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what do people have against the western digital raptor?

jimbob200521

jimbob200521

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as the question states, what do people have against western digitals raptor? its clearly the fastest non-scsi solution, and if you raid them, even better. the only dings i can see people having in them is price and size, but for a main hard drive, why would you need anything larger than 74gb?
 
the only dings i can see people having in them is price and size
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And? $/GB is probably the most important factor in terms of hard drives for almost all users.

Sure, it's faster, but it's not fast enough to make up for being 1/4 the size (or less) and far more expensive per GB. I mean, it shaves a few seconds off of your boot and load times, and it makes disk-bound tasks feel a little snappier, but most folks would see more impact from extra RAM or a faster video card/CPU than dropping the cash on a faster hard drive.
 
So? a Cadillac has 4 wheels and a windsheld people still buy them when they may not be actaully much better than a Impala for $/car ratio.
They are fastest, if thats what you want is the fastest then thats what you buy.
 
I was just going to ask this same question. It seems like everyone is bashing Raptors lately. I can kind of understand the argument against Raptors when you consider the size of the drive and the cost per GB. But if money isn't an issue, I say buy it. However, if money is an issue, I say go with a good 7,200 SATA drive and put the savings towards a faster CPU / more RAM / better video or sound card.
 
Sound. I have one and the thing is loud.

Albeit not as loud as the chipset fan on my A8N-SLI Deluxe.

All in all, a great drive though. I do a lot of video processing and the speed is definitely a plus there...
 
Raptors are not a good value. People who are value-conscience don't like them. These are the same people who don't like P4 EE's, A64 FX's, SLI, Ultra and Platinum XT vid cards. None of these products are a good value. They are some of the fastest products in their categories, though.

Some people like to have the best. Products like the Raptor are aimed at them. It really isn't about being for or against the raptor. The question is "Does it meet your needs/wants?" (Many people don't understand how to match their needs/wants with the proper equipment, which is a lot of what keeps general hardware churning along at a rapid pace.)

 
Originally posted by: Chosonman
Price and Size. I hear them things is loud too.
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They are not loud at all. However they make different "tone" of noise than normal HDDs. People'd think they are louder unconsciously since the noise is unusual. That's why benchmarks reports them being quiet while average users said they find them noisy.

I actually want a Raptor myself. They sell for the same price as 300GB HDD but it doesn't sound that horible to me; since it really is quicker. I don't defrag my HDD often, and I open up 10+ programs at the same time. In non-defragmentated scenarios Raptor definitely smoke other drives.

The most important factor is its 5 year warranty and the server-class reliability.
 
Originally posted by: Matthias99
the only dings i can see people having in them is price and size
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And? $/GB is probably the most important factor in terms of hard drives for almost all users.

Sure, it's faster, but it's not fast enough to make up for being 1/4 the size (or less) and far more expensive per GB. I mean, it shaves a few seconds off of your boot and load times, and it makes disk-bound tasks feel a little snappier, but most folks would see more impact from extra RAM or a faster video card/CPU than dropping the cash on a faster hard drive.
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Ditto. Raptors are way too overated.
 
My raptor is faster than your harddrive, and in the PC world that matters to me. I have no other harddrive in this, and haven't come close to filling it, so anything bigger is wasted space.

It's like comparing a dodge stratus to a porsche GT3. I don't need to lug around 4 people, so why bother with a backseat if I can get a back engine that can haul 2 people much faster 😛
 
Originally posted by: desy
So? a Cadillac has 4 wheels and a windsheld people still buy them when they may not be actaully much better than a Impala for $/car ratio.
They are fastest, if thats what you want is the fastest then thats what you buy.
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LOL.. that's a horrible analogy..

cadillac - impala -- raptor - 7200rpm sata drive

cadillacs aren't supposed to be fast (although some do a pretty nice job), they're luxury cars.

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
My raptor is faster than your harddrive, and in the PC world that matters to me. I have no other harddrive in this, and haven't come close to filling it, so anything bigger is wasted space.

It's like comparing a dodge stratus to a porsche GT3. I don't need to lug around 4 people, so why bother with a backseat if I can get a back engine that can haul 2 people much faster 😛
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much better analogy 😛

personally i like the extra space, so a raptor isn't worth it for me, but i'm not against them at all.
 
