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Atheus

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Amused
:::sigh:::

OK guys. How about next time you have a brain fart and forget ANYTHING or forget to lock ANYTHING, you should lose your rights to own/use that object?

People are fallible. This extends to EVERYTHING in their lives. What matters is do they take due caution. In this case he does. He had ONE minor brain fart and you want to strip him of his Constitutional Rights.

WTF people? He knows it was stupid. But I can see that it is NOT the norm. Too bad you guys cannot.

sure i forget stuff.

but i would think i would take better care when carrying something LIKE A GUN.

If you can forget one thing, you can forget ANYTHING. One does not suddenly become an infallible god just because a gun is involved. Sure you be as careful as humanly possible... but one can still forget.

So, it is completely cool and fine to lose your firearm, just like it is fine to lose your lighter or keys? Just to clarify, y'know, so I can add it my list of STUPIDEST THINGS EVER.

Why not read my posts, huh?

No, it is not cool. Yes, one should be as careful as HUMANLY POSSIBLE not to lose their weapon or leave it unsecured.

But humans are fallible. Have you EVER lost something you really did not want to lose? We all have. We try like hell not to, and most succeed by diligence combined with a little luck.

This was a completely innocent mistake made by someone who is normally VERY careful with his weapon.

Come back when you have NEVER made an innocent but stupid mistake in your life.

There are certain things you can NEVER make a mistake with - driving your car, operating heavy machinery, and firearms. If you do something stupid with your car, the privilege to use it is taken away from you - it should be the same with weapons.

I just don't understand how you people can be so casual about guns. Since I joined this forum I have decided never to go to America.

 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Amused
:::sigh:::

OK guys. How about next time you have a brain fart and forget ANYTHING or forget to lock ANYTHING, you should lose your rights to own/use that object?

People are fallible. This extends to EVERYTHING in their lives. What matters is do they take due caution. In this case he does. He had ONE minor brain fart and you want to strip him of his Constitutional Rights.

WTF people? He knows it was stupid. But I can see that it is NOT the norm. Too bad you guys cannot.

sure i forget stuff.

but i would think i would take better care when carrying something LIKE A GUN.

If you can forget one thing, you can forget ANYTHING. One does not suddenly become an infallible god just because a gun is involved. Sure you be as careful as humanly possible... but one can still forget.

so it is ok to forget your baby/child in an amusement park? your dog maybe? There are things that you NEVER forget. Like carrying a wad of cash, or a GUN

You've never lost money? Wow...

Sorry guys, but humans are fallible creatures. It happens. We try like hell not to be and some succeed better than others. But in the end, by the time we've lived our lives, we ALL realize we have ALL made stupid mistakes... even with things that are VERY important. And ESPECIALLY with things that become routine.

The OP is normally VERY careful with his weapon. For that, this one mistake can be forgiven and chalked up as a learning experience.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Amused
:::sigh:::

OK guys. How about next time you have a brain fart and forget ANYTHING or forget to lock ANYTHING, you should lose your rights to own/use that object?

People are fallible. This extends to EVERYTHING in their lives. What matters is do they take due caution. In this case he does. He had ONE minor brain fart and you want to strip him of his Constitutional Rights.

WTF people? He knows it was stupid. But I can see that it is NOT the norm. Too bad you guys cannot.

sure i forget stuff.

but i would think i would take better care when carrying something LIKE A GUN.

If you can forget one thing, you can forget ANYTHING. One does not suddenly become an infallible god just because a gun is involved. Sure you be as careful as humanly possible... but one can still forget.

So, it is completely cool and fine to lose your firearm, just like it is fine to lose your lighter or keys? Just to clarify, y'know, so I can add it my list of STUPIDEST THINGS EVER.

Why not read my posts, huh?

No, it is not cool. Yes, one should be as careful as HUMANLY POSSIBLE not to lose their weapon or leave it unsecured.

But humans are fallible. Have you EVER lost something you really did not want to lose? We all have. We try like hell not to, and most succeed by diligence combined with a little luck.

This was a completely innocent mistake made by someone who is normally VERY careful with his weapon.

Come back when you have NEVER made an innocent but stupid mistake in your life.

There are certain things you can NEVER make a mistake with - driving your car, operating heavy machinery, and firearms. If you do something stupid with your car, the privilege to use it is taken away from you - it should be the same with weapons.

I just don't understand how you people can be so casual about guns. Since I joined this forum I have decided never to go to America.

No one is being casual. Only YOU are equating it with that ridiculous extreme in an effort to make your argument.
 

Atheus

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Jun 7, 2005
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Originally posted by: Amused
No, it is not cool. Yes, one should be as careful as HUMANLY POSSIBLE not to lose their weapon or leave it unsecured.

