What do you think about Peterson being charged with double homicide?

[Riprorin]

Double post.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
What I find to be reprehensible is that some Pro Life Fundie Whacko would use this situation to promote his views.

Do you having anything substantive to add besides name calling and as hominem attacks?

Yeah that I find it in poor taste that someone like you would use this situation (topic) to promote your moral beliefs. Of course for you and those like you the means justify the ends.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Personally as long as whoever is responsible for this dies, I don't care whether they're convicted of one murder or two.

The only thing that keeps going through my mind is the horror that she must have felt realizing that a person she trusted completely, loved, etc. was going to harm her.

If he did it, I hope he burns.

Viper GTS

My thoughts exactly... I cannot comprehend the horror that must have been this woman's last hours on earth.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

It will be interesting to see how this shapes up in the legal system and how it will be affected by the determinations in Roe vs. Wade. If the fetus counts as a murder, that puts abortion proponents in a bit of an awkward position.

Not at all. Here, lemme splain...

If I cut my finger off, its not a crime. If you cut my finger off with my consent, still not a crime.

If you cut my finger off maliciously without my consent, that's a crime.

Its a crime, yes, but finger chopping and non-consentual fetus killings are prosecuted under two different statues. If I chop off your finger, I'm going to get charged with assault or something similar, not murder (unless you die from it). Your finger dying after being chopped off is not sufficient to bring a murder charge.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
What I find to be reprehensible is that some Pro Life Fundie Whacko would use this situation to promote his views.

Do you having anything substantive to add besides name calling and as hominem attacks?

Yeah that I find it in poor taste that someone like you would use this situation (topic) to promote your moral beliefs. Of course for you and those like you the means justify the ends.

If this tragic event causes us to rexamine the value of humane life, both born and unborn, then maybe some good will come of it.

By the way, I'm not sure who "those" people are that you are referring to. I speak for myself.

 

[Red Dawn]

If this tragic event causes us to rexamine the value of humane life, both born and unborn, then maybe some good will come of it.

Nothing good will come out of this senseless tragedy no matter how you and those like you try to spin it.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

If this tragic event causes us to rexamine the value of humane life, both born and unborn, then maybe some good will come of it.

Nothing good will come out of this senseless tragedy no matter how you and those like you try to spin it.

"You and those"? Are you for real?

A lot of good has come from tragic events. You're just to blind and cynical to see it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

If this tragic event causes us to rexamine the value of humane life, both born and unborn, then maybe some good will come of it.

Nothing good will come out of this senseless tragedy no matter how you and those like you try to spin it.

"You and those"? Are you for real?

A lot of good has come from tragic events. You're just to blind and cynical to see it.

Yeah the good for you that will come out of this is that you will be able to capitalize on it to promote your views on abortion.

 

[Drekce]

You stinking abortion rights people drive me nuts. This IS a double homicide.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

If this tragic event causes us to rexamine the value of humane life, both born and unborn, then maybe some good will come of it.

Nothing good will come out of this senseless tragedy no matter how you and those like you try to spin it.

"You and those"? Are you for real?

A lot of good has come from tragic events. You're just to blind and cynical to see it.

Yeah the good for you that will come out of this is that you will be able to capitalize on it to promote your views on abortion.

As I said, you're just showing how blind and cynical you are.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

If this tragic event causes us to rexamine the value of humane life, both born and unborn, then maybe some good will come of it.

Nothing good will come out of this senseless tragedy no matter how you and those like you try to spin it.

"You and those"? Are you for real?

A lot of good has come from tragic events. You're just to blind and cynical to see it.

Yeah the good for you that will come out of this is that you will be able to capitalize on it to promote your views on abortion.

As I said, you're just showing how blind and cynical you are.

According to you.

 

[Riprorin]

Here's just one example of the good that can come out of senseless tragedy:

Columbine Redemption

Mission Statement

The Columbine Redemption is a 501C3 nonprofit organization founded by Darrell Scott, father of Columbine victim, Rachel Joy Scott. Darrell has spoken before millions of people through personal appearances, television, radio, and printed media. He spoke before a House Judiciary Committee in May of 1999. That speech became one of the most published articles on the internet, opening numerous doors of opportunity, which Darrell has used to motivate, educate, and bring positive change to many young people. The following are some of the goals of The Columbine Redemption:


1. To establish a lasting program called ?Rachel's Challenge? that will train young people to reach out to those in their schools who are handicapped, neglected, new to the school, and picked on by others. The antidote to violence is acts of kindness. This involves large rallies, literature, and follow-up.

2. To establish a lasting program called ?Adopt-A-School? that will show community leaders, organizations, businessmen, and churches how to get involved in practical ways with their local schools. This involves meeting with community leaders, literature, and follow-up.

3. To equip a team of people who are dedicated to carrying a message of change and triumph to cities, schools, universities, and churches everywhere. This involves large rallies, literature, and follow-up.

4. To provide on-going information and education about our nation's spiritual heritage. This includes biographies and quotes of our founding fathers.


How many lives do you think one life has touched?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Here's just one example of the good that can come out of senseless tragedy:

Columbine Redemption

Mission Statement

The Columbine Redemption is a 501C3 nonprofit organization founded by Darrell Scott, father of Columbine victim, Rachel Joy Scott. Darrell has spoken before millions of people through personal appearances, television, radio, and printed media. He spoke before a House Judiciary Committee in May of 1999. That speech became one of the most published articles on the internet, opening numerous doors of opportunity, which Darrell has used to motivate, educate, and bring positive change to many young people. The following are some of the goals of The Columbine Redemption:


1. To establish a lasting program called ?Rachel's Challenge? that will train young people to reach out to those in their schools who are handicapped, neglected, new to the school, and picked on by others. The antidote to violence is acts of kindness. This involves large rallies, literature, and follow-up.

2. To establish a lasting program called ?Adopt-A-School? that will show community leaders, organizations, businessmen, and churches how to get involved in practical ways with their local schools. This involves meeting with community leaders, literature, and follow-up.

3. To equip a team of people who are dedicated to carrying a message of change and triumph to cities, schools, universities, and churches everywhere. This involves large rallies, literature, and follow-up.

4. To provide on-going information and education about our nation's spiritual heritage. This includes biographies and quotes of our founding fathers.


How many lives do you think one life has touched?

What's this have to do with you using this tragedy to promote your religious views on abortion ?

 

[Riprorin]

I gave the example of Rachel Scott because it reinforces my point that good can come out of human tragedy, something that you seem unable to grasp.

What good can come out of the Peterson case? I don't know, I'm not God.

As I said, maybe there will be a greater appreciation of human life, especially the lives of the unborn.

 

[Siddhartha]

I was once accused of something I did not do. Some people assumed that I did it becaused I was accused of it. Ever since I try to keep an open mind about these things.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I gave the example of Rachel Scott because it reinforces my point that good can come out of human tragedy, something that you seem unable to grasp.

What good can come out of the Peterson case? I don't know, I'm not God.

As I said, maybe there will be a greater appreciation of human life, especially the lives of the unborn.

Yes but to use this tragedy to promote your religiously fueled opinion regarding abortion is in poor taste IMO.

 

[iwearnosox]

Cut the abortion crap out, nobody would argue an 8 month old is simply a fetus regardless of your pro-life stance.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I gave the example of Rachel Scott because it reinforces my point that good can come out of human tragedy, something that you seem unable to grasp.

What good can come out of the Peterson case? I don't know, I'm not God.

As I said, maybe there will be a greater appreciation of human life, especially the lives of the unborn.

Yes but to use this tragedy to promote your religiously fueled opinion regarding abortion is in poor taste IMO.

Maybe so, but did you criticize Michael Moore for using the Columbine tragedy to push his agenda. I doubt it.

Millions of unborn infants are killed every year. Where's the outrage from the non-relgious left over that?

"Partial-birth" abortion is performed in the second and third trimesters and entails (1) inducing a breech delivery with forceps, (2) delivering the legs, arms and torso only, (3) puncturing the back of the skull with scissors or a trochar, (4) inserting a suction curette into the skull, (4) suctioning the contents of the skull so as to collapse it, (5) completing the delivery.

I find the above practice abhorent. If you don't, I'm wondering why your outrage is so selective.

I'm sure that opposition to abortion is not limited to religious folk as you suggest.

 

[Spamela]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

It will be interesting to see how this shapes up in the legal system and how it will be affected by the determinations in Roe vs. Wade. If the fetus counts as a murder, that puts abortion proponents in a bit of an awkward position.

Not at all. Here, lemme splain...

If I cut my finger off, its not a crime. If you cut my finger off with my consent, still not a crime.

If you cut my finger off maliciously without my consent, that's a crime.

the problem with this analogy is that your finger doesn't have a beating heart & brain waves.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I gave the example of Rachel Scott because it reinforces my point that good can come out of human tragedy, something that you seem unable to grasp.

What good can come out of the Peterson case? I don't know, I'm not God.

As I said, maybe there will be a greater appreciation of human life, especially the lives of the unborn.

Yes but to use this tragedy to promote your religiously fueled opinion regarding abortion is in poor taste IMO.

Maybe so, but did you criticize Michael Moore for using the Columbine tragedy to push his agenda. I doubt it.

Millions of unborn infants are killed every year. Where's the outrage from the non-relgious left over that?

"Partial-birth" abortion is performed in the second and third trimesters and entails (1) inducing a breech delivery with forceps, (2) delivering the legs, arms and torso only, (3) puncturing the back of the skull with scissors or a trochar, (4) inserting a suction curette into the skull, (4) suctioning the contents of the skull so as to collapse it, (5) completing the delivery.

I find the above practice abhorent. If you don't, I'm wondering why your outrage is so selective.

I'm sure that opposition to abortion is not limited to religious folk as you suggest.

WTF? Who said I am supporter of Micheal Moore? I haven't even seen the movie and if I do see it the only reason would be for entertainment value, not because I believe the Second Ammendment should be repealed. Frankly I don't believe that will ever happened due to American Societies love of it's fire arms. Hell I even like popping off a few rounds at the range myself though I don't personally own a gun.



All I said is that I thought it was in poor taste to use this tragic incident to promote your religious views on abortion. If it turns out that Peterson murdered his wife trying to give her a late term abortion in his garage then and only then will the subject of abortion be appropriate when it comes to discussing this tragedy. Otherwise anyone who brings it up is just being fanatical about their beliefs.

 

[Riprorin]

Oh, when someone happens to disagree with you then they are fanatics?

You do like labeling and vilifying people don't you?

Have you gotten all of the name calling out of the way yet?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Oh, when someone happens to disagree with you then they are fanatics?

You do like labeling and vilifying people don't you?

Have you gotten all of the name calling out of the way yet?

No I like expressing my opinion and IMO it is inappropriate to use this tragedy to promote your beliefs regarding abortion especially when this incident had nothing to do with abortion.

BTW I take offense to you labeling me a Left Winger. Just because I'm an Atheist and I believe in Pro Choice doesn't make me a Leftist. I support the Death Penalty in certain cases, I supported our Military Actions in Iraq, I'm not a big fan of Welfare and I believe in States Rights over Federal Rights in most cases.

 

[Tallgeese]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Personally as long as whoever is responsible for this dies, I don't care whether they're convicted of one murder or two.

The only thing that keeps going through my mind is the horror that she must have felt realizing that a person she trusted completely, loved, etc. was going to harm her.

If he did it, I hope he burns.

My thoughts exactly... I cannot comprehend the horror that must have been this woman's last hours on earth.

Laci Peterson's disappearance SERIOUSLY freaked out MTG, since MTG was pregnant at the time Laci went missing, and the Peterson child was due pretty close to PTG2's original due date.

This is a VERY sad thing, no matter how you look at it. 🙁

BTW: IMHO that worthless SOB was about to scram. Glad they nabbed him before he ended up on "America's Most Wanted."

 

[Riprorin]

By the way, I think my point here has been fairly obvious.

When a man kills his pregant wife resulting in the death of his unborn child there is moral outrage, as there should be, and cries for a homicide conviction for the death of the fetus.

When a mother choosed to terminate a pregnancy in late term resulting in (1) inducing a breech delivery with forceps, (2) delivering the legs, arms and torso only, (3) puncturing the back of the skull with scissors or a trochar, (4) inserting a suction curette into the skull, (4) suctioning the contents of the skull so as to collapse it, (5) completing the delivery then for many of these same people that's okay.

To me, there's something wrong with this picture. Not for you?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
By the way, I think my point here has been fairly obvious.

When a man kills his pregant wife resulting in the death of his unborn child there is moral outrage, as there should be, and cries for a homicide conviction for the death of the fetus.

When a mother choosed to terminate a pregnancy in late term resulting in (1) inducing a breech delivery with forceps, (2) delivering the legs, arms and torso only, (3) puncturing the back of the skull with scissors or a trochar, (4) inserting a suction curette into the skull, (4) suctioning the contents of the skull so as to collapse it, (5) completing the delivery then for many of these same people that's okay.

To me, there's something wrong with this picture. Not for you?

There is moral outrage over him killing his wife, pregnant or not. Like I said, the only thing wrong with any picture in this thread is you equating this murder to legal abortions.