What do you think would hold Dr. Paul back most from the GOP nom?

Anarchist420

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I was just wondering what you thought.

I don't think it's his views, as even though he's a libertarian, he's also more populist than the others (anti-fed, very anti-corporate welfare, anti-illegal immigration, skeptical of evolution).

Rather, I think it's his opponents' lies that people fall for that will defeat him, should he run. 2 cases:
Huckabee is for amnesty but at the same time, most people believe that he is strongly against it. I don't think that Huckabee will win, because he sucks so bad at fundraising and due to a few other reasons, but he probably takes the most votes away from Ron Paul even though they're nothing alike.

More so than that, Romney is traveling to every state lying his ass off about everything.

McCain could not have won the nomination had there been an issue made about illegal immigration.

Illegal immigration is far from the largest issue to me but I think that if McCain had stood by his principles and had illegal immigration been made an issue, he would've lost the GOP nomination last time.

The biggest obstacle (whether they know it or not) the American people face is the GOP primary. If Ron Paul could win it, he'd beat Obama by a narrow margin (and certainly do much better than McCain and Bush did with the black vote, at least 2.5x better), Americans would win, and we'd be the great empire of liberty that Thomas Jefferson envisioned.
 

Steeplerot

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Most people are turned off by fundamentalist nutjob republican types. he wants to shut down the dept of education but get all up in womens uterus business. Another hypocrite. But hey, he says smoking pots ok! Send him more money, thats what he likes, he conned you guys out of how many mil already?
 

manimal

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Anyone anticipating a widespread outbreak of sanity among Republican primary voters is going to be sadly disappointed.

the insanity they are suffering steers them towards a Bachman/Palin vs a textbook libertarian..
 

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Most people are turned off by fundamentalist nutjob republican types. he wants to shut down the dept of education but get all up in womens uterus business. Another hypocrite. But hey, he says smoking pots ok! Send him more money, thats what he likes, he conned you guys out of how many mil already?
He doesn't actually, at least not at the federal level. He doesn't support abortion, but advocates leaving it up to the states since the federal government has no constitutional authority on the matter. Stuff like this is what makes him one of the least hypocritical people in Washington IMO. Whether you agree with his politics or not, you have to respect the guy for being one of the few politicians out there that consistently sticks to his principles.
 

Craig234

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Anyone anticipating a widespread outbreak of sanity among Republican primary voters is going to be sadly disappointed.

Yes, I considered qualifying that, such as 'remaining shreds of sanity', but decided the two word version made the point.

The huge disasters they will elect really does make any distinction from the insane Ron Paul not really that much of a distinction as far as the voters' sanity.
 

Craig234

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He doesn't actually, at least not at the federal level. He doesn't support abortion, but advocates leaving it up to the states since the federal government has no constitutional authority on the matter. Stuff like this is what makes him one of the least hypocritical people in Washington IMO. Whether you agree with his politics or not, you have to respect the guy for being one of the few politicians out there that consistently sticks to his principles.

I hate the 'even he he supports insane evil, you have to respect him for his principles' line used to defend the worst sorts of monsters who try for power - not just Ron Paul.
 

davmat787

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I hate the 'even he he supports insane evil, you have to respect him for his principles' line used to defend the worst sorts of monsters who try for power - not just Ron Paul.

I get what you are saying about that line, but what aspect of Ron Paul do you consider to be monstrous or insanely evil?
 

Anarchist420

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Never have i seen so much disrespect towards the most virtuous statesman there ever was.

I don't think there is anything you can do to save yourselves from eternal damnation.

I guess everyone wants to be a slave as well as enslave everyone else. I've never what's so great about slavery (statism). Perhaps someone could elaborate?

I guess if I were ignorant of the truth I'd be happier.
 

LegendKiller

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Never have i seen so much disrespect towards the most virtuous statesman there ever was.

I don't think there is anything you can do to save yourselves from eternal damnation.

I guess everyone wants to be a slave as well as enslave everyone else. I've never what's so great about slavery (statism). Perhaps someone could elaborate?

I guess if I were ignorant of the truth I'd be happier.

