What do you think of people who block merge lanes

[lozina]

Originally posted by: kami333
Actually lane blockers and early mergers ARE the ones you cause delays and slow downs.

Ever notice the "Use both lanes until merge point" signs? Oh, thats right, traffic engineers have no idea what they are doing...

what sign is that?

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: kami333
Actually lane blockers and early mergers ARE the ones you cause delays and slow downs.

Ever notice the "Use both lanes until merge point" signs? Oh, thats right, traffic engineers have no idea what they are doing...

what sign is that?

It's probably a sign that says "Use both lanes until merge point".

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: kami333
Actually lane blockers and early mergers ARE the ones you cause delays and slow downs.

Ever notice the "Use both lanes until merge point" signs? Oh, thats right, traffic engineers have no idea what they are doing...

That is a load of bull. People who make other people stop to let them in are the ones causing the slow downs.

 

[DougK62]

I think some people are confused about what "merge" means when driving. It means to put your signal on early and pull into a spot as you're moving. It does NOT mean to go all the way to the end of the merge lane, stop, and wait for someone to let you in.

It's the people that do the latter that make the big messes.

 

[Fiat1]

Originally posted by: arcenite
People who try to race by me just to merge in front of me instead of behind me get on my nerves.

I think OP is that guy never wants to wait his turn or get in line like the res of us ....

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Phil

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: kami333
Actually lane blockers and early mergers ARE the ones you cause delays and slow downs.

Ever notice the "Use both lanes until merge point" signs? Oh, thats right, traffic engineers have no idea what they are doing...

what sign is that?

It's probably a sign that says "Use both lanes until merge point".

Ok funny man. I've never seen such a sign so I'm assuming it is some homemade sign or something specific to only a state or two.

 

[sygyzy]

Love em. If it weren't for the threat of crazy road rage killers, I'd do it myself. Think about it. What sort of person uses the merge lane to cut in front of other people? They are not the most courteous or sane people. They are definitely stupid. Anyone who has a problem with blockers, you are the very problem that they are solving. YOU guys are the ones cutting in front of others. Don't deny it.

 

[bcterps]

If more people used the merge lanes fully, traffic would move faster. The engineers who designed the lanes know what they are doing. If they didn't think it would help traffic, they just wouldn't have a merge lane at all, or they would make them shorter. Too bad people just don't use them to the fullest. I have no problems letting people in when they use the merge lane, I dislike people that drive on the shoulder, since that is illegal, but using the merge lane? More power to them.

 

[falias]

Yeah, I planning to weld a pole on the right side of my car with a hinge motor that makes the pole swing out into the merge lane whenever I fell like being a traffic cop.

 

[johnjbruin]

What is it with everybody trying to be the traffic-cop and interfering with other peoples driving. Just mind your own business when driving. If some a-hole is trying to go to the end of the lane that is ending - let him. Your blocking lanes is just simply causing other traffic problems.

None of you people have driven is Asia (China and India). Its survival of the fittest on the road.

Stop trying to be idealistic and improve other peoples habits. One day you will get rear ended by that same person trying to merge in because you decided to occupy half of his lane. I have seen this happen two times. What did those two guys get out of not letting the people merge in.

Sheesh :roll:

 

[kami333]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Phil

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: kami333
Actually lane blockers and early mergers ARE the ones you cause delays and slow downs.

Ever notice the "Use both lanes until merge point" signs? Oh, thats right, traffic engineers have no idea what they are doing...

what sign is that?

It's probably a sign that says "Use both lanes until merge point".

Ok funny man. I've never seen such a sign so I'm assuming it is some homemade sign or something specific to only a state or two.

No, actual signs. I've seen them in New York and Pennsylvania and Michigan.

 

[johnjbruin]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Phil

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: kami333
Actually lane blockers and early mergers ARE the ones you cause delays and slow downs.

Ever notice the "Use both lanes until merge point" signs? Oh, thats right, traffic engineers have no idea what they are doing...

what sign is that?

It's probably a sign that says "Use both lanes until merge point".

Ok funny man. I've never seen such a sign so I'm assuming it is some homemade sign or something specific to only a state or two.

Use Google:

Late merge helps ease stack effect at on-ramp
By ROAD WARRIOR, The Virginian-Pilot
© December 8, 2004
Last updated: 9:10 PM

Hey, Road: In AutoWeek magazine, I saw an item on a merging pattern used in Pennsylvania, which I think would work well on the Va. 164 approach to the West Norfolk Bridge, where there are severe merging problems.

In Pennsylvania, a sign is posted a quarter-mile before the lane ends, stating: ?Use both lanes until merge point.? A second sign is posted by the merge point, reading: ?Merge now, take your turn.?

