What do Iran Supporters say about these quotes?

[dahunan]

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."


YOU DO KNOW WHO SAID THEM, RIGHT?

 

[PrinceofWands]

I guess I'd respond with:


"We cannot stand by and do nothing while dangers gather. We must stand up for our security and for the permanent rights and the hopes of mankind."

"As a matter of common sense and self-defense, [we] will act against such emerging threats before they are fully formed."

"If we have reason to believe someone is preparing an attack against the U.S., has developed that capability, harbors those aspirations, then I think the U.S. is justified in dealing with that, if necessary, by military force."

"That will be part of the resolution, authorization of use of force. If you want to keep the peace, you've got to have the authorization to use force."

*and we all know who uttered these gems*

My point isn't that they're exactly the same, or that they are in any way ethical or moral. My point is that every sovereign nation believes it has the right to act in it's own interests. We've done it for centuries and so has most every other nation. These feelings in the Middle East aren't new, and aren't going to just go away. No form of active pacifism will get rid of the problem either...you have to treat the disease, not the symptoms. Until a final solution is reached between the sides, both will continue to harbor these feelings...and probably even long after.

EDIT: I don't want it to sound like I'm supporting this type of thing, but I recognize that it isn't just one group that has these feelings. I also recognize that the seeds of these feelings were planted over two-thousand years ago and to expect any type of meaningful resolution to the matter is lunacy. Both sides accept as given that the other is hoping and/or trying to eliminate them (and they're mostly right).

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: dahunan
"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."


YOU DO KNOW WHO SAID THEM, RIGHT?

I'm guessing Iran's president. You know he doesn't have any actual power, right?

Politicians say dumb things all the time that they don't mean because they find it politically expedient to do so. Even if he DOES mean it, he doesn't have the means to do it. If even if they DID have the means to do it...Iran is not suicidal, and even if they had nukes they would not use them, as they know it would lead to their own immediate destruction/overthrow. They want them as leverage so that the US won't attack them.

And who are these "Iran Supporters"? I haven't heard anyone cheering on a theocratic despotism like Iran. If by "Iran Supporters" you mean "people who don't think we should attack another Islamic nation in the Middle East that has significant power to interrupt global oil trade and to plunge Iraq into further chaos"... then I guess you're talking about me.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: dahunan
"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."


YOU DO KNOW WHO SAID THEM, RIGHT?

Why is everything about Israel anyways?

BTW, anybody who supports Iran probably doesn't think too hightly on Israel or the Zionist movement to begin with. So it would be like calling a Nazi a racist. It wouldn't have any effect, and it would cause them to just think (or say) "Duh!"

I'm against Zionism, so those quotes have little effect on me... While I don't advocate genocide (if that was the nature of those quotes), Israel's problems are its own. If they wish to want their neighbors to support them, they need to do it in their own way... Changing minds, hearts, and souls of others. Not go "beat them up" which has the opposite effect as found with Lebanon.

And to be honest, I'm sick of tired of my tax dollars going to Israel for those efforts of defense or "beating them up." Why did the USA supply the bombs for the Lebanon war or atleast replenish the Israeli supply of bombs? Why are we paying for rebuilding Lebanon? The day the USA can remove the Zionist movement from within our government, the day I will happily rejoice.

 

[alien42]

i take it this post is directed at aimster?

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: dahunan
"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."


YOU DO KNOW WHO SAID THEM, RIGHT?

Hmmm....I smell bait.

 

[jpeyton]

It's all politics, no action. He's appealing to his base.

 

[ntdz]

I'd say that the US is a terrorist state, Israel is evil, and Iran is a beacon of light in the world. Any country that doesn't punish women for being raped should be wiped off the face of the map. </sarcasm>

 

[2Xtreme21]

Wait, let me guess. Was the one who said them the President who, as established here many times, is little more than Jerry Falwell with an established political party?

 

[Termagant]

Did Bush say them???

Maybe the Shah of Iran said them??? Great, now we know that every modern Iranian leader, US lacky or US enemy, is a P.O.S.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It's all politics, no action. He's appealing to his base.

Arming the terrorists in Iraq, being the home base to Hezbollah, developing nukes, and taking British soldiers. Yes it's all talk and no action. 😕

Then when action is admitted, you excuse it or most certainly say we deserved it. Got all your bases covered for pro-militant Islam rhetoric.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It's all politics, no action. He's appealing to his base.

