What does AMD have to fight the 780?

[HexiumVII]

I'm team green, but i rarely play games anymore and rather than having my gpu site idle, i mine litecoins. I just sold my 670 a few months back and going to build a nice haswell system with something nice, maybe the 780, but rather stick in something that could mine. How long will I have to wait for the new radeon?

 

[Arachnotronic]

I'm team green, but i rarely play games anymore and rather than having my gpu site idle, i mine litecoins. I just sold my 670 a few months back and going to build a nice haswell system with something nice, maybe the 780, but rather stick in something that could mine. How long will I have to wait for the new radeon?

2014.

 

[BrightCandle]

Current data tells us late 2013 to 2014. It depends on the availability of TSMC's next process being fully ready which AMD has stated in slides will be the next moment they do a refresh.

 

[hawtdawg]

2014. TSMC and Glo-fo aren't even pretending like 20nm will be ready before spring of next year. Anything you see to the contrary is unfounded rumor.

 

[SiliconWars]

End of this year, but it will still be 28nm.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

End of this year, but it will still be 20nm.

Fixed. They clearly stated in interviews that they will release 20nm gpu's late 2013. Probably just a paper launch, but still a launch.

 

[5150Joker]

Fixed. They clearly stated in interviews that they will release 20nm gpu's late 2013. Probably just a paper launch, but still a launch.

Paper launches are meaningless if there's no product for consumers to purchase. I don't see the point in companies doing this. Basically AMD has nothing to counter NV's new 780 and Titan, not for another 6-8 months at least.

 

[SiliconWars]

Fixed. They clearly stated in interviews that they will release 20nm gpu's late 2013. Probably just a paper launch, but still a launch.

Where did they say 20nm?

 

[Silverforce11]

There's no indications TSMC is ready for mass 20nm production this year.

The true next gen stuff is gonna be on 20nm, not this 15% speed bumps.. that's something you see with CPU bumps.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Paper launches are meaningless if there's no product for consumers to purchase. I don't see the point in companies doing this. Basically AMD has nothing to counter AMD's new 780 and Titan, not for another 6-8 months at least.

Even if it's a paper launch the actual product will follow soon after.

They could counter if they were actually pressured to. There is absolutely no reason to counter Nvidia other than to quiet nvidia fanboys who think they have nothing to match the Titan/gtx 780.

The thing is, they don't care about a bunch of vocal forum nvidia evangelists. Nvidia priced the gtx780 and Titan out of relevance in AMD's market. Tell me why AMD needs to spend millions of dollars in R&D to release an expensive to produce card 1.5 years into a 2 year process cycle when they aren't being forced to lower prices by the competition? There is no reason.

 

[alcoholbob]

Very few of the small number of people who are going to drop $650 to $1000 on a Single GPU would buy AMD even if it was faster AND cheaper, considering they couldn't win the $500 market with a faster card, free stuff, and being priced lower than nvidia.

There's literally no reason for AMD to spin a 500 mm2 product to rival the 780. Their market is low end/mid-end.

 

[5150Joker]

Even if it's a paper launch the actual product will follow soon after.

They could counter if they were actually pressured to. There is absolutely no reason to counter Nvidia other than to quiet nvidia fanboys who think they have nothing to match the Titan/gtx 780.

The thing is, they don't care about a bunch of vocal forum nvidia evangelists. Nvidia priced the gtx780 and Titan out of relevance in AMD's market. Tell me why AMD needs to spend millions of dollars in R&D to release an expensive to produce card 1.5 years into a 2 year process cycle when they aren't being forced to lower prices by the competition? There is no reason.

Not pressured? AMD is hard up for cash and their discrete market share is shrinking in contrast to NVIDIA. How the hell is that not pressure? Right now AMD has nothing interesting at the high end, the 7990 is a joke while on the low end Intel is eating them alive (especially with haswell coming). And who is to say their VI will be any good at 20nm? I'm going to laugh hard at all the AMD fanboys if it turns out to be a small chip again that barely outpaces a GTX 780. Put it this way: They just lost all the sales from guys like me that picked up Titans and others that are grabbing 780s. Even if that represents a tiny fraction of the market, it is highly lucrative dollars + precious PR--like all the AMD apologists around here constantly point out, NVIDIA is laughing all the way to the bank with GK110 and you think AMD doesn't want a piece of that action? :hmm:

 

[Sohaltang]

IMO next gen console can change things. PC gaming has increased due to prolonged wait for new stuff. Only reason I dropped 500$ on a gpu was because ps3 and 360 are stale. It's just a patch along the road to the next gen. I know y'all all gonna hate and pick Thais apart. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Skurge]

Not pressured? AMD is hard up for cash and their discrete market share is shrinking in contrast to NVIDIA. How the hell is that not pressure? Right now AMD has nothing interesting at the high end, the 7990 is a joke while on the low end Intel is eating them alive (especially with haswell coming). And who is to say their VI will be any good at 20nm? I'm going to laugh hard at all the AMD fanboys if it turns out to be a small chip again that barely outpaces a GTX 780. Put it this way: They just lost all the sales from guys like me that picked up Titans and others that are grabbing 780s. Even if that represents a tiny fraction of the market, it is highly lucrative dollars + precious PR--like all the AMD apologists around here constantly point out, NVIDIA is laughing all the way to the bank with GK110 and you think AMD doesn't want a piece of that action? :hmm:

Wow, ok?

