What do you think about prison rape?

[Stunt]

Do you have a solution Infohawk?...It's pretty obvious your poll is in favour of rape being bad (surprise surprise!)
It's one thing to recognize the problem, this has been known forever...any relevance to "News".

You article was from 2003 and the beating that you bolded was 1968...
maybe you could dig up information on how the "Prison Rape Elimination Act" is doing, maybe we found some legislation brought in under Bush that Infohawk likes!

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Do you have a solution Infohawk?

I suggested some regarding keeping them separated and such.

...It's pretty obvious your poll is in favour of rape being bad (surprise surprise!)

Do you mean the poll isn't fair or that there is a pattern?

It's one thing to recognize the problem, this has been known forever...any relevance to "News".

Politics isn't good enough for you?

You article was from 2003 and the beating that you bolded was 1968...

And?

maybe you could dig up information on how the "Prison Rape Elimination Act" is doing,

If you think it's useful, go for it.

maybe we found some legislation brought in under Bush that Infohawk likes!

Yes, I think I made it pretty clear.

 

[Stunt]

Your poll has a pattern, unsurprising results is all.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Riprorin

What do you think about prison rape?

I think it's bad.

I think rape is bad.

CsG

I concur.

<-------------questions the need to ask the question...

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
<-------------questions the need to ask the question...

Ask the eight people that said it wasn't a problem.

 

[Stunt]

Perhaps they don't care for the scum of society, realize the solutions are likely expensive and not worth our efforts. As long as people fear prison, they will commit less crimes. Celebrities and rich people have very little to fear in going to jail these days as they are more like country clubs than a place for society's trash.

(voted for "it's a problem")

 

[tommywishbone]

I can only speak for the California prison system, the US Federal prison system and the prison system of Venezuela, and in the case of those systems, prison rape is very uncommon. The homosexual population of the prisons is huge. Sex is readily available and rape is seldom required. Does it happen... yes. Is it the norm.... absolutely not. As in the real world, prison sex can sometimes cost a few bucks, but frequently it is free. Rape is often..... unpleasant, and is to be avoided if possible. My knowledge in this field does not come from books, conversations, rumors or studies. Thank you.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
I can only speak for the California prison system, the US Federal prison system and the prison system of Venezuela, and in the case of those systems, prison rape is very uncommon. The homosexual population of the prisons is huge. Sex is readily available and rape is seldom required. Does it happen... yes. Is it the norm.... absolutely not. As in the real world, prison sex can sometimes cost a few bucks, but frequently it is free. Rape is often..... unpleasant, and is to be avoided if possible. My knowledge in this field does not come from books, conversations, rumors or studies. Thank you.

So when it does happen, why is it? Randomness? Or like in the movies when someone is weak or a newcomer? (I'm not going to ask where your knowledge does come from).

 

[Crimson]

Ever been inside a Turkish prison?

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Perhaps they don't care for the scum of society, realize the solutions are likely expensive and not worth our efforts. As long as people fear prison, they will commit less crimes. Celebrities and rich people have very little to fear in going to jail these days as they are more like country clubs than a place for society's trash.

(voted for "it's a problem")

Okay, so basically you're telling us what we already knew: perhaps the people who voted "no" for number 2 are the real scum.

Let's see, scum of society... sort of like this demon. Preventing rape is hardly worth our hard earned capital, and because they are in prison and therefore evil, protecting them from violent sexual predators looking to take advantage of people is hardly worth our effort. After all, scaring people into not doing bad things is much better than rooting out the problem of crime at its source. But hey, only celebrities and shite go to jail anyway, and everybody knows they do their time at the Hilton.

You may believe (as you say) that "it's a problem", however, your use of the word "realize" in your post rather than "believe" lends your post an entirely negative and revelatory connotation.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Ever been inside a Turkish prison?

I highly recommend that people reading this thread watch that movie.

 

[DealMonkey]

Maybe he was a consultant on "OZ?"

 

[Stunt]

Kogase, it is a problem...at least i believe it is. I made the post to throw something out there as Infohawk seems to be looking for the people who voted No in his poll. What's the point of discussing if everyone all agrees that rape is bad?

With regards to "realize", I not certain on how much eliminating rape from prisons would cost...wasn't the best word to use, I am all for low cost solutions, however i do believe there is a point where you have small occurances and total elimination of the activity is just beyond rational investment.

Sorry if i cannot read minds and I'm telling you things you already know

 

[tommywishbone]

"So when it does happen, why does it happen..."

It is a good tool of revenge and the aggressor knows that it will brand the victum for their entire prison sentence. It is much more effective than a straight beat-down as the stigma will remain. If you get beat-down, when the bruises & cuts heal, it is forgotten...with rape the damage & reputation is always there.