I agree. If I can afford 5GB SSD I would even buy one for my OS drive. OS drive doesn't even need 5GB of capacity; ~7GB incl programs. But it's the speed that matters.

Also I don't trust benchmarks on the Raptor disks. The benchmarks are too tightly controlled. Gosh they defrag the HDDs for each benchmark. Raptor doesn't smoke the new huge capacity drives anymore because the platter density is higher than Raptor meaning Raptor loses in the sustained transfer rate. But it is access time that is an important wining factor for Raptor.

With average usage patterns that you won't see on benchmark is the usual un-defragged HDD running Bit Torrent, Virus checking, WinRar, file copying, searching a file in the HDD, starting a new program. All these requires quick access time, not transfer speed; especially when the disk is fragmentated.

People who've been using raptors all said programs loads noticebly faster. NOT a single raptor user have said anything about not satisfying with the performance! And this is important.

Even if that's a slight faster response for the computer I'll go for it. It makes you feel happier. Who doesn't want programs to appear quicker in front of them as if they have a quicker CPU? For those who don't care about capacity I see no reason. They are too expensive at all anyway.
 
Actually I think I will buy one for my next rig. I don't really need that much hdd space since I already have an 250Gb external. And they're way cheaper now than when they were released. I would never suggest to a person to buy one, since those who would like one don't need my advice 😉
 
The only thing people need to realize is the 1st gen raptor sucked, you have to get the 2nd gen raptor. That's what I got when I got my gaming machine. I'm perfectly happy. It's red too 😀
 
Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
The only thing people need to realize is the 1st gen raptor sucked, you have to get the 2nd gen raptor. That's what I got when I got my gaming machine. I'm perfectly happy. It's red too 😀
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i dont agree with that. the only real differance between first and second gen raptors is size. yes, there is a performance diff, but not a huge one. but still, it does take two first gen raptors to take down a second gen, but then again, it takes two second gen raptors to take down two first gen drives.

also, how do you difine "sucked"?
 
There is certainly nothing wrong with them. I have 2 first gen raptors in raid-0. Price/performance wise, not sure I would do it again. Things do load faster and windows boots up faster, but for most things it doesn't make enough differance to be worth the price. They are a little noisey when seeking, but I never heard them at all until I went to water cooling.
 
Originally posted by: jimbob200521
Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
The only thing people need to realize is the 1st gen raptor sucked, you have to get the 2nd gen raptor. That's what I got when I got my gaming machine. I'm perfectly happy. It's red too 😀
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i dont agree with that. the only real differance between first and second gen raptors is size. yes, there is a performance diff, but not a huge one. but still, it does take two first gen raptors to take down a second gen, but then again, it takes two second gen raptors to take down two first gen drives.

also, how do you difine "sucked"?
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Dude, there is a HUGE performance difference, check benchmarks. 7200RPM drives outperform the 1st gen Raptor even.
 
its not that i dont believe you, i do, but could you post some links to the benchmarks so that i could see how large the diff is? thanks.
 
The RPM number really doesn't say much.

Mostly because the amount of data that is acessible without moving the head and the density of the data play an equally big role.

This is why modern 5400s beat older 7200s and why In general smaller harddrives are slower than bigger harddrives.
 
Originally posted by: jimbob200521
its not that i dont believe you, i do, but could you post some links to the benchmarks so that i could see how large the diff is? thanks.
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Go onto anandtech's main page and do a search for raptor, the top article will show you everything you need to know.
 
Originally posted by: MartinCracauer
The RPM number really doesn't say much.

Mostly because the amount of data that is acessible without moving the head and the density of the data play an equally big role.

This is why modern 5400s beat older 7200s and why In general smaller harddrives are slower than bigger harddrives.
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That's basically what I said in my post. But rmp is important is some aspects, especially seek time. (see my post)
 
I am agaisnt it because it is a waste of money. For the same price, you could buy a hard drive with much more storage space with 95% of the speed.
 
there are specific applications that make the raptor the best sata drive of choice. i personally do alot of audio recording/mixing/editing and the extra speed is noticeable. for me the raptor is worth it.
 
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