What do you think the effect of raising taxes on the poor would be?

[Svnla]

That's the general idea for any civilized society. The strong susidize the weak to improve society around them. It's better to do this then let them to starve, leaving them to robbing and even murdering for money to feed their kids.....

Whahwaa, stop it right there.

Robbing and murdering to feed them kids? LOL. You can't be serious. I never heard or read about a robbery or murder for food to feed them kids. Feel free to provide links or sources.

As a matter of facts, kids in poor families have much greater chance of growing up in single parent household because of absent fathers.

 

[dank69]

Whahwaa, stop it right there.

Robbing and murdering to feed them kids? LOL. You can't be serious. I never heard or read about a robbery or murder for food to feed them kids. Feel free to provide links or sources.

As a matter of facts, kids in poor families have much greater chance of growing up in single parent household because of absent fathers.

I'm sorry. Are you saying you think it is preposterous that someone would ever commit crime to obtain money to feed their family? Or is english your second language and you don't understand my post?

 

[Svnla]

I'm sorry. Are you saying you think it is preposterous that someone would ever commit crime to obtain money to feed their family? Or is english your second language and you don't understand my post?

What I am saying is you made a statement, you need to provide links or sources of stories about robberies or murders that were about obtain money to feed the hungry kids. I am waiting. TIA.

 

[3chordcharlie]

What I am saying is you made a statement, you need to provide links or sources of stories about robberies or murders that were about obtain money to feed the hungry kids. I am waiting. TIA.

Would you steal to feed your kids?

Any 'murders' tend to be accidental, so they would in fact be 'manslaughter', except that generally 'manslaughter during commission of a crime' is re-re-defined as Murder-one.

So yes, murder.

 

[nonlnear]

Would you steal to feed your kids?

Any 'murders' tend to be accidental, so they would in fact be 'manslaughter', except that generally 'manslaughter during commission of a crime' is re-re-defined as Murder-one.

So yes, murder.

If feeding my kids were really my need, I would go get some free food at the food bank. Also, I would get food stamps.

 

[a777pilot]

Why not just go all the way?

Base our taxes on the so called minimum wage.

Starting at the minimum wage.....0% taxes. Then with a sliding scale up to a tax on all income a profits from any source of over 10 times that minimum wage at 100%.

It's all the governments money anyway. So we earn it with our work and the government then ensures all our needs are taken care of by government. Like parents and children.....we being the children.

 

[Svnla]

Would you steal to feed your kids?

Any 'murders' tend to be accidental, so they would in fact be 'manslaughter', except that generally 'manslaughter during commission of a crime' is re-re-defined as Murder-one.

So yes, murder.

Read what dank said again. The post was not about me or what should/would I do.

Again, post stories/links/sources about any robberies/murders that the 'poor' perpertrator(s) have done it to feed their kids.

 

[dank69]

Read what dank said again. The post was not about me or what should/would I do.

Again, post stories/links/sources about any robberies/murders that the 'poor' perpertrator(s) have done it to feed their kids.

You should read it again, too. My point was that if we take away the saftey nets, people will commit crime for food. I'm sorry I can't provide links for future possibilities.

That doesn't change the fact that people have commited crimes in order to provide for their families in the past when they don't have any other way to obtain food. I don't know how often this happns in the US since we have had safety nets since long before I was born.

Please, read my post again and if you still do not understand it, let me know exactly what you don't understand. If you truly believe nobody in the history of mankind has ever robbed or even killed in order to provide for their kids then there is nothing that can be done to help you.

 

[dank69]

Why not just go all the way?

Base our taxes on the so called minimum wage.

Starting at the minimum wage.....0% taxes. Then with a sliding scale up to a tax on all income a profits from any source of over 10 times that minimum wage at 100%.

It's all the governments money anyway. So we earn it with our work and the government then ensures all our needs are taken care of by government. Like parents and children.....we being the children.

When someone is thirsty, why stop at drinking one glass of water? Why not go all the way and drink until they die from water intoxication?

Nice to see you back posting nonsense. I missed you.

 

[Svnla]

You should read it again, too. My point was that if we take away the saftey nets, people will commit crime for food. I'm sorry I can't provide links for future possibilities.

That doesn't change the fact that people have commited crimes in order to provide for their families in the past when they don't have any other way to obtain food. I don't know how often this happns in the US since we have had safety nets since long before I was born.

