Question What does it mean, when the *lowest* CPU in your (consumer/mainstream) lineup is $300+? Yes, looking at you AM5. But this is really a larger question.

[VirtualLarry]

What if Intel, in pursuit of "the fastest consumer desktop CPU", stopped selling their designed-for-laptop "desktop" CPUs, and only started selling their HEDT line for consumer desktops, starting at $500 for an 8-core desktop CPU?

Where does this arm-race end?

I mean, I get it, R&D is expensive, and gamers dominate the DIY Desktop PC market, and surveys show that they often purchase towards the top-end chip, but is Intel 12th-Gen going to be "the last" generation of consumer CPUs available around the $100-110 price-point? (Speaking of the 12100F here.)

AMD's 4100 is no-where to be found.

Is this the beginning of the end for "cheap chips for all"?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The real winners were people who DIDN'T wait and used their old Zen CPUs blissfully ignorantly, until they found out that their mobo now supported Zen 3, upgraded to it and now they owe AMD a huge debt of gratitude for the amazing drop-in upgrade in performance.

It's a really bad talking point. If it was an issue that was worth a crap, AMD would not be bodying Intel in the retail market. Remember in the old days how you could get a socket upgrade kit to put a new CPU in your old board? Intel should look into that.

 

[Kaluan]

It's my opinion that it took 540 days for amd to support zen 3 on my b350 (or any b350 for that matter)? Is it my opinion that raptor lake will be supported day 1 on z690?

Uhm...WHAT?

And how long did it take for your B360 to support Alder Lake?

...oh wait

It's been known ever since the Gigabyte leak that AMD has taken tremendous steps so that AM5 will not face the same early adopter long term support woes. But eh, what do I know.

So weird to see Intel people die on this hill. It's like there's zero self-reflection, all projection.


Anyway, saying AMD has no budget buyer market plans is like saying people who buy 12400/F, pair it with DDR5. For the Nth time, AM4 is a thing, hell, it will likely still be a thing even after Socket 1700 isn't anymore.

People who expect 13400/F to be some sort of Intel value slam dunk are also funny. For starters, It will be more expensive than 12400/F, second it won't be anywhere as fast as 12600K (just look at the clocks and TDP), or 7600X for that matter and third, it's still uncertain if it will be based on Raptor Lake or Alder Lake silicon.

But that being said, I hope the rumors of Ryzen 5 7600 will materialize by H2 2023, when priceparity between DDR4 and DDR5 is speculated to be reached. That and/or price cuts on 7600X/7700X by then, of course, which I think AMD definitely has some legroom with.

 

[FangBLade]

Despite Benching huge effort in every IT forum to present AMD in a bad light, customers still buy AMD, i guess he should work harder, or it is our fault? Same situation will be with AM5, maybe he should hire more people.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Despite Benching huge effort in every IT forum to present AMD in a bad light, customers still buy AMD, i guess he should work harder, or it is our fault? Same situation will be with AM5, maybe he should hire more people.

No one but us old folks read forums. And the kids on Reddit and Youtube can't read.

 

[FangBLade]

No one but us old folks read forums. And the kids on Reddit and Youtube can't read.

You just gave Benching the best advice, to make a youtube channel called: Dirty AMD, dark side of Lisa Su, and every video will spit on AMD and praise Intel and Pat Gelsinger, youtube is a place that young and old people visit and understand .

 

[Just Benching]

Despite Benching huge effort in every IT forum to present AMD in a bad light, customers still buy AMD, i guess he should work harder, or it is our fault? Same situation will be with AM5, maybe he should hire more people.

Huge effort? You are the one getting banned from every forum for insane pro amd rhetoric. Ive even seen you spamming wccftech and similar sites calling people who buy intel idiots and similar stuff. Who are you trying to fool buddy...

 

[Insert_Nickname]

By all rights the i3 should be selling much higher. Besides Spiderman with raytracing, I don't think there is a game it can't handle perfectly fine. And when buying a $100 CPU I don't think raytracing is a priority for the build.

To paraphrase a quote; "It can do raytracing. Just not very fast..."

Zen 3 is still a pretty potent arch and will remain useful for the next two years for many people around the world. Maybe longer. I'm still on Sandy, Ivy, Haswell and Broadwell on different PCs!

