What do you think about Chinese compared to Jewish immigrant history?

[b0mbrman]

As a group, Jews and Chinese in America are both pretty "successful."

Wait, but are they successful? And how did each group come about getting its success?

 

[b0mbrman]

One question is assimilation...you look around a room filled with Americans and you can't tell who is of Jewish origin or not...but you can definitely tell who is of Chinese origin

 

[pulse8]

How can you compare a people of faith to one of race?

 

[777php]

Is this for a paper of some sort?



<< how did each group come about getting its success? >>



Nothing but hard work and perserverence.


WAY OT, but pulse I love your sig. What did you say?

 

[b0mbrman]

Nope. I took the Asian Am class last semester...Someone brought up the term "model minority" here earlier today and I thought up this question...

 

[b0mbrman]

<< How can you compare a people of faith to one of race? >>



Hmmm...well that's part of the question then maybe...I think the parallel *sorta* works.

<< WAY OT, but pulse I love your sig. What did you say? >>

I believe it was a discussion about gay or something...Pulse said something along the lines of "I hate when people do such and such. F*ck them...but wait, that might make them gay"

 

[DDCSpeed]

Honestly, Chinese immigrants are more supressed than Jewish immigrants in America. Like you mentioned that you probably cannot tell who is Jewish unless he/she says so herself. Chinese people are often the laughstock for today's jokes and their work to earn a honest living is overlooked. What people do not understand about the culture, they make fun of it and it is quite sad.

 

[b0mbrman]

Truly...it's pretty commonplace to see anti-Chinese American jokes on TV though people would be put in jail if they made similar jokes about Blacks...

 

[gopunk]

both successful, though in different ways. jewish people tend to achieve success through business and leadership positions, whereas chinese people, while they do business, are less politically oriented and go for academia jobs like medicine and computers.

as a chinese guy, i kinda like the jews... i went to a bat mitzvah once and they had really good food. not jewish food, but i'm just saying, it was good

 

[Wallydraigle]

Jews have their own culture and ethnicity, so it's an apples to apples comparison.

 

[Wallydraigle]

I would have to say that Jews appear to be more successful. There are a lot of wealthy Jews, and that is a common measure of success. They also seem to be accepted by American society more than people of Chinese descent. I agree that there is a huge double standard and Chinese folks are often at the receiving end a jibe that would put someone in jail if it were directed at another minority.

 

[gopunk]

<< Jews have their own culture and ethnicity, so it's an apples to apples comparison. >>

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eh, so do the chinese....

 

[777php]

<< There are a lot of wealthy Jews, and that is a common measure of success. >>



...and there are no wealhy Chinese? Ever drive through a wealthy neighborhood in the Silicon valley?

 

[gopunk]

I would have to say that Jews appear to be more successful. There are a lot of wealthy Jews, and that is a common measure of success. They also seem to be accepted by American society more than people of Chinese descent.

i dunno, i think the reason they're more accepted is because they're white, whereas chinese people are not. also, they're in the public eye more, with a lot of them being politicians and stuff like that. like i said earlier, chinese people take quieter, but still money making jobs.

 

[Ns1]

The Chinese got their sucess because they have been around here a relatively long time (200 years). They enjoyed the benefits of mutual aid societies such as the hui kwan (or something like that) so they could establish themselves a financial foothold. They had chinatown's and mutual support from each other. They respected education and lived thrifty lives, all desiring to own land.


The jews came with their families wanting economic security. they set up businesses serving fellow jews and took up skilled positions. the jews also respected education, and since their parents pressed for the children so hard to go to college, in a matter of generations they were "well to do"

 

[Wallydraigle]

<< << Jews have their own culture and ethnicity, so it's an apples to apples comparison. >>

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eh, so do the chinese.... >>



Exactly. Someone asked how you can compare a faith to a race. But the Jews are not just a faith, that's just one of the things they have in common

 

[HamSupLo]

I have a question about jewish people.......why has there been prevailing anti-semticism throughout history? like someone here mentioned earlier, it's hard to tell a caucasian person is jewish unless they say so. So why do societies persecute them?

 

[gopunk]

my bad, lirion

neuronsynapsis... i dunno. but where i live (seattle), among the chinese people i know, it's kind of weird when you meet a chinese person who's family has been here for a long time. usually even their parents don't speak chinese, and it's just kind of weird. most of the chinese people i know are immigrants, or the sons and daughters of immigrants. but maybe that's just because of where i live...

 

[Wallydraigle]

777php, I never said that there were no wealthy Chinese, I said there were a lot of wealthy Jews

The fact that most Jews are white definitely does have a lot to do with why they have been accepted more by society. Hey, it's not fair but it has made them more successful. Hopefully that's becoming less of an issue as time goes on.

