Before I begin school, to give me something to start with, some of you mentioned getting a good book on the subject. It seems there are several, any suggestions which are good?
Read his message, he said along the lines of a white hat; a white hat is more generally a security consultant.
That's nonsense. Is a vocational programmer less fervent than an avocational one? Of course not. It might be the case, but they're not exclusive. Many of the well-known consultants operating today received their notoriety from what they had done in an avocational capacity. I started doing what I do now for fun when I was young, but that doesn't mean anyone who omits the segue from avocation to vocation is any less able. In a lot of cases this is true, but that's the limit of the person only.
alkemyst
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Seems this a defensive response. I also advocated learning and reading all you can....classes also would help, but I have only been slowed down by classes. A classroom is only useful to me if it gives me access to tools that I could not or would not be able to obtain myself reasonably.
I will say 100% if you only do the security portion as your 9-5 job you are merely regurgitating what you learned up to that point and only handling the day to day common problems. It's the rare situations that people that sit around and practice all the time trying to compromise their own security measures that are the best. This is just from a security standpoint....same thing with OS experts, or code snippets, or virii builders....
Can someone take a certification program and do ok? Sure....I wouldn't want him defending anything but a low security setup though.
Take linux admins that run Windows at home...I have met alot, they carry their How To Do Linux books around though....can they solve the problems, yeah....sometimes they have to look it up and that takes time. My brother started using UNIX/Linux exclusively in 1992 or so, maybe even a little earlier. He is part of the higher level Open Source and Beta Testing circle, he is also part of many networking companies initial rollouts, as well as editing consultant to many books. He has no college save a few years, and a stint in the military....he is paid major money as a Chief Technical Officer for a large private ISP. He also does many side jobs in security and hack prevention. He obtained his CCIE + sub certs.
When we were younger during our 'real' hacking days, we'd know about exploits and various problems before anyone else because we were the ones finding them....we'd post bug-reports / security issues and soon the 'kiddies' would read and test the discoveries. Once a business got hit (we would warn businesses we had interests in, but you can't tell everyone) then the Admins would start searching for what the problem is and then what the solution is once they figured out the problem.
A hacker can be a formally trained individual, there are PhD and MD hackers, there are older business men, if you want to be in security you really have to live it to be the best.....if you want to be a 9-5 average joe (more than likely paid very well), take classes or self study: Networking, the OS you want to support, the applications you want to support, figure out the rest you need from there.....if a new browser gets rolled out, start searching for security issues, a new patch the same, etc or you can just install and wait and see.
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Queasy
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According to the administration at Richland Hills Middle School in Richland Hills, Texas, you just need to be able to use NetSend to be a hacker.
halik
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pick up a white hat and "becoming a hacker for dummies" at barnes and nobel.
Actually i think theres a deal on the combo right now... check out hot deals
As for the serious answer:
theres nothing like that to be learned. As you get proficient with networking / tcp stack / programing / unix and all the deamons / open source / etc you'll realize you can find ways to get in.
<- showed up for an internship interview with the root password for their site's NES server
Actually i think theres a deal on the combo right now... check out hot deals
As for the serious answer:
theres nothing like that to be learned. As you get proficient with networking / tcp stack / programing / unix and all the deamons / open source / etc you'll realize you can find ways to get in.
<- showed up for an internship interview with the root password for their site's NES server
serious answer: one thing: persistence. only if you're annoyingly persistant enough can you be a hacker
It requires a certain state of mind to find new vulnerabilities. If you just want to check for known ones just log on to AOL and ask one of the scriptkiddies there for lessons.
GTaudiophile
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Affirmative. Oh and if you want people to think you are old school, you need some of those thick, black rimmed glasses... and a thinning hairline.
DT4K
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I had to restart our development sql server and didn't have permission to do it in Enterprise Manager.
But I figured out how to do it anyway by writing a batch file to stop and start the service, putting it on a file share on the machine, and using xp_cmdshell from Query Analyzer to execute it.
Woohoo, I'm a hacker.
I'm just kidding of course, and that's obviously something I was able to figure out pretty easily.
But it is that kind of stuff that makes you a hacker.
Basically trying to figure out how to get into things you aren't supposed to be able to get into.
Most "hackers" now are just using available tools to look for vulnerabilities rather than figuring out on their own how to get past security.
I did tell our dba afterwards by the way.
But I figured out how to do it anyway by writing a batch file to stop and start the service, putting it on a file share on the machine, and using xp_cmdshell from Query Analyzer to execute it.
Woohoo, I'm a hacker.
I'm just kidding of course, and that's obviously something I was able to figure out pretty easily.
But it is that kind of stuff that makes you a hacker.
Basically trying to figure out how to get into things you aren't supposed to be able to get into.
Most "hackers" now are just using available tools to look for vulnerabilities rather than figuring out on their own how to get past security.
I did tell our dba afterwards by the way.
Yeah, I think my main interest might be in Information systems security or somethign like that. The white hat hacker just sounds cool, like something I would enjoy doing. But I guess I should probablly get my degree first.
SO what about Linux. It has a close relation to unix, right? So it seems that would be a good OS to learn since I will likely have to know how to operate unix.
SO what about Linux. It has a close relation to unix, right? So it seems that would be a good OS to learn since I will likely have to know how to operate unix.
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