD1. We are looking at Corsairs high end XMS DDR1 sticks with 2-2-2-5 which are much more expensive than the lowest priced DDR2 sticks.

AGP is not dead. Obviously boards with AGP slots are still being sold, and some for much higher prices than what pci-e boards are priced. An x800 agp card can handle modern games very well. and you're telling me agp is dead? hell no

65nm vs 90nm will still be the same if the architecture isn't improved, just a migration for something smaller wouldn't make any sense. not like it really matters when you think about what cpu's are offered at the level of speed they can acheive in everyday applications.

 

[Pyrokinetic]

And now time to waste more bandwidth:

I think more bandwidth is wasted arguing over redundant questions than the actual redundant questions themselves. Secondly, noobness on other people's part is NO EXCUSE for rudeness or name calling ... not ever. If you think a question is stupid, do not reply. I for one do not think that the original question was stupid or a waste of my time. So to those like Broly, please cut out that crap because I do not think like you do, and I don't need you trying to respond for the rest of the members here.

Now for the question:

I am planning my next project for this summer or fall around the new socket. Besides DDR2, it will allow for future 65nm chips and quad-core architecture. I really would like to check out a 2nd-gen Crossfire board with the new socket and DDR2 inplemented by DFI. Would be interesting comparing it to their current Crossfire board.

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: fire400

Originally posted by: Ike0069

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
We need 65nm on AM2 Plus 2 gigs of DDR2 are cheaper than DDR1 already. Die AGP, Die! hehhee

I agree with the need for 65nm, but the first AM2 chips will still be 90nm.

And DDR2 will never be cheaper than DDR1 when you already own the DDR1.

AGP is already dead.

A few things that don't make sense here, let's look at something shall we?

DDR2 can be cheaper than DD1. We are looking at Corsairs high end XMS DDR1 sticks with 2-2-2-5 which are much more expensive than the lowest priced DDR2 sticks.

AGP is not dead. Obviously boards with AGP slots are still being sold, and some for much higher prices than what pci-e boards are priced. An x800 agp card can handle modern games very well. and you're telling me agp is dead? hell no

65nm vs 90nm will still be the same if the architecture isn't improved, just a migration for something smaller wouldn't make any sense. not like it really matters when you think about what cpu's are offered at the level of speed they can acheive in everyday applications.

First, DDR2 is already cheaper than the same type DDR (i.e. Corsair VS 2x1GB DDR2 PC533@$160 < Corsair VS 2x1GB DDR PC400@$163.50).

So the point is when people are upgrading from their S939 system and already have DDR RAM, you can save $160 by staying with S939 (even more if keeping your same curent MB). That's money that can go towards a better CPU or a better VC. SO I'm not sure what you are tyring to say here.

As for AGP, of course you can still buy AGP cards, but you can also still buy a socket-A sytem. "Dead" in this sense just means that manufacturers are no longer producing new AGP cards. At least that's what I mean by "dead".

I too agree that a simple switch to 65nm won't really mean anything without a better design. But AMD made huge improvements going from 130nm to 90nm, and I expect similar results when they do go to 65nm. For instance my Newcastle 3800+ (2.4GHZ) only OC's to about 2.5GHz, and runs nearly 10C hotter than my Opty 146 (2.0GHz) OC'd to 2.7GHz. Not to mention the fact that AMD has continume to improve the on-die memory controller with each core revision.

It just seems to me that AMD should wait on introducing a new socket until 65nm is ready for production. That alone could be a reason to upgrade.