Please, read my post again and if you still do not understand it, let me know exactly what you don't understand. If you truly believe nobody in the history of mankind has ever robbed or even killed in order to provide for their kids then there is nothing that can be done to help you.

This is what you said and I quote "...It's better to do this then let them to starve, leaving them to robbing and even murdering for money to feed their kids....."

I grew up in the South area (Lousiana and Miss - 2 of the poorest states in the US) and for the last 20 plus years that I have been here, I never heard/read about any robberies/murders that the perpertrator(s) did that because they had to feed their kids due to starvation.

That's why I said I need sources/links/stories for the last 20 years (not the future) from you or anyone to prove otherwise. I think what nonlnear said in post #105 would be more likely/appropriate (get foods from food banks, churchs, various religious or social entities, ect).

Now if you said something about theft, shoplifting, or stolen food, then I would agree.

 

[dank69]

This is what you said and I quote "...It's better to do this then let them to starve, leaving them to robbing and even murdering for money to feed their kids....."

I grew up in the South area (Lousiana and Miss - 2 of the poorest states in the US) and for the last 20 plus years that I have been here, I never heard/read about any robberies/murders that the perpertrator(s) did that because they had to feed their kids due to starvation.

That's why I said I need sources/links/stories for the last 20 years (not the future) from you or anyone to prove otherwise. I think what nonlnear said in post #105 would be more likely/appropriate (get foods from food banks, churchs, various religious or social entities, ect).

Now if you said something about theft, shoplifting, or stolen food, then I would agree.

We have had safety nets for more than the last 20 years. How can you be so dense?

 

[Svnla]

We have had safety nets for more than the last 20 years. How can you be so dense?

And we did not have anything before that. We did not have anything in the darkest hours of the Great Depression. I did not hear or read anything about robberies or murders because children were starving and their parents had to rob/murder way back then and I still haven't hear/read anything like that now.

You were saying?

 

[dank69]

And we did not have anything before that. We did not have anything in the darkest hours of the Great Depression. I did not hear or read anything about robberies or murders because children were starving and their parents had to rob/murder way back then and I still haven't hear/read anything like that now.

You were saying?

I apologize. I didn't think anyone could be so stupid as to think that people have never committed crime to feed their children. You have once again proven that there really is no floor on human intellect.

First hit on google:
Mom arrested for stealing baby food

A mother was arrested for larceny and assault with a deadly weapon after police say she stole food from a grocery store.

 

[nonlnear]

I apologize. I didn't think anyone could be so stupid as to think that people have never committed crime to feed their children. You have once again proven that there really is no floor on human intellect.

First hit on google:
Mom arrested for stealing baby food

Was she ineligible for WIC (or whatever it's called in her state)?

 

[dank69]

Was she ineligible for WIC (or whatever it's called in her state)?

The claim isn't that crime will never happen if we have safety nets in place. The claim is that crime will increase if safety nets are removed. A distinction not too difficult to see.

His claim, which that post you quoted is refuting, was that people do not rob to feed their children.

 

[Svnla]

I apologize. I didn't think anyone could be so stupid as to think that people have never committed crime to feed their children. You have once again proven that there really is no floor on human intellect.

First hit on google:
Mom arrested for stealing baby food

Did you see the last sentence of my #110 post?

Now if you said something about theft, shoplifting, or stolen food, then I would agree

You said (post #74) AND I AM QUOTING "It's better to do this then let them to starve, leaving them to robbing and even murdering for money to feed their kids."


Steal food =! robbery and murder. Get it?

If you want to debate with me, at least try to be honest and remember what being said in previous posts.

You were saying something about stupid and human intellect?

 

[dank69]

Did you see the last sentence of my #110 post?


You said (post #74) AND I AM QUOTING "It's better to do this then let them to starve, leaving them to robbing and even murdering for money to feed their kids."


Steal food =! robbery and murder. Get it?

If you want to debate with me, at least try to be honest and remember what you said in your previous posts.

You were saying something about stupid?

Definition of rob:

1
a (1): to take something away from by force : steal from (2): to take personal property from by violence or threat b (1): to remove valuables without right from (a place) (2): to take the contents of (a receptacle) c: to take away as loot : steal <rob jewelry>
2
a: to deprive of something due, expected, or desired b: to withhold unjustly or injuriously

I said robbery and murder. Have you ever heard of a robbery that escalated to murder? Muggings and assault can both escalate to manslaughter and result in charges of murder.