But humans are fallible. Have you EVER lost something you really did not want to lose? We all have. We try like hell not to, and most succeed by diligence combined with a little luck.

This was a completely innocent mistake made by someone who is normally VERY careful with his weapon.

Come back when you have NEVER made an innocent but stupid mistake in your life.

There are certain things you can NEVER make a mistake with - driving your car, operating heavy machinery, and firearms. If you do something stupid with your car, the privilege to use it is taken away from you - it should be the same with weapons.

I just don't understand how you people can be so casual about guns. Since I joined this forum I have decided never to go to America.

No one is being casual. Only YOU are equating it with that ridiculous extreme in an effort to make your argument.

What extreme? The comparison with cars and machinery? That is perfectly reasonable, if not generous to your side of the argument, as a firearm is more dangerous than either.

 

Number1

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Feb 24, 2006
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How well would that go over if you were in the army and "misplaced" your gun?

There is a difference between losing a lighter and losing a gun. If you can?t be responsible with your weapon, sell it.
 

BigJ

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Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Amused
:::sigh:::

OK guys. How about next time you have a brain fart and forget ANYTHING or forget to lock ANYTHING, you should lose your rights to own/use that object?

People are fallible. This extends to EVERYTHING in their lives. What matters is do they take due caution. In this case he does. He had ONE minor brain fart and you want to strip him of his Constitutional Rights.

WTF people? He knows it was stupid. But I can see that it is NOT the norm. Too bad you guys cannot.

sure i forget stuff.

but i would think i would take better care when carrying something LIKE A GUN.

If you can forget one thing, you can forget ANYTHING. One does not suddenly become an infallible god just because a gun is involved. Sure you be as careful as humanly possible... but one can still forget.

So, it is completely cool and fine to lose your firearm, just like it is fine to lose your lighter or keys? Just to clarify, y'know, so I can add it my list of STUPIDEST THINGS EVER.

Why not read my posts, huh?

No, it is not cool. Yes, one should be as careful as HUMANLY POSSIBLE not to lose their weapon or leave it unsecured.

But humans are fallible. Have you EVER lost something you really did not want to lose? We all have. We try like hell not to, and most succeed by diligence combined with a little luck.

This was a completely innocent mistake made by someone who is normally VERY careful with his weapon.

Come back when you have NEVER made an innocent but stupid mistake in your life.

There are certain things you can NEVER make a mistake with - driving your car, operating heavy machinery, and firearms. If you do something stupid with your car, the privilege to use it is taken away from you - it should be the same with weapons.

I just don't understand how you people can be so casual about guns. Since I joined this forum I have decided never to go to America.

No one is being casual. Only YOU are equating it with that ridiculous extreme in an effort to make your argument.

Honestly, if he is being extreme on one end of the spectrum, you're being extreme on the other end by equating it to keys or a wallet.
 

Squisher

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I hope you realize how much you need to raise the level of your awareness when in possession of your shooting iron.

I carry mine as if I'm carrying a thermo nuclear hand grenade with the pin pulled.

I liken it to the heightened level of awareness that most motorcycle drivers have to have.


BTW-get a gun vault, it shouldn't be in your sock drawer.




 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: Squisher
I hope you realize how much you need to raise the level of your awareness when in possession of your shooting iron.

I carry mine as if I'm carrying a thermo nuclear hand grenade with the pin pulled.

I liken it to the heightened level of awareness that most motorcycle drivers have to have.


BTW-get a gun safe, it shouldn't be in your sock drawer.

yeah i hate loseing my shooting iron. once i lost my wood also.

 

amicold

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Feb 7, 2005
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Amused
If you can forget one thing, you can forget ANYTHING. One does not suddenly become an infallible god just because a gun is involved. Sure you be as careful as humanly possible... but one can still forget.

Amused I don't think people understand how much a firearm becomes a part of you/your routine. OP wasn't careless or irresponsible. It could have happened to anyone. All I've read from OP is very good ownership actions and if anybody deserves to carry it should be Randalee.

I'd love to hear some law enforcment folks chime in.

Why? Law enforcement is corrupt anyways.
 

amicold

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Amused
:::sigh:::

OK guys. How about next time you have a brain fart and forget ANYTHING or forget to lock ANYTHING, you should lose your rights to own/use that object?

People are fallible. This extends to EVERYTHING in their lives. What matters is do they take due caution. In this case he does. He had ONE minor brain fart and you want to strip him of his Constitutional Rights.

WTF people? He knows it was stupid. But I can see that it is NOT the norm. Too bad you guys cannot.

sure i forget stuff.

but i would think i would take better care when carrying something LIKE A GUN.

If you can forget one thing, you can forget ANYTHING. One does not suddenly become an infallible god just because a gun is involved. Sure you be as careful as humanly possible... but one can still forget.