Currently in most US prisons, local district attorneys have no problem bringing you out of prison and charging you with a new or additional crime. If you have a release date, rape can add years to your sentence and that type of prosecution (for various crimes commited in custody) is not unusual. When doing time in level 3 or 4 joints aka supermax, rape is a bit more acceptable/common but still to be avoided by both parties, unless it is deemed mandatory. Beleive it or not, in the pen there are many situations in which you are almost required to punish someone or you will be punished yourself and sometimes rape is the prefered weapon.

I have never, not even once, seen a case where the rape was for the sex. There are days in the joint where you will turn down offers for sex (how can I say this..... where you are pitching and not catching). So, if you need sex, there is no need to risk years more in the slam, when it is available just for the asking. Funny, I know.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Beleive it or not, in the pen there are many situations in which you are almost required to punish someone or you will be punished yourself and sometimes rape is the prefered weapon.

That sounds horrible. Why do you have to punish someone? What's an example?

 

[Stunt]

Interesting stuff tommywishbone, although the first hand knowledge is a little disturbing...

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Kogase, it is a problem...at least i believe it is. I made the post to throw something out there as Infohawk seems to be looking for the people who voted No in his poll. What's the point of discussing if everyone all agrees that rape is bad?

The hope was that maybe they would actually have valid reasons to believe that it isn't a problem. Or at least I imagine so. We already know that there are just dicks out there.

With regards to "realize", I not certain on how much eliminating rape from prisons would cost...wasn't the best word to use, I am all for low cost solutions, however i do believe there is a point where you have small occurances and total elimination of the activity is just beyond rational investment.

I wouldn't disagree with the first part of that sentence: "are likely expensive". I was much more concerned with the second part: "not worth our efforts". No effort is too great for the insurance of liberty.

Sorry if i cannot read minds and I'm telling you things you already know

I have been known to be appeased with fine hecatombs and succulent sweet meats.

 

[Stunt]

"not worth our efforts". No effort is too great for the insurance of liberty.

There is a point where it is not worth it. For example, we could have a cop for every 5 people and we'd still have violence. Although i'm sure there would be much less, there's a point where things just get excessive and not worth the investment. Especially for the people who have abused their liberties.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Stunt

"not worth our efforts". No effort is too great for the insurance of liberty.

There is a point where it is not worth it. For example, we could have a cop for every 5 people and we'd still have violence. Although i'm sure there would be much less, there's a point where things just get excessive and not worth the investment. Especially for the people who have abused their liberties.

Okay, point conceded. Although the most you could actually have is 1 cop per person (you'd have to be your own cop). Cracking down on rape in prison is very much worth the effort though, I think. Also, as it is clearly a subjective consideration, my argument for the word "believe" over "realize" is still all the more valid. Also, that is hardly cause for suggesting that rape in prison isn't a problem. It is most closely a cause for suggesting that it is not a problem we should invest time and effort into.

I still want those hecatombs.

 

[tommywishbone]

An example....

Keep in mind that everything in prison, California & Federal, is based on race. Where you sleep. Where you eat. Where you exercise. Where you work, everything. As an example; let's say that a Mexican guy cuts in front of you (you are white) at the canteen (little prison store) and doesn't excuse himself or ask your permission. Well, he has just disrespected not just you, but the entire white race. I'm not kidding. If others (whites) see this event take place, you will be required to avenge this wrong. You have three choices; attack the Mexican guy, roll it up aka go to the cops and ask for PC/protective custody, or get a beat-down by other whites. This type of situation is not to be taken lightly. This type of situation would most likely not require the maximum punishement (rape/death), if you did not avenge the wrong, but you would absolutely have to pay the consequences.

I hope this makes some sense... when it happens in the joint it makes no sense, but it make perfect sense. Strange, I know.

Oh, Turkish prison, no. Good movie though.

 

[Gravity]

Prison rape is a terrible thing. I run a detention center for boys and girls. Some people want them to be treated harshley as a "deterent". I think they are fools. Kids, most anyway, are still maleable and should be treated as if they will one day be taxpayers.

Having said that about kids, prison is a revocation of your freedeom. Rape is not part of the sentencing but we, as a society, have turned a blind eye to it for as long as prison has existed. We have defacto approved of it.

If you want further insight into the prison / human dignity depravation read "then my soul said to me" by Dr. Bob Roberts. It's about prison and the treatment inmates receive, the culture that prisons create and the fact that we aren't rehabing anyone but actually creating men that need and desire to be incarcerated.

Interesting thread,

Gravity

 

[shurato]

Watch the HBO series OZ if you think prison rape is funny. And a little off topic but boy did that show really start getting unbelievable and wacky in the later seasons or what.