Edward F. Unser, Suffolk

Dear Edward: Road has referenced Pennsylvania?s ?dynamic late merge? system before, and I like it. Some points:

There are two schools of thought on merging. No. 1 is, merge early, it?s rude to drive to the end of the cue, then expect people who have been waiting patiently to let you in. No. 2, merge late, holds that it?s not a matter of sweetness ? it?s about efficiency. By merging late, you utilize the maximum amount of room for cars to ?stack.?

Any system is better than no system.

The Virginia Department of Transportation has no system.

Every evening, Road takes the Interstate 264 West on-ramp from City Hall Avenue. I wait to merge for the Downtown Tunnel until just before the I-264/ I-464 split.

But many motorists merge into the left two westbound lanes as soon as they come off the on-ramp. This has a huge trickle-down effect, felt every afternoon throughout downtown Norfolk.

The City Hall Avenue on-ramp backs up, all the way to the City Hall/St. Paul?s Boulevard intersection. Interstate-bound motorists either get stuck in the intersection, creating gridlock, or at a red light on St. Paul?s.

Simply: If everyone merged as late as possible, there would be more room on the Berkley Bridge/I-264 West for cars.

Road?s modest suggestion to VDOT: Pick a pilot site for Pennsylvania?s ?merge late? program and give it a try. The Berkley Bridge /I-264 West and I-164/West Norfolk Bridge seem like good candidates.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: johnjbruin
What is it with everybody trying to be the traffic-cop and interfering with other peoples driving. Just mind your own business when driving. If some a-hole is trying to go to the end of the lane that is ending - let him. Your blocking lanes is just simply causing other traffic problems.

None of you people have driven is Asia (China and India). Its survival of the fittest on the road.

Stop trying to be idealistic and improve other peoples habits. One day you will get rear ended by that same person trying to merge in because you decided to occupy half of his lane. I have seen this happen two times. What did those two guys get out of not letting the people merge in.

Sheesh :roll:

In their defense:

The irony is that the people who fly past the waiting cars are interfering with the drivers they cut in front of, by slowing them down. So either you interfere or you get interfered with by someone else.

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: Fiat1

Originally posted by: arcenite
People who try to race by me just to merge in front of me instead of behind me get on my nerves.

I think OP is that guy never wants to wait his turn or get in line like the res of us ....

No I'm the one in the normal lane.

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: benchiu
If more people used the merge lanes fully, traffic would move faster. The engineers who designed the lanes know what they are doing. If they didn't think it would help traffic, they just wouldn't have a merge lane at all, or they would make them shorter. Too bad people just don't use them to the fullest. I have no problems letting people in when they use the merge lane, I dislike people that drive on the shoulder, since that is illegal, but using the merge lane? More power to them.

Exactly! If the traffic enginneers thought that merge lane blocking is a good idea, then why don't merge lanes have a abrupt blunt end instead of a nice gradual merge that you see.

 

[crystal]

You know what is worst, the exist off the highway is congest with a long line of cars. Jackass drives in middle lane and does a complete stop trying to cut in to get off the exist. Everyone behind him has to slam their brakes because of his selfishness.

 

[kami333]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: kami333
Actually lane blockers and early mergers ARE the ones you cause delays and slow downs.

Ever notice the "Use both lanes until merge point" signs? Oh, thats right, traffic engineers have no idea what they are doing...

That is a load of bull. People who make other people stop to let them in are the ones causing the slow downs.

Struzzi said motorists form a single lane of traffic too early. With everyone slowing down and jockeying for position in one lane, traffic backs up.

Another problem is that semis drive side-by-side in an attempt to herd drivers into one lane before the merge point.

"They think they are helping us out, but they're actually causing more of a problem," Struzzi said.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_204725.html

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: crystal
You know what is worst, the exist off the highway is congest with a long line of cars. Jackass drives in middle lane and does a complete stop trying to cut in to get off the exist. Everyone behind him has to slam their brakes because of his selfishness.

Yeah that's definitely the worst, and I see that every morning during my commute

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: makaze
I hate when I'm trying to merge, and aholes get out of the normal travel lanes and into the merge lane because we are moving faster then they are. luckily sometimes down here they have a cop sit at the end of the merge lanes

They should be given a ticket for wreckless driving for driving in between lanes and lane changing without a signal

And the other person should be given tickets for driving faster than the flow of traffic, reckless endangerment, excessive display of speed, etc

 

[Baked]

Learn to drive.

Ps. The poll is tied!

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: Sukhoi

Originally posted by: jagec
It's just counter-jerk tactics. I don't do it myself, but I'd say they actually IMPROVE the flow of traffic (at least non-jerk traffic), since they're keeping people from zooming by the line of cars and cutting in front, forcing everyone to brake suddenly, which REALLY slows stuff down.

When I drive (or walk), it's ALL about the flow of traffic. The shorter the gap I'm merging into, the faster I go to get up to speed...if I see people slowing down ahead, I back off the throttle and usually they start moving again before I come to a full stop...if I'm walking down the street and there's a four-way stop, I will often cross BEHIND the car in front, just so I don't make them wait a needless half-minute for me.

Exactly, it improves the flow of traffic. Semis do it all the time when interstates drop from 2 to 1 lane for construction. OP is stupid.

After reading this thread, wow there are lots more stupid people.

You have no proof and you're calling me stupid?
This getleman who works for PennDOT disagrees with you and I'd bet money that he probably knows a little more than you, you fvcking moron!

Originally posted by: kami333
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_204725.html

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: slag

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: makaze
I hate when I'm trying to merge, and aholes get out of the normal travel lanes and into the merge lane because we are moving faster then they are. luckily sometimes down here they have a cop sit at the end of the merge lanes

They should be given a ticket for wreckless driving for driving in between lanes and lane changing without a signal

And the other person should be given tickets for driving faster than the flow of traffic, reckless endangerment, excessive display of speed, etc

who said that they were speeding?

 

[Jzero]

If everyone would stop being a douche, it wouldn't be a problem. Problem is, one guy sitting in the slower line notices a car behind him decide he does not need to wait in line and pulls into the other lane and expects to simply horn in 10 cars ahead. This does not save him any noticeable amount of time, and it antaganoizes other drivers into pulling stupid crap like straddling the line before the actual point of merging.

Personally, I think 1000-1500 feet approaching the collapsing lane, it should become a double-solid line, and once you are in the lane you are in, you stay there until after the merge. If you are already in the "faster" lane, lucky you.

 

[Sukhoi]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Tommouse
I've blocked from time to time. Trying to keep traffic moving. It is people that use these lanes to pass everyone that cause the slowdown. If they just merged over within a reasonable time this wouldn't be a problem, but of course people are a-holes so they wont. All a blocker does is force an earlier merger, and that helps everyone, because once merged traffic moves better, its all the cutting off that people do that cause the jams. So please don't call us selfish when we are trying to help the whole flow (including ourselves of course) and not just solely ourselves.

You are just as selfish as the person in the other lane. If you really wanted to help you would not allow anyone to merge except 1 car at the merge point. Then both lanes would be used to the maximum extent and everyone would win. Neither lane would move faster than the other.

Wrong.

I'm discussing an interstate construction zone where two lanes merge into one. If both lanes are packed solid with traffic at the merge point a single lane cannot possibly handle that volume of traffic. Thus giant traffic jams occur.

The single-lane part of the road is the limiting factor in traffic capacity. Maximum capacity occurs when traffic is moving through the construction zone at a constant rate at the speed limit or some speed close to it. The capacity of the two-lane road before the construction zone does not matter. Thus it is optimal to create a single lane of constant flow traffic as early as possible. This would be achieved by creating a single lane of traffic while traffic density is still light, which is usually well before the actual merge area.

 

[Sukhoi]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: Sukhoi

Originally posted by: jagec
It's just counter-jerk tactics. I don't do it myself, but I'd say they actually IMPROVE the flow of traffic (at least non-jerk traffic), since they're keeping people from zooming by the line of cars and cutting in front, forcing everyone to brake suddenly, which REALLY slows stuff down.

When I drive (or walk), it's ALL about the flow of traffic. The shorter the gap I'm merging into, the faster I go to get up to speed...if I see people slowing down ahead, I back off the throttle and usually they start moving again before I come to a full stop...if I'm walking down the street and there's a four-way stop, I will often cross BEHIND the car in front, just so I don't make them wait a needless half-minute for me.

Exactly, it improves the flow of traffic. Semis do it all the time when interstates drop from 2 to 1 lane for construction. OP is stupid.

After reading this thread, wow there are lots more stupid people.

You have no proof and you're calling me stupid?
This getleman who works for PennDOT disagrees with you and I'd bet money that he probably knows a little more than you, you fvcking moron!

Originally posted by: kami333
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_204725.html

Oh, sorry, I'm only going by personal experience with a fair amount of interstate driving. Major problems occur from people roaring up in the merge lane to slam on their brakes and merge into some spot barely larger than their car in the other lane. If people actually drove correctly, knew closing speeds and distances, and merged efficiently then yes it would be best to use both lanes as much as possible. But that doesn't happen too often.