So, it is completely cool and fine to lose your firearm, just like it is fine to lose your lighter or keys? Just to clarify, y'know, so I can add it my list of STUPIDEST THINGS EVER.

Why not read my posts, huh?

No, it is not cool. Yes, one should be as careful as HUMANLY POSSIBLE not to lose their weapon or leave it unsecured.

But humans are fallible. Have you EVER lost something you really did not want to lose? We all have. We try like hell not to, and most succeed by diligence combined with a little luck.

This was a completely innocent mistake made by someone who is normally VERY careful with his weapon.

Come back when you have NEVER made an innocent but stupid mistake in your life.

There are certain things you can NEVER make a mistake with - driving your car, operating heavy machinery, and firearms. If you do something stupid with your car, the privilege to use it is taken away from you - it should be the same with weapons.

I just don't understand how you people can be so casual about guns. Since I joined this forum I have decided never to go to America.

No one is being casual. Only YOU are equating it with that ridiculous extreme in an effort to make your argument.

Did you not realize you said "its like forgetting keys/wallet" umm, last time I checked carrying keys and a wallet were casual things. I'm not in spec-op mode carrying keys and a wallet.
 

bigdog1218

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Well I know I certainly feel safer knowing irresponsible people can carry a concealed weapon. :thumbsup:

You've NEVER forgotten to lock something? Lost your car keys?

You've NEVER made an innocent mistake?

I certainly feel safer knowing ATOT is populated with virtually perfect god like creatures.

WOW...

Are you that dense? How can you equate losing a gun to losing a set of keys? You posted the same nonsense in this geniuses orginal post and you looked like an a$$ there too. Wow is right. How many keys have killed? How many objects have you lost have been used to kill someone? Since when is anything about a gun innocent?

I cannot believe they allow people like you and the OP to even own a gun. I can honestly say I'm more afraid of some gun toting idiot like you than any criminal.
 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: bigdog1218
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Well I know I certainly feel safer knowing irresponsible people can carry a concealed weapon. :thumbsup:

You've NEVER forgotten to lock something? Lost your car keys?

You've NEVER made an innocent mistake?

I certainly feel safer knowing ATOT is populated with virtually perfect god like creatures.

WOW...

Are you that dense? How can you equate losing a gun to losing a set of keys? You posted the same nonsense in this geniuses orginal post and you looked like an a$$ there too. Wow is right. How many keys have killed? How many objects have you lost have been used to kill someone? Since when is anything about a gun innocent?

I cannot believe they allow people like you and the OP to even own a gun. I can honestly say I'm more afraid of some gun toting idiot like you than any criminal.

Nope. Not dense at all. I have enough experience with CCW (over 15 years) that I understand fully how grabbing your weapon while getting ready to leave the house on a daily basis becomes routine, just as picking up your wallet, cell phone and keys are routine. Things are easily forgotten in this routine when routine is broken, such as the day the OP had.

The ONLY people throwing this much of a fit over this are people who have never CCWed and probably don't even own a gun. It's blind ignorant fear talking rather than reasoned experience.

How can I own a firearm? I probably know more about firearm safety than you ever will. I have over 30 years of military and private training with firearms. How much have you had?

If you are more afraid of me or the OP owning a firearm than a criminal, you're completely irrational. What an asinine thing to say.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: BigJ

Honestly, if he is being extreme on one end of the spectrum, you're being extreme on the other end by equating it to keys or a wallet.

Again, when you CCW you have a morning routine that includes grabbing your weapon. In THAT SPECIFIC INSTANCE it is as easy to forget to grab as your keys, your cell phone and your wallet.

Sure, take my comments out of context, why don't you... as long as it helps the hysterical arguments from the anti-gun crowd.
 

TekniDude

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what an idiot, he left his gun in his sock drawer... i mean come on, the underpants gnomes could have stolen it geez

lol

he left it at home, not like it fell out of the holster somewhere and disappeared
he simply forgot to bring it with him...
 

shuttleboi

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Jul 5, 2004
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: BigJ

Honestly, if he is being extreme on one end of the spectrum, you're being extreme on the other end by equating it to keys or a wallet.

Again, when you CCW you have a morning routine that includes grabbing your weapon. In THAT SPECIFIC INSTANCE it is as easy to forget to grab as your keys, your cell phone and your wallet.

Sure, take my comments out of context, why don't you... as long as it helps the hysterical arguments from the anti-gun crowd.


Does "CCW" have something to do with your daily routine for hunting possum near your trailer park?

 

BigJ

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: BigJ

Honestly, if he is being extreme on one end of the spectrum, you're being extreme on the other end by equating it to keys or a wallet.

