So, whadya all think about a graduated income tax? Do you think that's the fairest way to tax, or that it is sorta Communist...or at least Socialist? Tell me what you think!
What Do You Think About Graduated Income Tax?
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It has roots in communism. Take from those who have, give some to those who don't (for whatever reason) and make sure the government keeps a portion to support their tyrannical corruption.
More importantly, any income tax is unconstitutional. The only taxes specified as appropriate in the Constitution were excises, duties, and tarrifs. The 16th Amendment was passed to allow income tax. But the 16th Amendment was never properly ratified. More info here. It is accepted as law, we pay income taxes as if it was law, but IT IS NOT LAW. It is an unconstitutional, illegitimate edict.
The Founders of this Country said in the Declaration of Independance that illegitimate law is simply null and void. If the political machine is powerful enough to enact illegitimate unconstitutional law, then the final responsibility is with the citizenry to see that it is ignored and overthrown.
"But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security." -- The Declaration of Independance of the United States of America (Paragraph 2)
More importantly, any income tax is unconstitutional. The only taxes specified as appropriate in the Constitution were excises, duties, and tarrifs. The 16th Amendment was passed to allow income tax. But the 16th Amendment was never properly ratified. More info here. It is accepted as law, we pay income taxes as if it was law, but IT IS NOT LAW. It is an unconstitutional, illegitimate edict.
The Founders of this Country said in the Declaration of Independance that illegitimate law is simply null and void. If the political machine is powerful enough to enact illegitimate unconstitutional law, then the final responsibility is with the citizenry to see that it is ignored and overthrown.
"But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security." -- The Declaration of Independance of the United States of America (Paragraph 2)
I don't think the present system is fair. No matter how much you make, paying 39% to Uncle Sam so he can spread it around among his favorites isn't right. More government spending isn't the solution, it's the problem. I remember when my father was alive and he paid 50%. Ouch!
It's reality. I've long since given up on "fair" vs. "unfair." It is what it is. 
However, I remember speaking to my congressman once on the issue when, at some town hall type meeting, he asked why people spent so much time dwelling on taxation. I explained that my federal income tax was my biggest single expense. Bigger than food, saving for retirement, even my mortgage. So you can damn well bet I paid attention to it.
<rant> So, I pass off as unproductive the moralizing about "fair" and "fair share" and whatnot. The code is what it is. And, I take every opportunity to use the code to my best advantage to pay the smallest amount of tax I think I'm entitled to pay. That's it. No moral judgement at all; it's a game, and an expensive one, so we all better now how to play. </rant>
However, I remember speaking to my congressman once on the issue when, at some town hall type meeting, he asked why people spent so much time dwelling on taxation. I explained that my federal income tax was my biggest single expense. Bigger than food, saving for retirement, even my mortgage. So you can damn well bet I paid attention to it.
<rant> So, I pass off as unproductive the moralizing about "fair" and "fair share" and whatnot. The code is what it is. And, I take every opportunity to use the code to my best advantage to pay the smallest amount of tax I think I'm entitled to pay. That's it. No moral judgement at all; it's a game, and an expensive one, so we all better now how to play. </rant>
Actually, the 16th Amendment was passed because they were lowering the tarrif--so, they had to make money from somewhere, and they decided to tax incomes. The original tax was 1%, 2%, and 6% for the 3 tax brackets.
The first income tax ever was levied during the Civil War.
If there was not a graduated income tax and no exemptions, there would be, literally, no IRS. No IRS = less money spent by the government = smaller government and smaller taxes! Yeah!
The first income tax ever was levied during the Civil War.
If there was not a graduated income tax and no exemptions, there would be, literally, no IRS. No IRS = less money spent by the government = smaller government and smaller taxes! Yeah!
Other interesting food for thought.
References:
Constitution
US Code
Code of Federal Regulations
Supreme Ct. Findings Online
References:
Constitution
US Code
Code of Federal Regulations
Supreme Ct. Findings Online
whatever brings in the most money and hurts the least people is the best because i don't care about justice or any stupid crap like that.
<< We have graduated taxes in my country, I think it works fairly well. Without the taxes-no public healthcare, no public schools etc and that is not a society I'd want to live in. >>
Yeah, without taxes you buy your OWN healthcare and public schools...and you'd probably end up getting better service since the doctors/teachers, if they don't do good, are in a sense fired and you just find someone else who can do better. =)
BTW I'm not one of those "I'm not going to pay taxes"-type people, I just think they should NOT be graduated and be much smaller--maybe about .00001 percent.
<< whatever brings in the most money and hurts the least people is the best because i don't care about justice or any stupid crap like that. >>
Yup, and that happens to be capitalism...hehe...socialism/Capitalism claim the best for the most but actually it is the "recurring failure"...look at Russia, China, and Cuba...
<< because i don't care about justice or any stupid crap like that >>
Oooh, I'm glad that's the kind of stuff America's producing now...
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