Yeah, even when AMD is faster and cheaper. People still don't buy their cards. People were still buying GTX580s when 7970 was out.

Laugh at all the AMD fanboys? So I can count on you to get 9970s if they are faster than Titans for N$550? I'm pretty sure you won't.

 

[5150Joker]

Wow, ok?

Yeah, even when AMD is faster and cheaper. People still don't buy their cards. People were still buying GTX580s when 7970 was out.

Laugh at all the AMD fanboys? So I can count on you to get 9970s if they are faster than Titans for N$550? I'm pretty sure you won't.

I won't touch AMD until they fix their drivers + crossfire. When they do that and can compete against NVIDIA, I'll buy their products. BTW here's a list of my recent cards since you seem to imply that I only buy NVIDIA:

AMD : 4870M Xfire, 5870M Xfire, 6970M Xfire, 6990M Xfire = 4
NVIDIA: GTX 580M SLI, GTX 680M SLI, GTX Titan SLI = 3

I guess I'm an AMD fanboy?
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[UaVaj]

only way amd is even gonna compete is to FIX cross-broke FAST. real FAST.

7970 crossfire ($720) is a nice alterative to 780 ($654).
7970 trifire ($1080) is a kick ass alternative to 780 sli ($1308)

sadly crossfire is still broke.

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can only imagine if crossfire is fixed. nvidia prices would drop so fast nvidia would not know what hit them.

as for 8970 - keep dreaming.

 

[3DVagabond]

Even if it's a paper launch the actual product will follow soon after.

They could counter if they were actually pressured to. There is absolutely no reason to counter Nvidia other than to quiet nvidia fanboys who think they have nothing to match the Titan/gtx 780.

The thing is, they don't care about a bunch of vocal forum nvidia evangelists. Nvidia priced the gtx780 and Titan out of relevance in AMD's market. Tell me why AMD needs to spend millions of dollars in R&D to release an expensive to produce card 1.5 years into a 2 year process cycle when they aren't being forced to lower prices by the competition? There is no reason.

So nVidia fans can have cheaper cards. Not a particularly compelling reason, IMO.

 

[wand3r3r]

I would say they are just tucking their tails between their legs and sitting this out.

I'd imagine they are working on the 9970 to counter even the titan, but it doesn't really excuse their sitting out a refresh imo unless the 9970 actually competes with the next high end nv cards.

 

[Granseth]

I would say they are just tucking their tails between their legs and sitting this out.

I'd imagine they are working on the 9970 to counter even the titan, but it doesn't really excuse their sitting out a refresh imo unless the 9970 actually competes with the next high end nv cards.

I think they jumped over the 8xxx-genereation when they got the PS4 and XB1 contracts and saw that their 7xxx-genereation would be competitive for most of it's expanded life cycle. I would guess that the matured 28nm production process will make it possible for AMD to reduce prices too if it's necessary, but it seems like nVidia is loving the prices as they are, so if AMD doesn't cut prices they won't do it either.

 

[R0H1T]

I think they jumped over the 8xxx-genereation when they got the PS4 and XB1 contracts and saw that their 7xxx-genereation would be competitive for most of it's expanded life cycle. I would guess that the matured 28nm production process will make it possible for AMD to reduce prices too if it's necessary, but it seems like nVidia is loving the prices as they are, so if AMD doesn't cut prices they won't do it either.

This plus the fact that the next product cycle is what 6~12 months away, so they could've figured that saving this amount of money for what's basically just a rehash could help them in the medium to long term as they could price the 9xxx series higher like what they did with 7xxx nearly two years back !

 

[sontin]

only way amd is even gonna compete is to FIX cross-broke FAST. real FAST.

7970 crossfire ($720) is a nice alterative to 780 ($654).
7970 trifire ($1080) is a kick ass alternative to 780 sli ($1308)

sadly crossfire is still broke.

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can only imagine if crossfire is fixed. nvidia prices would drop so fast nvidia would not know what hit them.

as for 8970 - keep dreaming.

AFR is no alternative: Input-Lag, profiles, bad scaling, graphic glitches etc.

 

[Skurge]

I won't touch AMD until they fix their drivers + crossfire. When they do that and can compete against NVIDIA, I'll buy their products. BTW here's a list of my recent cards since you seem to imply that I only buy NVIDIA:

AMD : 4870M Xfire, 5870M Xfire, 6970M Xfire, 6990M Xfire = 4
NVIDIA: GTX 580M SLI, GTX 680M SLI, GTX Titan SLI = 3

I guess I'm an AMD fanboy?
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Have you previously been gaming on a notebook or are those typos?

 

[Skurge]

AFR is no alternative: Input-Lag, profiles, bad scaling, graphic glitches etc.

For you maybe. SLI/Crossfire works for a lot of people.

People like callsignvega NEED SLI/Crossfire cause even a Titan buckles under the type of setup he uses.

 

[parvadomus]

OP. If you dont game get a 7950 or 7970. AMD might release a 7980 relatively early with perf on par with 780 or just wait for 20nm process. We will have to wait some weeks to know.

 

[5150Joker]

Have you previously been gaming on a notebook or are those typos?

Was on Alienware notebooks since going to med school and now that I'm almost done, I'm back on desktop. Is gaming on a DTR somehow inferior in your eyes?