What do you think of affirmative action?

[GoingUp]

I am writing a philosophy paper on affirmative action right now... I am just curious what you all think of it....

If someone really wants, I can post my paper.... I was just curious about what you thought of it.

Paper is posted below... Give me some feedback on my paper if you liked it or not, etc.....

 

[Chaotic42]

I think you need to kill this thread before it starts.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Post your paper.

 

[nan0bug]

For the most part bad, but for now its what we have to work with. Racism isn't a problem that can be done away with wishful thinking, unfortunately, although affirmitive action is (thankfully) becoming an outdated policy. I can't wait to see it gone, but I understand its reasons for being there.

 

[GoingUp]

im still writing it and its gonna be 4 pages long.....

just the rough draft is due tomorrow.... so it wont be that polished.... gimme another 30-45 min to finish my paper

 

[johnjohn320]

I think I'm doing a project on it right now. And I think to leave only "yes" and "no" as possible answers is ridiculous.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Post your paper.

 

[isaacmacdonald]

you're writing a philosophy paper, and the poll choices are "good" or "bad"? *sigh* good luck with that whole philosophy thing kid.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
you're writing a philosophy paper, and the poll choices are "good" or "bad"? *sigh* good luck with that whole philosophy thing kid.

too many different questions to answer... lemme finish my damn paper and then post it and then you can all rip it apart

 

[Queasy]

Simple: racial preference of any kind is wrong and goes against the 14th Amendment.

 

[isaacmacdonald]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Simple: racial preference of any kind is wrong and goes against the 14th Amendment.

and for the other 3.99 pages....?

 

[mugs]

It doesn't bother me, because I know that as a white male, I'm still at an advantage. That's unfortunate, but it's true.

 

[EvilYoda]

Uh-oh.

<heads for the hills as the stampede of mad OTers come rushing in>

 

[yellowperil]

I think it was good for a while. Perhaps its need is diminishing as upward mobility becomes easier for minorities. I think the Supreme Court will probably overturn it in the next 10 years.

However, the equally discriminatory policy of legacy admissions will probably continue indefinitely

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: yellowperil
However, the equally discriminatory policy of legacy admissions will probably continue indefinitely

There is no law concerning legacy admissions so it is not equally discriminatory.

 

[faZZter]

Last time I checked, giving different unequal treatment to someone because of their race was called discrimination....

End of story.

 

[ed21x]

I think it's an insult that people thing MY race needs some law because we can't compete with white people :|

 

[isaacmacdonald]

Originally posted by: faZZter
Last time I checked, giving different unequal treatment to someone because of their race was called discrimination....

End of story.

ohh shiznit.

obviously I don't need to point out that unequal treatment based on relations to alumni, or financial need, or apptitude, are all forms of "discrimination".

 

[dighn]

can of worms

 

[EvilYoda]

Originally posted by: dighn
can of worms

Need that opened? here ya go!

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald

Originally posted by: faZZter
Last time I checked, giving different unequal treatment to someone because of their race was called discrimination....

End of story.

ohh shiznit.

obviously I don't need to point out that unequal treatment based on relations to alumni, or financial need, or apptitude, are all forms of "discrimination".

Yes, unfortunately, the law reads that you shall not discriminate based on race, sex, age, or religion. Doesn't say anything about the other stuff.

 

[her209]

you can get rid of affirmative action, but you can't get rid of racism, prejudice, and discrimination.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: ed21x
I think it's an insult that people thing MY race needs some law because we can't compete with white people :|

What is your race?

 

[isaacmacdonald]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald

Originally posted by: faZZter
Last time I checked, giving different unequal treatment to someone because of their race was called discrimination....

End of story.

ohh shiznit.

obviously I don't need to point out that unequal treatment based on relations to alumni, or financial need, or apptitude, are all forms of "discrimination".

Yes, unfortunately, the law reads that you shall not discriminate based on race, sex, age, or religion. Doesn't say anything about the other stuff.

that's true. I was simply pointing out that all too often people say "OMG it's called discrimination", as though the act of discrimination is so unnatural. The michigan case has further demonstrated that the SC believes that while overt acts of racial discrimination (quotas) are unconstitutional, more maleable methods of considering race (defacto discrimination), in light of a valid goal (diversity), is constitutional.

I don't think things are really cut and dry when we're dealing with a fairly liberal interpretation of the function of the judicial branch and constitutional "intent".

 

[AmbitV]

Premise 1: All races are created equal.

Premise 2: If all races are created equal, then (all else equal) the proportion of each race in a e.g. a university should be roughly equal to their proportion with respect to the general popultion. I.e. if 10% of population is Latino, 10% of university should be Latino.

Premise 3: The minority representation in universities comes nowhere close to their representation in the general population.

Conclusion: ?

(all races not created equal? discrimination is a problem and we need affirmative action?)

if the premises are true, and the argument is valid, then the conclusion must be true.....