 

[MrHappyMonkey]

<< I have a question about Jewish people.......why has there been prevailing anti-semticism throughout history? like someone here mentioned earlier, it's hard to tell a Caucasian person is Jewish unless they say so. So why do societies persecute them? >>



From what I leaned, most of the anti-semticism against us (I am Jewish) is do partly from envy. Most of the Jewish business owners were fairly successful. Back a long time ago, Jews were banned from most jobs, so they started their own businesses and banks. The Christians at that time were not happy with their success since that was the core thing they were trying to repress from the Jews.



<< I would have to say that Jews appear to be more successful. There are a lot of wealthy Jews, and that is a common measure of success. >>



I don't really like how this statement was worded. Just because you are Jewish does not instantly make you successful. There are plenty of successful Blacks, whites, Christians, Muslims, Atheists, etc. People must EARN their success, it is not something automatically given to them because of their particular religion. As stated before, most Jews are ambitious to learn and be successful because of the oppression that we experienced.

 

[b0mbrman]

<< The Chinese got their sucess because they have been around here a relatively long time (200 years). They enjoyed the benefits of mutual aid societies such as the hui kwan (or something like that) so they could establish themselves a financial foothold. They had chinatown's and mutual support from each other. They respected education and lived thrifty lives, all desiring to own land.


The jews came with their families wanting economic security. they set up businesses serving fellow jews and took up skilled positions. the jews also respected education, and since their parents pressed for the children so hard to go to college, in a matter of generations they were "well to do" >>



Awesome comment...You said that the CHinese have been here a long time and that is why they're successful. Mexican Americans have also been here a long time, as have African Americans (And remember, not *all* were slaves). How do you account for that?

Also, why do Chinese and Jews both respect education?

 

[StormRider]

<< I have a question about jewish people.......why has there been prevailing anti-semticism throughout history? like someone here mentioned earlier, it's hard to tell a caucasian person is jewish unless they say so. So why do societies persecute them?
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It's because Jews have been very successful in the past and they tend to support each other. This makes some non-Jews jealous because they think they "control" everything and have an unfair advantage.

The same thing is happening in Indonesia. In that country, it's the ethnic Chinese that tend to be very successful (business owners etc). There has been lots of harassment against the Chinese there.

Same thing happened with Korean storeowners in black neighborhoods. Some blacks resent seeing Korean making money from them and not seeming to give anything back. Also, there's a cultural misunderstanding because some blacks think that the way some Koreans act is a sign of disrespect (i.e. think they are always yelling at them -- but that's just because of language differences).

Anyways, the tendency of "helping your own kind" sometimes makes outsiders think that Jews, Chineses, Koreans don't care about anyone else except themselves. When my father started his restaurant, he had the help of relatives (with loans, helping out in the restaurant) and he turned away non-Chinese applicants so it can look like Chinese people only hire other Chinese people and that can cause resentment.

 

[StormRider]

<< Also, why do Chinese and Jews both respect education?
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I dunno but my parents always stressed education. Most recent immigrants tend to stress education. The ones who have been here for a few generations tend to perform more like regular Americans in their education and slack off.

 

[Ns1]

<< Awesome comment...You said that the CHinese have been here a long time and that is why they're successful. Mexican Americans have also been here a long time, as have African Americans (And remember, not *all* were slaves). How do you account for that? >>




Sorry, maybe I didn't phrase that correctly.

Mexican Americans- Mexicans were successful before the evil white man scammed away all their land (gold rush era). If you think about it, mexicans in general are successful, except for the illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants come and go with the economy. Things like teh immigration act didn't help, because employers fearful of fines for hiring illegal workers (employers were fined if somebody was not legally able to work in America), just avoided hiring Mexicans in general.

African Americans- I have no freakin clue. Freedom never meant equality. Free blacks were not considered citizens, and it was not until what, 60's civil rights movement that the Black's began to get the respect they deserve? That's what, only 40 years ago? I'm not saying that the Chinese weren't discriminated against, because they were, but let's face the facts here, the Chinese have a tendency of not making a big deal out of things, and taking care of their own business, which was why they weren't discrimated all that badly against in the beginning.

I know for a fact that it was not uncommon for a Chinese American to go to work 8 hours a day then go to night school to get an education, and with Chinese children, it was not uncommon for them to go to American school 7 hours a day followed by Chinese school at night.


Chinese and Jew's respect education because they came from area's of education. I mean the Black's from the very beginning weren't allowed to have an education, whereas the Chinese + Jews set up their own schools and took care of business theirselves. They know that education + property is the key to success, hence they try to achieve both goals.


Btw I just took an ethnic studies class and that's where I'm getting this info from.





<< People must EARN their success, it is not something automatically given to them because of their particular religion. >>


LOVE that comment

 

[FuZoR]

<< The ones who have been here for a few generations tend to perform more like regular Americans in their education and slack off. >>



excuse me my 2.6 gpa rules.... and im only a 1st gen