what do you guys think about P90x for cutting?

[BlahBlahYouToo]

currently doing SS for the past 6 months, feel like it's getting stagnant or i'm plateauing or nearing my genetic max.
i figure this is as big and strong as i'll get.

what about a new program like this one?

 

[lucasorion]

are you at 1.5x body weight for squats?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: lucasorion
are you at 1.5x body weight for squats?

after cutting, just about.
currently weight 160, this friday i did 235 squats.

why?

 

[Deeko]

You think you've reached your genetic max and you're as strong as you'll get...after 6 months of lifting? I find that hard to believe.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: Deeko
You think you've reached your genetic max and you're as strong as you'll get...after 6 months of lifting? I find that hard to believe.

i was lifting well before that.
my current stats:

5'10", 160
squat - 235
bench - 215
DL - 255
OH - 135
row - 160

 

[yelo333]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
currently doing SS for the past 6 months, feel like it's getting stagnant or i'm plateauing or nearing my genetic max.
i figure this is as big and strong as i'll get.

what about a new program like this one?

Have you considered simply tweaking what you're currently doing a bit? Something along the lines of:

StrongLifts 5×5 Advanced: Strength Training for Intermediates

But, hey, lifting is supposed to be fun. If you want to try something completely different, why not, go for it! Worst case scenario is you lose a bit of poundage on the lifts, but that's not the worst thing in the world. In fact, if you look long term enough, the break from the usual would probably do your body good. Mix it up, have fun.

 

[GenHoth]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
currently doing SS for the past 6 months, feel like it's getting stagnant or i'm plateauing or nearing my genetic max.
i figure this is as big and strong as i'll get.

what about a new program like this one?

Hah, nearing your genetic max? Not even close! Your squat of 235 would qualify for, according to the weightlifting standards found here, as an advanced 114 lb man. In your (our) weight class 235 isn't even intermediate!

Keep lifting and keep eating! Things start to get more challenging now that the easy gains are gone!

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: GenHoth

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
currently doing SS for the past 6 months, feel like it's getting stagnant or i'm plateauing or nearing my genetic max.
i figure this is as big and strong as i'll get.

what about a new program like this one?

Hah, nearing your genetic max? Not even close! Your squat of 235 would qualify for, according to the weightlifting standards found here, as an advanced 114 lb man. In your (our) weight class 235 isn't even intermediate!

Keep lifting and keep eating! Things start to get more challenging now that the easy gains are gone!

are those 1RM or working sets?
the numbers i posted are my working sets.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: Deeko
You think you've reached your genetic max and you're as strong as you'll get...after 6 months of lifting? I find that hard to believe.

i was lifting well before that.
my current stats:

5'10", 160
squat - 235
bench - 215
DL - 255
OH - 135
row - 160

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with changing your program or trying something new, I do it all the time, but there's no way that's your genetic max.

 

[iluvdeal]

I did P90X as I was just bored of my usual routine and I wanted to try something new. It's a nice change up to shake things up. And it's only 3 months, you can go back to doing whatever you were dong or find another program after that.

You don't do any heavy/low rep lifts with P90X so expect the gains you made in SS to go down. So if your numbers in the SS lifts are all you care about, you might want to look elsewhere. Then again, doing SS won't make your numbers improve in P90X either.

The program is very challenging and won't be easy because you came from doing the SS. I think it's a worth a try.

Some of the things I enjoyed about P90X were:

-I did a different workout every day of the week so I never got bored.

-I did some workouts I've never done before like yoga and kickboxing(kenpo-x) so I learned some new stuff. I always thought yoga was a joke but it doing it made me realize how inflexible I was. Ab-Ripper X and Plyo-x are killer workouts as well.

-The social dynamic of working out along with others and having a trainer pushing you in the videos. When you see those guys sweating and working hard, you try and do the same. Since I workout at home alone, doing the same workout with the others in the video did cause me to push myself more and have more fun. Yep, workouts can be both fun and challenging at the same time which is something P90X helped me remember.

 

[GenHoth]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

are those 1RM or working sets?
the numbers i posted are my working sets.

Those are 1RM, normally you'd post 235 3x5 to indicate sets. Nevertheless! You aren't at your genetic maximum, guaranteed.

