Glad you get it. The biggest reason why 1080p is so fabulous is the lack of flicker or 1080i. You get the best of both worlds - high resolution greatly surpassing the outdated 720p, plus none of the problems with 720p.
Glad you get it. The biggest reason why 1080p is so fabulous is the lack of flicker or 1080i. You get the best of both worlds - high resolution greatly surpassing the outdated 720p, plus none of the problems with 720p.
No, not yet, but I spend a great deal of time in there. I've only been there for about two months, but I've already started training, etc. to be a Mag Pro 1. I'm over at Princeton 578.
Kaido
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I was just trying to share my breadth of knowledge on HD
No offense taken, just a few tears. I'll walk it off man... Edit: Oh yeah, I saw a 1080p Plasma Elite plasma running a Bluray demo the other day and it was ama-za-zing. I don't know how long it will take for more 1080p content to kick in, but if you're going big, prices are dropping and you might as well jump in. In the meantime here are some links with tutorials/news/reviews on HD:
http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/hdtv/
http://www.cnet.com/4520-7874_1-5102926-1.html
http://www.avguide.com/buyers-guides
http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/index.php
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Beautiful! Glad I got on your good side....I'll be taking a look at those links later on today. Thanks
.For the most part, other than bragging rights (which really seems to be a big deal to some), 1080p really isn't an issue right now. And considering OP is upgrading from an already 1080i-set, it is a mattter of does he really need this now (in the wife's eyes). It would be a different story if he was upgrading from a 525 SD set.
I know there's so-called experts here, so I'll just add a link to back up my case. If you care to dispute what's in the link below, please bring the facts. I have a 1080i/720p Panasonic Plasma with outstanding PQ. My next door neighbor has a 1080p set of the same size. Even his wife (much to his dismay) notices the huge difference in PQ between the two. There's a lot more to what makes for picture quality than stats.
As the link below states: Class is now in session:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24908759
I know there's so-called experts here, so I'll just add a link to back up my case. If you care to dispute what's in the link below, please bring the facts. I have a 1080i/720p Panasonic Plasma with outstanding PQ. My next door neighbor has a 1080p set of the same size. Even his wife (much to his dismay) notices the huge difference in PQ between the two. There's a lot more to what makes for picture quality than stats.
As the link below states: Class is now in session:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24908759
It's quite simple, really. The more people that buy 1080p sets, the greater the pressure to produce more 1080p content. If you keep pushing 720p, and people keep settling for it, then we'll be stuck with 720p longer.
That's worked so well with HDTV hasn't it? Isn't ever channel in the cable lineup HD now? Ohh wait, nope. Not for another what? 3-4 years?
Then, if we do get 1080p broadcasts, it will only be ESPN, Fox, NBC, and DiscoveryHD and only then during the hours of say 8-10pm for Fox, NBC, and ESPN. But that's not for another 5-10 years.
But wait, we can sell you on Blue-Ray, which will likely fail, along with Betamax, MiniDisk/ATRAC, Memory Stick, and UMD.
So, essentially you are buying a TV that will have limited use for another 5-10 years, by which time there will be much better sets out there anyway, so you will upgrade at that point!? So much for your extra money being spent well! Hey, I have some $1,000/ft cables I can sell you, they improve your viewing quality by .00000001%, but you *WILL* notice the difference on a large TV *wink wink*.
Ahh, the rampant consumerism and negative savings rate in America. GDP driven by equity cash-outs, credit cards, and stupidity. Gotta love it!
LCD displays don't flicker at all when displaying 1080i, so if that is really the biggest difference, there isn't much point in 1080p, for an LCD. Other than as a computer monitor.
Who pissed in your Post Toasties?
So, tell me... How long has HD been available to the consumer? How long have 1080p displays? How many people actually own a 1080p display?
Nobody is going to produce 1080p content if they can't make any money from it...
Nobody pissed in anything of mine, I just find it irritating that you attack other people for not knowing their crap, when in fact, you are so far beyond the realm of reality that it's rediculous.