Please kid, you aren't even out of your shitty 10th tier school, you haven't even taken a job in the real world and you're going to lecture us about "eternal damnation" and "statism" slavery?

Your "slavery" perspective is tired and lame. If you want a completely "free" society, go live in Somalia, there's no slavery there, by your definition. Our society, while not completely free, provides many protections and benefits of a modern culture and society. It isn't perfect and should be refined but your "free" perspective is moronic, the same as Paul.

Ron Paul is a loon. His policies, just like your posts, are an embarrassment to this country, world and human race. It completely disregards the reality of human psychology and is locked in 17th century thinking. It is for that reason that he's seen as a joke politician just as you're seen as a troll and a joke poster.
 

Doppel

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I was just wondering what you thought.

I don't think it's his views, as even though he's a libertarian, he's also more populist than the others (anti-fed, very anti-corporate welfare, anti-illegal immigration, skeptical of evolution).

Rather, I think it's his opponents' lies that people fall for that will defeat him, should he run. 2 cases:
Huckabee is for amnesty but at the same time, most people believe that he is strongly against it. I don't think that Huckabee will win, because he sucks so bad at fundraising and due to a few other reasons, but he probably takes the most votes away from Ron Paul even though they're nothing alike.

More so than that, Romney is traveling to every state lying his ass off about everything.

McCain could not have won the nomination had there been an issue made about illegal immigration.

Illegal immigration is far from the largest issue to me but I think that if McCain had stood by his principles and had illegal immigration been made an issue, he would've lost the GOP nomination last time.

The biggest obstacle (whether they know it or not) the American people face is the GOP primary. If Ron Paul could win it, he'd beat Obama by a narrow margin (and certainly do much better than McCain and Bush did with the black vote, at least 2.5x better), Americans would win, and we'd be the great empire of liberty that Thomas Jefferson envisioned.
He thinks too much like you?
 

disappoint

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It is for that reason that he's seen as a joke politician just as you're seen as a troll and a joke poster.

If only they were joking. But they are serious, and they seriously believe what they stand for. They cannot see how insane they really are. And I guess in a world where reality is so fucked up, the only defense they have is to substitute their own reality, even if it isn't real.
 

matt0611

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The republicans will elect a Romney type, expand government even more if he gets in, which he probably won't anyway.

He will: Expand the war on terror, expand the war on drugs, expand the federal government, spend more money on our failed public education system, encroach more on our civil liberties, invade more countries, run up our debt more, give more breaks to big businesses, leave the border un-secure, etc

Doing anything else but this would be insane :D
Yup, you heard it here. Case closed.
 
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rudeguy

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Anyone anticipating a widespread outbreak of sanity among Republican primary voters is going to be sadly disappointed.

yep

It would be almost as unbelievable as a Dem who's only campaign promise was to promise hope and change. It would be hilarious if he won and then didn't change anything and then smashed any chance of hope in everyone!

...but that would never happen.
 

Siddhartha

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Never have i seen so much disrespect towards the most virtuous statesman there ever was.

I don't think there is anything you can do to save yourselves from eternal damnation.

I guess everyone wants to be a slave as well as enslave everyone else. I've never what's so great about slavery (statism). Perhaps someone could elaborate?

I guess if I were ignorant of the truth I'd be happier.

Only someone like my bat shit crazy holy roller aunt would seriously write something like this post. She thinks Jesus is more on her side than anyone else's. So I think you are posting for the giggles.
 

rudeguy

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Neither Paul, Palin, Bachmann, nor Romney will get my vote. I'm patiently waiting to see who else throws their hat in the race

I have a feeling we (Republicans) are going to be let down. I really hope it doesn't happen, but I'm not seeing anyone throw their hat into the ring that I would actually vote for.
 

Siddhartha

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I have a feeling we (Republicans) are going to be let down. I really hope it doesn't happen, but I'm not seeing anyone throw their hat into the ring that I would actually vote for.

Can you see voting for Mr Trump?
 

rudeguy

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Can you see voting for Mr Trump?

I really, really wish he wasn't a flaming nut job.

To answer your question, yes. If it came down to him or Obama, I would vote for Trump. I hope he isn't our nominee but he very well could be. I do really look forward to debates with him in them. That should be a good time.