The point, is that starving people with starving kids may resort to stealing (robbery/mugging) to obtain food or money to buy food. Crimes like that run the risk of escalating in violence and can result in murder charges.

 

[Svnla]

Definition of rob:


I said robbery and murder. Have you ever heard of a robbery that escalated to murder? Muggings and assault can both escalate to manslaughter and result in charges of murder.

The point, is that starving people with starving kids may resort to stealing (robbery/mugging) to obtain food or money to buy food. Crimes like that run the risk of escalating in violence and can result in murder charges.

Ok, you said robbery and murder.

From dictionary.com: Robbery =

the felonious taking of the property of another from his or her person or in his or her immediate presence, against his or her will, by violence or intimidation.

The story you posted was about stealing food (NOT MONEY) in which I agreed in my post #110.

So far, still no links/stories/sources for VIOLENT robbery or murder FOR MONEY to feed them poor starving kids from desperate parent(s) as you said in post #74 which I disagree.

 

[werepossum]

Ah thanks for clearing that up, that makes more sense.

No problem.

 

[dank69]

Ok, you said robbery.

From dictionary.com: Robbery =

The story you posted was about stealing food, in which I agreed in my post #110.

So far, still no links/stories/sources for VIOLENT robbery or murder FOR MONEY to feed them poor starving kids from desperate parent(s).

Oh, dictionary.com is acceptable but not websters? Okay, from dictionary.com:

rob

&#8194; &#8194;/r&#594;b/ http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.htmlShow Spelled [rob] http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/Spell_pron_key.htmlShow IPA verb, robbed, rob·bing.
verb (used with object) 1. to take something from (someone) by unlawful force or threat of violence; steal from.

2. to deprive (someone) of some right or something legally due: They robbed her of her inheritance.

3. to plunder or rifle (a house, shop, etc.).

4. to deprive of something unjustly or injuriously: The team was robbed of a home run hitter when the umpire called it a foul ball. The shock robbed him of his speech.

5. Mining . to remove ore or coal from (a pillar).

It is sad you have to resort to blatent dishonesty rather than admit you made a mistake. The 3rd definition from your own source is 'to plunder a shop.'

 

[homercles337]

I would be estatic if the tax rates remained as they are but just eliminate the (un) earned income credit. Why should anyone have a negative federal tax rate?
Currently 49.5% of the population pays no federal income tax, I wonder how many of these receive a federal tax refund check?

That number is an anomaly from 2009. If you are going to parrot this number in the future, 35-40% is realistic. Of course, i realize there is nothing realistic about right-wing "think."

 

[dank69]

Oh, and here you go, Desperate Dad Robs GameStop Store In Huntington Beach:

HUNTINGTON BEACH (CBS) &#8212; Huntington Beach Police Tuesday searched for a desperate dad, who apparently turned to robbery to feed his kids.

The man robbed a GameStop store, telling the clerk that he was sorry, but that he needed money so his kids could eat.
The robbery took place on October 13.
Security photos depicted the man waiting until other customers left, and then handing over a piece of paper with a demand for $3,000.
The man then escaped with the cash.

Is that specific enough that you can shut the fuck up and stop trying to wiggle out of your completely assinine comment?

 

[Svnla]

Oh, dictionary.com is acceptable but not websters? Okay, from dictionary.com:

It is sad you have to resort to blatent dishonesty rather than admit you made a mistake. The 3rd definition from your own source is 'to plunder a shop.'

We can play syntax/meaning of words all days.

The story you posted was about STEALING FOOD (NOT money) which I agreed in post #110.

Where did I say Websters was not ok?

You were saying something about blatant dishonesty and stupid and human intellect? :whiste:

 

[dank69]

We can play syntax/meaning of words all days.

The story you posted was about STEALING FOOD (NOT money) which I agreed in post #110.

Where did I say Websters was not ok?

You were saying something about blatant dishonesty and stupid and human intellect? :whiste:

Post 122 proves you 100% wrong.

 

[dank69]

Mom denied food stamps shoots kids, kills self

Not killing to feed her kids but killing because she can't feed her kids, same concept.