HDTV was first broadcast in 1988, the first sets hit the market in the US in 1998. Thus, in 8 years we have only gotten what? At most 10 regular channels (excluding movie channels). Out of maybe the 200 or so available on extended cable. Wow, we have 5% of all available channels in HD!!! WHOOPIE!
Not only do we have 5% of channels, but at least half of that 5% only broadcast true HD during only 10% of the day. WOW! AWESOME!!
Not only do we only have 2.5% of channels broadcasting in HD 10% of the day, but most use crappy compression and poor broadcast quality. YAY! Great!
Now, thats at 1080i or 720p. How long do you think it will take them, after it took them 8 years to get to this point, to upgrade to 1080p? It is going to take a *LONG* time. Heck, the #1 morning news show (Today show) only *JUST* went HD within the last couple weeks.
Upgrading to be on the bleeding edge implies that you will have a benefit from that bleeding edge either now or in the near future. However, 1080p offers very little now and a greatly reduced likelihood of near future. Lastly, if this dude is upgrading TVs every couple years, do you think he will wait 10 for the next?
When have I ever debated that actual source material is higher quality? Never.
I debate when we will actually get normal and regular access to that quality. Considering that we barely get regular access to either 720p or 1080i over the majority of HD channels *AND* only one standard of movies can possibly display 1080p, and a proprietary and likely to fail one at that.
So yeah, don't put words in my mouth.
<---Raises hand to smack down the teacher...
There are displays that do 1080p/24 so his point is stupid.
First of all, I didn't attack anyone...
Second, you just proved my point for me!
HD since 1998, yet it has only recently caught on in the mainstream. Why? Because HDTVs have been (and still are to a certain extent) too expensive for your average consumer. You infer that HD hasn't caught on well because of lack of content, and that may be indirectly true.
All I'm saying is that there is no incentive for the media industry to produce 1080p content when there isn't an established consumer base that will provide them with enough profit to make it worth their while.
And why should they when people are still pushing 720p as "good enough"?
<---Raises hand to smack down the teacher...
There are displays that do 1080p/24 so his point is stupid.
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Post your reply on his thread. Let's see how well you do.
Post your reply on his thread. Let's see how well you do.[/quote]
not gonna give that idiot the time of day. He's clueless.
Yeah, Ok...typical copout. That's on you. Here's a blurb from Wiki about film sources and 1080i/1080p:
"As long as no additional image-degradation steps were applied during signal mastering (such as excessive vertical-pass filtering), the image from a properly deinterlaced film-source 1080i signal and a native-encoded 1080p signal will look exactly the same."
"As long as no additional image-degradation steps were applied during signal mastering (such as excessive vertical-pass filtering), the image from a properly deinterlaced film-source 1080i signal and a native-encoded 1080p signal will look exactly the same."
The price premium for 1080p really isn't all that great if you do some research and browse the Hot Deals forums.
For myself, I think it's feasible that when HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, or hopefully some 3rd less DRMed-to-Hell format option becomes a realistic purchase in 2-4 years that I would want to have a 1080p set. Not to mention that I, along with quite a few of this AT crowd would likely go the HTPC route within the lifespan of the TV. You don't want to be stuck with a less than optimal resolution with an HTPC.
Just a side note, I thought that AT forums would have a function by now that would automatically filter out any responses that included a phrase to the effect of "I work at Best Buy, so...".
CK
For myself, I think it's feasible that when HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, or hopefully some 3rd less DRMed-to-Hell format option becomes a realistic purchase in 2-4 years that I would want to have a 1080p set. Not to mention that I, along with quite a few of this AT crowd would likely go the HTPC route within the lifespan of the TV. You don't want to be stuck with a less than optimal resolution with an HTPC.
Just a side note, I thought that AT forums would have a function by now that would automatically filter out any responses that included a phrase to the effect of "I work at Best Buy, so...".
CK
Slikkster, you just posted one of the reasons SUPPORTING a 1080p display.
This whole thing is just like the 720p/1080i debates (which were very valid at the time). But with 1080p you get the best of both worlds - progressive, high resolution video.
Just go and look at a 65" 1080p plasma. Then compare to a 720p plasma from the same source. That should prove the point right there.
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