Arming the terrorists in Iraq, being the home base to Hezbollah, developing nukes, and taking British soldiers. Yes it's all talk and no action. 😕

Then when action is admitted, you excuse it or most certainly say we deserved it. Got all your bases covered for pro-militant Islam rhetoric.

Hezbollah is based in Lebanon.

 

[Martin]

There's an old saying in Isfahan?I know it's in Mashhad, probably in Isfahan?that says, fool me once, shame on?shame on you. Fool me?you can't get fooled again.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: dahunan
"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."


YOU DO KNOW WHO SAID THEM, RIGHT?

Why is everything about Israel anyways?

BTW, anybody who supports Iran probably doesn't think too hightly on Israel or the Zionist movement to begin with. So it would be like calling a Nazi a racist. It wouldn't have any effect, and it would cause them to just think (or say) "Duh!"

I'm against Zionism, so those quotes have little effect on me... While I don't advocate genocide (if that was the nature of those quotes), Israel's problems are its own. If they wish to want their neighbors to support them, they need to do it in their own way... Changing minds, hearts, and souls of others. Not go "beat them up" which has the opposite effect as found with Lebanon.

And to be honest, I'm sick of tired of my tax dollars going to Israel for those efforts of defense or "beating them up." Why did the USA supply the bombs for the Lebanon war or atleast replenish the Israeli supply of bombs? Why are we paying for rebuilding Lebanon? The day the USA can remove the Zionist movement from within our government, the day I will happily rejoice.

I would say you know little about Israel.....or the problems of the middle east.
To say Israel has caused its own problems is perposterous!!

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It's all politics, no action. He's appealing to his base.

Yea then Hitler took the sudatenland from Czechoslovakia...

that attitude will start WW3 baby. If he gets Nukes I bet he'll use them himself or have it shipped over in a cargo box and have some poor terrorists schmucks do his dirtywork for him. He's a nut.

If anyone here does not respect non-proliferation treaties. Or plain just don't understand why everyone doesn't have them it is because nut jobs like this bozo in Iran is why not another country on this planet should be able to develop and deploy nuclear weapons.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It's all politics, no action. He's appealing to his base.

That is my take on it too. He's playing internal politics on an international stage.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Arming the terrorists in Iraq

According to whom, US military intelligence? Tony Snow? Any evidence directly linking the government of Iran to this? If your sources are US military intelligence, please understand that the whole Iraq/Saddam/WMDs debacle has rendered their credibility to that of horse sh1t.

being the home base to Hezbollah

Hezbollah is based in Lebanon. Now you're driving your own credibility into the ground. :thumbsup: Basic research FTW.

developing nukes

You're absolutely correct; they are developing nuclear energy in 100% compliance with the NPT and international law. Now if you've got proof they've developed any nuclear weapons specific components, let me know (and alert the IAEA and the media as well, because apparently you know more than they do just sitting behind your desk).

and taking British soldiers

The Brits probably won't play chicken in disputed Iraqi/Iranian waters now. Lesson learned.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

I would say you know little about Israel.....or the problems of the middle east.
To say Israel has caused its own problems is perposterous!!

I never once said Israel caused its own problems. What I did say however, is that Israel's problems are its own, and not my responsibility as a United States tax payer.

There is a big difference.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: ntdz
I'd say that the US is a terrorist state, Israel is evil, and Iran is a beacon of light in the world. Any country that doesn't punish women for being raped should be wiped off the face of the map.

Fixed 😉

 

[Lemon law]

It may be preposterous to say that Israel has caused ALL of its own problems. But its equally preposterous to say that Israeli action has not caused its problems to deepen. And we must all
consider the possibility that current Israeli strategy may cause Israel's ultimate downfall in the fullness
of time. And if there is ANY POSSIBLE VALIDITY to the statement that Israel may in long term doom itself, then it somewhat behooves any pro-Israeli person to start asking themselves, how can Israel ratchet down the hatreds and start proving its existence benefits its neighbors?

 

[Jhhnn]

YOU DO KNOW WHO SAID THEM, RIGHT?

All we know for sure is who they've been attributed to. We don't know how accurate the translation really is, or if, as the Italian saying goes, "Traduttore tradittore".

Apparently, there's a lot of it going around. If the target speaker didn't say what you wanted, you merely claim that he did, over, and over, and over again...

Having the "right" translation is, of course, key to this approach, and there are those who will provide them-

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti...:_Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute