What do you think about these parts for new build? Trying for right at $1000.00

[MindProbe]

What do you think about these parts for a new build? Trying for right at $1000.00

Non gaming machine. Will need audio and video editing and multiple virtual machines running.

What about this?

GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD4P LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$169.99
. .
XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
$174.99
. .
CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX 620W ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible ... - Retail
$149.99 ( considering going dual cards later, but might go cheaper)
. .
Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I7860 - Retail
$289.99
. .
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
$229.98 -- This is for 8GB total
. .
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long ... - Retail , but out of stock
$29.98

Subtotal: $1,044.92


Thanks for your input

 

[jae]

Non-gaming machine so don't see the reason for 5-series gpu, go with 4650 can get the job done. I believe Corsair have a 750w psu for $99 after rebate. For i7 processors you need triple channel ram. Cant comment on heatsink.

 

[fffblackmage]

LGA1156 Core i7's dont support triple channel ram.

 

[MindProbe]

LGA1156 Core i7's dont support triple channel ram.

right right....hence going with 8gb instead of 6gb. If i went the 1366 route, i would have looked for a 6gb kit.


I am kind of worried about the memory though. I know certain heatsinks with the 1156 do not leave much room for your RAM.

 

[MindProbe]

I changed a few things and added the combo for the MB and CPU. What do you think about this build now?

cmon guys.....any other suggestions? I'm concerned with the memory as well. Any help with the RAM? suggestions


XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
$174.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 ... - Retail
$99.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
$229.98 - 8 GB total - I am wondering if this is compatable w/this board and aftermarket heatsink/fan. Will they fit?
($114.99 each)

Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I7860 - Retail
Model #:BX80605I7860
$289.99

GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD4P LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard w/ USB 3.0 & SATA 6 Gb/s - Retail
Model #:GA-P55A-UD4P
$184.99

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long ... - Retail , but out of stock
$29.98





Did you guys like the ABS Black Pearl case Newegg once carried? Would you recommend this for these parts?

 

[lothar]

CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX for $149.99?
Talk about anal rape.

You might want to double check to make sure your cooler allows you to use all the RAM slots before buying extra sticks first.

 

[yh125d]

Get a Truepower new 750. $95 AR

More power, better eff/stability, etc



And yeah, 5770 is a waste for no gaming. Get a 4350 or something

 

[SniperWulf]

I'd drop the 5770 and go with something for much much less. Like a 4350 or 8400 GS. Technically, you can go with a much smaller PSU too. Even OC'd a good 400-500watt unit will suffice for what your wanting to accomplish.

 

[MindProbe]

CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX for $149.99?
Talk about anal rape.

You might want to double check to make sure your cooler allows you to use all the RAM slots before buying extra sticks first.

yessssss.....i have been wondering about this. It is apparently hard to find a good CPU heatsink/fan for 1156.

 

[MindProbe]

I have been all over this forum trying to piece together a new rig. How does this look?

Latest update:

XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
$174.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 ... - Retail
$99.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
$229.98 - 8 GB total - I am wondering if this is compatable w/this board and aftermarket heatsink/fan. Will they fit?
($114.99 each)

Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I7860 - Retail
Model #:BX80605I7860
$289.99

GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD4P LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard w/ USB 3.0 & SATA 6 Gb/s - Retail
Model #:GA-P55A-UD4P
$184.99

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long ... - Retail , but out of stock
$29.98

Now I am almost thinking I should go the 1366 route due to the 6/8 cores coming up next year. I mean this current hypothetical rig will blow away my current rig, but now I am stuck considering 1366 instead of 1156.

Any help? What would you do with a $1000.00ish budget?

 

[davidrees]

It does not seem like you are listening to people that say that you don't need the 5770.

You say it is not a gaming rig, but you have a card that is probably not a great gaming card, but yet is still over kill for a non gaming system and you also mention wanting to go dual card later.

You also have a $1000 budget but you want to be ready for the 6 core chips in a year that will cost over $1000 for just the CPU. That's cool, in the future, I have a lot more money too. Just sayin.

Also, where is your storage?

What are you doing with video and virtual machines? If you are really using virtualization in a serious way, 8GB is probably not enough RAM and you should go to the 1366 platform to allow you to get 24GB of RAM - it will not fit in your budget, but at least you will have the option.

Also, if you are doing serious video work, I would think you would have a serious storage solution - maybe you already have it in place?

Finally, I don't keep up, but I think the nvidia platform will probably better serve you for video work as I think there are various transcoders and such that run CUDA. Drop the 5770 and get an nvidia 260 - I think they are about the same price and then you can run whatever it is video people run that uses CUDA. I am sure it is awesome.

 

[MindProbe]

It does not seem like you are listening to people that say that you don't need the 5770.

You say it is not a gaming rig, but you have a card that is probably not a great gaming card, but yet is still over kill for a non gaming system and you also mention wanting to go dual card later.

You also have a $1000 budget but you want to be ready for the 6 core chips in a year that will cost over $1000 for just the CPU. That's cool, in the future, I have a lot more money too. Just sayin.

Also, where is your storage?

What are you doing with video and virtual machines? If you are really using virtualization in a serious way, 8GB is probably not enough RAM and you should go to the 1366 platform to allow you to get 24GB of RAM - it will not fit in your budget, but at least you will have the option.

Also, if you are doing serious video work, I would think you would have a serious storage solution - maybe you already have it in place?

Finally, I don't keep up, but I think the nvidia platform will probably better serve you for video work as I think there are various transcoders and such that run CUDA. Drop the 5770 and get an nvidia 260 - I think they are about the same price and then you can run whatever it is video people run that uses CUDA. I am sure it is awesome.

well....the 5770? i mean i still plan on having this hooked up to a nice LCD and I don't plan on upgrading the video card for at least a year (maybe 2) so i wanted to go ahead and throw something in there at least ok.

Virtual machines are for testing Cisco/networking/OS scenarios. Video editing is for the company i work for and I will have to bring work home randomly to work on.


It is definitely not a gaming machine, but it will be used for several different things. I will also use some audio editing apps on here. I will def check the nvidia 260 you are talking about.

No...i'm not made of money and I would NEVER drop a grand for a CPU, but i guess i wouldn't mind the chance of throwing one in there once the price drops down the road.

I agree...8 gb is not a lot for a virtual environment, but I also don't have the money to throw 24gb in there.

There will not be more than 2 or 3 virtual machines running at any given time.


I haven't brought up storage bc I have that under control. I have several 10,000rpm drives and several TB drives i plan on using. I have a protools audio card I plan on using. I have several cases I am tossing around right now.

My main concerns were the compatability issues w the parts I listed. Trust me......i have been debating 1156 vs 1366, but I am definitely trying to stay at a grand.

at some point....i plan on simply turning this into a file server / media center to connect in my home office.

Thank you for your input. Much appreciated.

Is this the nvidia card you referenced? So this is better than the ATI 5770?

EVGA 896-P3-1255-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Model #:896-P3-1255-AR
$189.99

 

[elconejito]

What video program are you using? If it's premiere, don't bother looking for CUDA apps because the ONLY card it will work with is the $2000 workstation card (I forget the model).

If you're using some other program that uses CUDA, let us know.

***otherwise*** you don't need a 5770. As has been mentioned an ATI 4350 will do ALL you need and then some. multiple monitors, no matter the screen size are no problem for any recent (meaning within last 3-4 yrs) video card. The ATI 4350 will DE-code almost any video you can shake a stick at (same as other cheapo options). No video card will help with EN-coding except for the $2k workstation card I mentioned above (caveat, unless whatever other program ur using supports CUDA to EN-code).

If you plan on gaming, then yeah the 4350 is going to be quite painful. But even then, don't get the 5770 or GTX 260. Look for a 4850 or 4870 which will be between $100 and $150.

But if I were in your shoes, I'd pick up the ATI 4350 for $50 (probly less) and take $100+ you would have spent on the video card towards the 1366...

 

[davidrees]

Ok, that is some good clarification.

Yes, the video card you listed is what I was talking about. As elconejito said, you may or may not be able to use CUDA and he has some good advice on the ATI cards.

I personally have a Gigabyte 4850 1GB with a fanless cooler and I freaking LOVE this card. So as someone with a 4850 who is extremely happy with it, I would still try to nudge you toward an nvidia card for the possibility of running CUDA applications. It's going to depend on the software and what you are doing, but options may emerge that do not exist right now.

Also, I have a strong bias against limited bandwidth video cards like the 47xx and 67xx series. If you just want to be able to play some decent games once in a while then yes, get a 4830 or 4850 - these are powerful cards, available cheap and will perform well for the vast majority of moderate gamers.

I think either the 920 or 860 will be fine. See which one you can get the best deal on including memory. Also see what it would take to get 12GB on the 1366 platform. Make sure you include the cost of an aftermarket HSF if you plan to use one. Between those two, I would either go by cost or by the amount of memory you can get for a price point - either 6/12 on the 920 or 8 on the 860.

 

[fffblackmage]

Ok, that is some good clarification.
Also, I have a strong bias against limited bandwidth video cards like the 47xx and 67xx series. If you just want to be able to play some decent games once in a while then yes, get a 4830 or 4850 - these are powerful cards, available cheap and will perform well for the vast majority of moderate gamers.