Only 2 years? I have a feeling Zen3 is the 20's version of Sandy Bridge. I give it 10 years for casual use.

 

[FangBLade]

Huge effort? You are the one getting banned from every forum for insane pro amd rhetoric. Ive even seen you spamming wccftech and similar sites calling people who buy intel idiots and similar stuff. Who are you trying to fool buddy...

I need to correct you, i wasn't banned, i asked them to delete my account, you made a huge mess there so i dind't want to participate in that forum anymore, but i warned anandtech admins about you and you won't make that mess again here. I don't know what you see on wccftech, i don't call people idiots, light trolling yes, idiots not, you spend too much time on wccftech, find a girlfriend, grow up.

 

[Just Benching]

I need to correct you, i wasn't banned, i asked them to delete my account, you made a huge mess there so i dind't want to participate in that forum anymore, but i warned admins about you and you won't make that mess again here.

You did get banned, and you do frequent wccftech.com calling people with intel idiots. Also you did say you are getting your account deleted here a couple of hours ago yet here you are.

If i made a huge mess, why are you the one thats banned for trolling and toxic pro amd rhetoric (moderators words, not mine). Come on, grow up, don't make me ignore you

 

[FangBLade]

You did get banned, and you do frequent wccftech.com calling people with intel idiots. Also you did say you are getting your account deleted here a couple of hours ago yet here you are.

If i made a huge mess, why are you the one thats banned for trolling and toxic pro amd rhetoric (moderators words, not mine). Come on, grow up, don't make me ignore you

I ask them to delete my account, and the only way is sending mail directly to overclocks.co.uk, and before that they will ban my account, after that delete, so that's my request, don't lie to people here like in the previous forums, i dind't say i will delete account here, no reason, you are in control here, i said i delete account on previous forum because of a mess you and your fellows made, but i made little efford to inform admins about you and your tactic, and you won't repeat that, if you think you can, try it please, make my day.

 

[Just Benching]

Yeah yeah, whatever, we both know what happened. Latest post from wccftech

"only idiots will buy craptorlake"

Funny thing is, I don't even believe you are on the amd payroll. You are doing this for free. Lol

 

[Just Benching]

Double

 

[FangBLade]

Funny thing is, I don't even believe you are on the amd payroll. You are doing this for free. Lol

Lets not get too far into offtopic teritory, as i said, you won't make a mess here, this forum is relatively good, no hardcore trolling, healthy discussion, don't try to poison this forum, go there if you can't control yourself, oh i forgot, they banned you from Zen 4 topic.

 

[mikeymikec]

Must be a region thing. In stock, and available for immediate dispatch:

https://www.proshop.dk/CPU/AMD-Ryze...-GHz-AMD-AM4-AMD-Boxed-PIB-med-koeler/3056695

Ditto UK: https://www.cclonline.com/100-100000510box-amd-ryzen-3-4100-3-8ghz-quad-core-am4-cpu/

Curiously CCL also has the 3200G in stock again for possibly the first time in over two years.

 

[Just Benching]

Lets not get too far into offtopic teritory, as i said, you won't make a mess here, this forum is relatively good, no hardcore trolling, healthy discussion, don't try to poison this forum, go there if you can't control yourself, oh i forgot, they banned you from Zen 4 topic.

I can see from your post history, every single one of your posts is you [redacted] posting on intel. Every single one 🤣🤣

And no, i wasnt banned from anything, but you are. For toxic pro amd rhetoric according to the mods 😂


For the second time within 24 hours - Profanity is not allowed in the tech forums.

AT Mod Usandthem

 

[coercitiv]

Market inertia? Shows how difficult it is to change entrenched beliefs/narratives

Intel is also paying the bill for a number of mistakes in their recent history. Ever since first Zen hit the market, they lost mind share in favor of AMD, slowly but steadily. Zen 3 was a pivotal moment: as AMD made it's claim of having the best product on the market, Intel responded with Rocket Lake... essentially reinforcing the idea that AMD won in the eyes of the average consumer.

