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what do people have against star trek: voyager?

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Voyager was great. Def. one of the better of the series.

1) TNG
2) Voyager
3) DS9
4) Original series

I've never seen an episode of Enterprise, so I have no idea where it would be on that list.


: ) Amanda
 
Limited scope... its was a Star Trek Space Soap Opera. It wasn't until the last season(s) where they were in regular contact with the federation that anything got better.

The super borg that commits suicide... recreate that accident!!!! As said before, NUMEROUS inconsistencies in decision making. Passing up time after time to get home, how many times you gonna tease that poor crew just to have Janeway yank out the rug?

Best episode? the one where the Demon Voyager thinks they are the real Voyager, now THAT is some ST worthy writing. TNG > DS9 > Original > Voyager > Enterprise.
 
sure Janeway was goddamn annoying and they had too many time travel episodes where they hit 'reset', but i blame voyager's crappiness squarely on that worthless sack of sh!t Neelix. He is the worst character ever created, worse than the holo doc and wesley.
 
I mostly liked Voyager. There are only two things I really didn't like about Voyager:

1.) They completely missed the point. There was so much potential to be had about a stranded ship and crew lost on the other side of the galaxy. They could write in so many new creative things and deal with so many issues. What about salvaging enemy ships to repair Voyager? No, they always somehow had spare parts like warp necelles floating around in cargo bins. Endless fuel supplies, photon torpedoes, shuttles, crew members, etc. I think I can remember one episode in season one where they dealt with the issue of running low on deuterium. How about the potential for new life and new civilizations? That quickly deteriorated into generic 'alien-of-the-week' episodes. Then they didn't even use that to its full potential. They dragged out a whole season about the Borg, the major antagonist from The Next Generation. They even sprinkled in some Ferengi, Romulans, and probably other races from the Alpha quadrant that I don't remember.

2.) "Brannon Braga" and "continuity" should never be used in the same sentence. Braga can barely keep his sh|t together from episode to episode, much less keeping it together within the Star Trek universe. He wrote the episode where Tom Paris somehow accomplished something that Starfleet and their best scientists have never been able to do -- break the warp 10 threshold. That is, in spite of the fact that warp 10 is defined in the Star Trek universe as impossible, because it is infinite velocity, requiring infinite power, meaning you will occupy the entire universe at once. And he did it with a shuttle craft that he tinkered around with in his spare time. Now, if that's not enough urine dripping off of Star Treks chin, he brings it all home by saying that the flight caused Tom Paris to super evolve over a period of days into a disfigured man-lizard, kidnap captain Janeway, take HER on a warp 10 flight to super-evolve her, land on a planet, and mate with Janeway. Finally, he does his typical episode wrap up for when he has way too much crap going on, with a log entry from a crew member. In this case, the doctor. Something like, "Chief medical officers log, supplemental. It has been two days since I squirted god knows what into Janeway and Paris with this hyperspray that I found. They have both miraculously returned to complete health, and are making idle chit-chat in the medical bay."

And my second favorite: Voyager and the crew traveling back to 1996, but not Star Trek 1996, OUR 1996. In the Trek universe in the 1990's, the eugenics wars were going on. For those who don't know, the Eugenics wars were a time when genetic engineering got out of control and engineered super men tried to take over the world. (This is how Khan came to be in Star Trek, and Star Trek II.) However, Bragga simply overlooked this whole chapter of Trek history and simply rewrote it to suite his crappy script. One of dozens of episodes that he loves to write about time travel.



But all of that aside, Voyager was decent. I don't think the show, as a whole, was as bad as people make it out to be. I just wish someone would publicly flog Brannon Braga with a big plastic light saber or something.
 
Jayneway a stupid bitch!
Hell i waould have used the caretakers station to go back home after i planted timed cobalt devices set to blow after i left.
 
Originally posted by: userman
Jayneway a stupid bitch!
Hell i waould have used the caretakers station to go back home after i planted timed cobalt devices set to blow after i left.
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I'd use the warp core of one Maquis raider. Or better yet, just use the warp cores from the infinite number of shuttles stashed in every nook and cranny of that pathetic vessel.
 
i liked it because, face it, that ship kicked ass.

by kicked ass i mean: it could kill the stuff that was wiping out the borg.
 
Originally posted by: jimbob200521
really, its one of my fav series, if not my fav series. so please tell, why do people say that voyager sucks?
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Because it's true? Seriously, is this a trick question? 😕
 
Originally posted by: vshah
i liked it because, face it, that ship kicked ass.
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That ship was SUPPOSED to be a pathetic eco-friendly version of the Miranda with enhanced deep-space capabilities. It was NOT supposed to be a permanently self-sufficient battleship.

Consider that a Borg cube chews through endless hordes of Akiras and Steamrunners, at the time, those were the Federation's frontline combat ships. Proof? References to Wolf 359, ST: First Contact. The ONLY proven way to destroy a cube was for Captain Jean-Luc Picard to do something totally freaking wacky risking his entire ship... That is, until the advent of superior weaponry and the birth of the Sovereign, which was a purpose built Borg hunter, until Janeway went and made it useless SOMEHOW with her pathetic little yacht.
 
I thought it was the worst of the ST shows. Mediocre, rehashed themes and scripts, with uninteresting characters and subpar acting (for the most part). That's not quite to say I hated it, but I didn't really enjoy it much either. There were occasional excellent episodes and occasional excellent performances, but mostly it just left me feeling like I missed TNG, and even DS9.

BTW, does anyone think the actor who played the doctor was one of the more dynamic actors of the group? Was that probably why the writers seemed to write the most episodes centered around the doctor?
 
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