Limited bandwidth doesn't really matter if you're not utilizing it very often. It's also how you get cheaper cards anyways.

I think either the 920 or 860 will be fine. See which one you can get the best deal on including memory. Also see what it would take to get 12GB on the 1366 platform. Make sure you include the cost of an aftermarket HSF if you plan to use one. Between those two, I would either go by cost or by the amount of memory you can get for a price point - either 6/12 on the 920 or 8 on the 860.

+1
I would also recommend looking at LGA1366 based i7's with as much ram as you can get.
You should be able to stay under a grand on such a set-up if you can let go of getting a gaming video card, since you're not gaming.... $200 is too much when you can just get something around $50 and still not be losing out on anything.

 

[crimson117]

I know you've said it's not a gaming-centered machine, but to clarify: Do you plan to play any 3D games on it at all?

If you plan to play any 3D games on it at all, and you want it to last a while, grab a 4830, or 4850, or 5750, or 5770. (any one is fine, based on room in your budget)

If this is strictly a work machine and you won't be installing any 3D games at all, then as others have said: save your money and grab a Radeon 4350 for $25 ($35-$10 rebate). Aside from gaming performance, it does everything a 4850 does, and it also saves power/heat compared to a 4850.

 

[davidrees]

My point about the cards is that very often what happens is that gamers on a budget pick the new generation of "crippled" video cards so they can get some new feature like DX10, DX10.1 or DX11, etc when really if they shopped around, they can buy a previous gen card that will run their games much better and probably cost the same or less.

The video companies hype the new feature sets and don't really disclose how much of a performance difference there is on the second tier cards.

For the $179, he could get a 4890 card which would shred the 5770 in terms of game performance or he could get a 4830/4850 card that would be equal or superior in performance at a fraction of the cost. This is pure opinion based on what I personally value (performance) and not everyone will come to the same conclusion even with the same information.

You make a good point though - he should drop to a really cheap video card and roll the money into a more robust platform or more memory.

 

[MindProbe]

What video program are you using? If it's premiere, don't bother looking for CUDA apps because the ONLY card it will work with is the $2000 workstation card (I forget the model).

If you're using some other program that uses CUDA, let us know.

***otherwise*** you don't need a 5770. As has been mentioned an ATI 4350 will do ALL you need and then some. multiple monitors, no matter the screen size are no problem for any recent (meaning within last 3-4 yrs) video card. The ATI 4350 will DE-code almost any video you can shake a stick at (same as other cheapo options). No video card will help with EN-coding except for the $2k workstation card I mentioned above (caveat, unless whatever other program ur using supports CUDA to EN-code).

If you plan on gaming, then yeah the 4350 is going to be quite painful. But even then, don't get the 5770 or GTX 260. Look for a 4850 or 4870 which will be between $100 and $150.

But if I were in your shoes, I'd pick up the ATI 4350 for $50 (probly less) and take $100+ you would have spent on the video card towards the 1366...

yes...it would be Adobe Premiere.Hmm....ok. About to check on some of those other cards.

So a $50 dollar card for video editing? really?

 

[MindProbe]

Ok, that is some good clarification.

Yes, the video card you listed is what I was talking about. As elconejito said, you may or may not be able to use CUDA and he has some good advice on the ATI cards.

I personally have a Gigabyte 4850 1GB with a fanless cooler and I freaking LOVE this card. So as someone with a 4850 who is extremely happy with it, I would still try to nudge you toward an nvidia card for the possibility of running CUDA applications. It's going to depend on the software and what you are doing, but options may emerge that do not exist right now.

Also, I have a strong bias against limited bandwidth video cards like the 47xx and 67xx series. If you just want to be able to play some decent games once in a while then yes, get a 4830 or 4850 - these are powerful cards, available cheap and will perform well for the vast majority of moderate gamers.

I think either the 920 or 860 will be fine. See which one you can get the best deal on including memory. Also see what it would take to get 12GB on the 1366 platform. Make sure you include the cost of an aftermarket HSF if you plan to use one. Between those two, I would either go by cost or by the amount of memory you can get for a price point - either 6/12 on the 920 or 8 on the 860.

Yea...i thought about that: 6/12 on the 920 or 8 on the 860

I am still debating

Yes....i would like to actually do multiple things w my video card, but games are pretty far down on the list. I mainly just use xbox for that.

I believe I was shooting or the 4870 when I initially started this thread, but changed due to others opinions. Hmm.....i'll have to look at some of these again.

Thanks again

 

[MindProbe]

I know you've said it's not a gaming-centered machine, but to clarify: Do you plan to play any 3D games on it at all?