 

[brikis98]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: Deeko
You think you've reached your genetic max and you're as strong as you'll get...after 6 months of lifting? I find that hard to believe.

i was lifting well before that.
my current stats:

5'10", 160
squat - 235
bench - 215
DL - 255
OH - 135
row - 160

It is extremely unlikely you are anywhere near your genetic max. No offense whatsoever - your numbers are solid - but there are many 160lbs guys out there who lift far more (esp. on squat & deadlift). It is very very likely that you should be able to keep increasing your numbers and, if necessary, you could always boost your BW as well (160 for 5'10" is on the skinnier side, especially for heavy lifting).

Now, if you stopped making gains because Starting Strength isn't working for you, that's a whole different issue. Are you stalling on all your lifts? Have you done a soft reset? Hard reset? How many times? How is your diet? Are you following the program properly? Getting enough sleep?

 

[KoolDrew]

What are your goals with a new workout routine? Answer brikis98's questions as well.

Also, just like everybody else said, you're not near your genetic max. Not even close. You have years before that happens.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: GenHoth

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
currently doing SS for the past 6 months, feel like it's getting stagnant or i'm plateauing or nearing my genetic max.
i figure this is as big and strong as i'll get.

what about a new program like this one?

Hah, nearing your genetic max? Not even close! Your squat of 235 would qualify for, according to the weightlifting standards found here, as an advanced 114 lb man. In your (our) weight class 235 isn't even intermediate!

Keep lifting and keep eating! Things start to get more challenging now that the easy gains are gone!

Heh, I'm intermmediate accross the board.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: brikis98
It is extremely unlikely you are anywhere near your genetic max. No offense whatsoever - your numbers are solid - but there are many 160lbs guys out there who lift far more (esp. on squat & deadlift). It is very very likely that you should be able to keep increasing your numbers and, if necessary, you could always boost your BW as well (160 for 5'10" is on the skinnier side, especially for heavy lifting).

Now, if you stopped making gains because Starting Strength isn't working for you, that's a whole different issue. Are you stalling on all your lifts? Have you done a soft reset? Hard reset? How many times? How is your diet? Are you following the program properly? Getting enough sleep?

i am skinny. i used to be 170+ but i was cutting and lost some strength.
i've done a few soft resets, 1 hard reset. diet is a cutting diet right now, low carbs, lots of protein. sleep could be better.

basically i've given up because my bench and deadlifts are stalling repeatedly.
squats i'm still making some gains, very slowly, since i started isolating the hamstrings with some curls.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

i thought i read about another standard. if 1RM of squat + dl + bench >= 5x body weight, then you're elite.

squat - 235
bench - 215
DL - 255

extrapolated 1RM for each i'm estimating is +20 to each so...
squat - 255
bench - 235
DL - 275
total 765 / 5 = 153

i'm not that far off.

 

[Deeko]

Nah, 5x for the powerlifts isn't elite. We did some intramural-type powerlifting competitions in college, and that's how it was scored (bench + squat + deadlift / weight), and people regularly were over 5. The highest score I saw while I was there was 6.4, and these are college kids, not elite competative powerlifters. It's not a 1-1 comparison since you're taller than me, but I weigh 155 and bench 255, squat 345, deadlift 365 (extrapolated maxes, haven't gone lower than 2-3 reps in a few years). You definitely have more muscle you can build.

 

[KoolDrew]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: brikis98
It is extremely unlikely you are anywhere near your genetic max. No offense whatsoever - your numbers are solid - but there are many 160lbs guys out there who lift far more (esp. on squat & deadlift). It is very very likely that you should be able to keep increasing your numbers and, if necessary, you could always boost your BW as well (160 for 5'10" is on the skinnier side, especially for heavy lifting).

Now, if you stopped making gains because Starting Strength isn't working for you, that's a whole different issue. Are you stalling on all your lifts? Have you done a soft reset? Hard reset? How many times? How is your diet? Are you following the program properly? Getting enough sleep?

i am skinny. i used to be 170+ but i was cutting and lost some strength.
i've done a few soft resets, 1 hard reset. diet is a cutting diet right now, low carbs, lots of protein. sleep could be better.

basically i've given up because my bench and deadlifts are stalling repeatedly.
squats i'm still making some gains, very slowly, since i started isolating the hamstrings with some curls.

Do you really expect to makre strength gains in a calorie deficit? Most people lose strength, the fact that you've maintained the weight on the bar and slightly increased in squats means things are going just like they should while cutting, if not better.

When you're done cutting worry about making strength gains. In the meantime just worry about maintaining strength.

When you're done cutting and ready for a new routine, give Bill Starrs 5x5 program a try. It's very similar to SS and you should see some nice strength gains.