Alder Lake launch was also littered with mistakes, most at marketing/planning level:

• They linked their first good product in years to... the freaking Windows 11 launch. This alone jinxed their lineup in more ways than one.
• The product selling proposition was split between E cores and P cores, with the accent on the novel E cores. This also backfired as (average) consumers had trouble understanding the message, and got even more confused when E cores were proven to be A) not used in gaming B) absent from the value SKUs. To add insult to injury, hyping up E cores hurt the P cores, they were seen as lacking something.
• New socket required new coolers, early mobos were very expensive, and the combined DDR4/DDR5 support added more issues for the value oriented consumer. Normally a new cooler spec shouldn't be much of a logistical problem, but 9 months ago logistics were a nightmare for many companies, big and small. The DDR4/DDR5 support was also apparently a good thing, except the launch mix favored DDR5 models.... until mobo makers realized people needed DDR4 models instead. It took a while for the ratio to switch.

By the time the great value parts hit the market, the general public's impression had already been formed: 12th gen platform was complicated and expensive. Meanwhile AMD managed to Osborne the heck out of Intel by waving the V-cache tech in front of everybody, and subsequently lowering prices on their vanilla Zen 3.

 

[FangBLade]

I can see from your post history, every single one of your posts is you posting on intel. Every single one 🤣🤣

And no, i wasnt banned from anything, but you are. For toxic pro amd rhetoric according to the mods 😂

Lying and trolling won't help you here, have a nice day.

 

[Leeea]

What does it mean, when the *lowest* CPU in your (consumer/mainstream) lineup is $300+?

I am seeing options starting at $58 USD?:
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007671 601294614&Order=1

although, it appears the user needs to spend at least $62 for a quad core.

$90 for a hex core

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Intel does seem to undercut AMD a bit:
$30 starting price
quad core for $60
although $125 for a hex core is a bit more then AMD is asking

 

[AtenRa]

You are missing the point. The point was, i'd rather have day one platform support for 2 generations of CPU's than have 3 generations support but 500 days later than their release, when they are by all means obsolete.

You already had a day one platform support with your B350 motherboard, ZEN 1 and ZEN 1+ . Not only that, but you also got another day one platform support , a third CPU architecture with ZEN 2 (Ryzen 3000).

So if you dont like the forth platform support for your 3-4 year old B350 Motherboard, next time go with Intel and you can have day one platform support but you will also have to buy a new motherboard every two years.

 

[dlerious]

Platform support is GREAT. When it's given day one. Raptorlake will work on any Z690 the day it's released. Actually, the bios are already here

On the other hand, it took amd 540 days (that's the actual number) to support zen 3 on my b350. By the time support finally arrived zen 3 was outdated and I had moved on to a newer platform. So yeah, if that's how they are going to support AM5 as well, hell no.

Wait a minute, you had support for Zen, zen+, and Zen2 on your b350 - that's 3 generations. But it isn't as good as the 2 gens you get with Intel?

 

[FangBLade]

You already had a day one platform support with your B350 motherboard, ZEN 1 and ZEN 1+ . Not only that, but you also got another day one platform support , a third CPU architecture with ZEN 2 (Ryzen 3000).

So if you dont like the forth platform support for your 3-4 year old B350 Motherboard, next time go with Intel and you can have day one platform support but you will also have to buy a new motherboard every two years.

By his logic it would be better for customers if AMD dind't even release support for Zen 3 at all, and by his logic it would also be better for us customers if AMD go to bankrupt, so Intel with monopoly would create better and cheaper products (he stubbornly sticks to that theory in other forums).

 

[AtenRa]

By his logic it would be better for customers if AMD dind't even release support for Zen 3 at all, and by his logic it would also be better for us customers if AMD go to bankrupt, so Intel with monopoly would create better and cheaper products (he stubbornly sticks to that theory in other forums).

Didnt we had a guy here that was saying the same thing pre ZEN era ???

 

[UsandThem]

@FangBLade
@Just Benching

You two need to add each other to your ignore list. This is the 2nd thread you two have derailed with petty arguing.

If it doesn't immediately stop, there will be consquences.

AT Mod Usandthem

 

[Racan]

Didnt we had a guy here that was saying the same thing pre ZEN era ???

Shintai

 

[AtenRa]

Shintai

right thx I had forgotten his nickname