If you plan to play any 3D games on it at all, and you want it to last a while, grab a 4830, or 4850, or 5750, or 5770. (any one is fine, based on room in your budget)

If this is strictly a work machine and you won't be installing any 3D games at all, then as others have said: save your money and grab a Radeon 4350 for $25 ($35-$10 rebate). Aside from gaming performance, it does everything a 4850 does, and it also saves power/heat compared to a 4850.

Well....i would like the "ability" to play 3d games ---yes. Will i do it much...no


So really? that 4350?

 

[MindProbe]

My point about the cards is that very often what happens is that gamers on a budget pick the new generation of "crippled" video cards so they can get some new feature like DX10, DX10.1 or DX11, etc when really if they shopped around, they can buy a previous gen card that will run their games much better and probably cost the same or less.

The video companies hype the new feature sets and don't really disclose how much of a performance difference there is on the second tier cards.

For the $179, he could get a 4890 card which would shred the 5770 in terms of game performance or he could get a 4830/4850 card that would be equal or superior in performance at a fraction of the cost. This is pure opinion based on what I personally value (performance) and not everyone will come to the same conclusion even with the same information.

You make a good point though - he should drop to a really cheap video card and roll the money into a more robust platform or more memory.

see....i really liked the reviews of the 4890, but all i heard was 5770 , 5770 , 58xx, etc.

 

[MindProbe]

OK....so i compared the 1156 vs the 1366 w your opinions/options and this is what I found so far (what do you think?) :

1366 System

ASUS EAH4350 SILENT/DI/512MD2(LP) Radeon HD 4350 512MB 64-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 CrossFire Supported Low Profile Ready ... - Retail
$34.99

Antec TruePower New TP-750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ... - Retail
$114.95

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
$6.99

CORSAIR XMS3 12GB (6 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model HX3X12G1600C9 G - Retail
$319.99

ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$289.99

Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
$288.99

Subtotal: $1,055.90
Tax: $97.95

Grand Total: $1,156.84

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1156 System


ASUS EAH4350 SILENT/DI/512MD2(LP) Radeon HD 4350 512MB 64-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 CrossFire Supported Low Profile Ready ... - Retail

Antec TruePower New TP-750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ... - Retail
$114.95

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
$6.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
$239.98
($119.99 each)

GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD4P LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard w/ USB 3.0 & SATA 6 Gb/s - Retail
$184.99

Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I7860 - Retail
$289.99
Subtotal: $871.89
Tax: $81.54

Grand Total: $963.08

 

[elconejito]

yes...it would be Adobe Premiere.Hmm....ok. About to check on some of those other cards.

So a $50 dollar card for video editing? really?

Yes. The primary use of the GPU is video decoding, and some of the previews of effects. That's it. You don't need a heavy duty video card for that. There is only one card that does video ENcoding and that is the Quadro CX which lists for about $2k.

Everything else is constrained by your CPU, RAM, and HDD

Some other programs (like Avid, Vegas, etc) may make more or less use of the GPU, you'd have to check with them. If you're using After Effects then depending on what it is your doing, you may get some benefit from a beefier card as I think *some* of their filters use the GPU.

But on the whole... yeah the GPU acceleration is CS4 is highly overrated. A little bit goes a long way.

As has been mentioned though, if you do want to game just a little there are some really good options in the $100 to $150 range that will be better for you than the 5770 (unless you need one of the new features... which is doubtful).

 

[elconejito]

OK....so i compared the 1156 vs the 1366 w your opinions/options and this is what I found so far (what do you think?) :

1366 System
...snip...
Grand Total: $1,156.84

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1156 System
...snip...
Grand Total: $963.08

I think in both cases, you can get the motherboards a bit cheaper. Closer to $200 for the 1366 and closer to $150 for the 1156. Or is there some specific feature on them that you need?

In both cases, that savings is enough for a nice aftermarket HSF. You've got Arctic Silver in both lists, you don't need it if you're going with the stock HSF (it already has a pad attached IIRC).

As it stands now, you've got a 1156 only $100 cheaper than the 1366. Personally, I'd go with the 1366 since it gives you the option of 12GB RAM and potential for Gulftown (8 cores?) later on down the road (assuming they aren't priced at $1k as has been rumored...).

However... if you go with the 1156 setup... you've still got 8GB in there which is alot. And it gives you the budget to add a GPU for games, or just stick the cash in your pocket, or use it to upgrade something else.

 

[davidrees]

Your 1156 motherboard is the one with the new SATA and USB3 chips. I personally think it is too early - the implementations are not going to be optimized and you are paying a premium for them.

I would recommend a $100-140 Gigabyte 1156 board if you go that way.

You can probably save on the 1366 board too.

All in all, it looks like for the money, you should go 1366 if for no other reason than the increased RAM capacity and performance.