Again, when you CCW you have a morning routine that includes grabbing your weapon. In THAT SPECIFIC INSTANCE it is as easy to forget to grab as your keys, your cell phone and your wallet.

Sure, take my comments out of context, why don't you... as long as it helps the hysterical arguments from the anti-gun crowd.

I'm not taking it out of context at all.

You are arguing that it becomes part of your routine and are comparing it misplacing your keys or wallet. Others are saying that you should be overly cautious and treat it like a child. It's easy to see from my comments in this thread that I'm somewhere in the middle. By allowing it to become "part of the routine," you start to lose respect for the weapon. By going concealed carry, you take on a responsibility above and beyond that of carrying a set of keys or your wallet. Minimalizing the importance or the responsibility of carrying a handgun to that of a set of keys is the extreme opposite of those comparing it to the responsibility of a child's life. I'm not saying that you should be paranoid, but the OP made a bunch of bad judgement calls concerning his firearm.

People are not judging him solely based on the fact that he left his gun at home, at least I'm not. The OP first thought he left his gun in an unlocked car in the center console, loaded and ready to go. The first problem with that is that he knew that the courthouse did not allow weapons, and that there was no place to store it at the courthouse. He shouldn't have even brought it out in the first place. On top of that, he shouldn't be storing the weapon in his car in such a position. He should've separated the ammunition from the firearm and put them in two different parts of the car at the minimum. If he's going to be storing his firearm in his car, he should have a gun safe.

The second problem with that is that he wasn't completely sure that he locked his car. If you're willing to bear the responsibility of carrying a firearm, you better be willing to take the 10 extra seconds it takes to make sure your car is locked.

Then finally we come to this thread where now the gun was found deep in his top sock drawer, where it never is. If it never gets put there, how did it? Again, irresponsibility with his firearm.

I've grown up around guns, I own 2 rifles, and my father is a retired CO of Riker's Island after 22 years of service. He has his CCW permit and I know what it's like to have grown up around someone with a CCW. To this day he still carries a revolver in an ankle holster. He's taught me to enjoy but respect firearms, whether they be handguns, rifles, or shotguns.

I am anything but anti-gun, and calling me that just because I'm pointing out that you're guilty of the same extremist view-point as the gun grabbers is asinine at best. Based on everything that has happened with the OP, I'm not saying that he should be stripped of his right to carry, but he should seriously analyze what he is doing to be a cautious gun owner.
 

randalee

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Points taken. Do you think I'll ever lose track of my firearm again? Nope. Will I be extra cautious? You bet.

Perhaps in your state there is a penalty for negligent folks -- who allow someone to steal something of yours. But I doubt it. Let's say a person forgot to lock their front door, and a criminal enters the home, and kills someone in the house. Is the person who forgot to lock the door at fault?

I'm not going to downplay me being dumb and forgetting to lock the door on my car. But my firearm was in a safe place at home. Nothing wrong with it being in the back of the sock drawer. You may like to unload yours, and keep it locked up in a safe, but I don't have a safe. My family has been well-trained, and knows how to respect firearms. Even my small children are very aware and respectful. You ask any of my kids what to do if they see a gun, and they'll tell you EXACTLY what to do to be gun safe. My state doesn't require me to do the same things as you. We don't need laws to protect us from ourselves. Trigger locks are silly. Gun safes are neat, but expensive. Common sense rules at my home.

But you can be SURE I am cautious, responsible and respectful of firearms. I don't know anyone else more respectful than me. I can't stand even being swept by a muzzle. Happens all the time at gun shops, etc., and many people don't think about it. I will certainly take better care of my weapon. Thanks to all who commented.
 

Rock Hydra

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Dude, whatever the case. I'm actually GLAD you left it in your sock drawer and some looney doesn't have possession of it.
 

BigJ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: randalee
Points taken. Do you think I'll ever lose track of my firearm again? Nope. Will I be extra cautious? You bet.

Perhaps in your state there is a penalty for negligent folks -- who allow someone to steal something of yours. But I doubt it. Let's say a person forgot to lock their front door, and a criminal enters the home, and kills someone in the house. Is the person who forgot to lock the door at fault?

I'm not going to downplay me being dumb and forgetting to lock the door on my car. But my firearm was in a safe place at home. Nothing wrong with it being in the back of the sock drawer. You may like to unload yours, and keep it locked up in a safe, but I don't have a safe. My family has been well-trained, and knows how to respect firearms. Even my small children are very aware and respectful. You ask any of my kids what to do if they see a gun, and they'll tell you EXACTLY what to do to be gun safe. My state doesn't require me to do the same things as you. We don't need laws to protect us from ourselves. Trigger locks are silly. Gun safes are neat, but expensive. Common sense rules at my home, and in my state.

What I find ironic is you have a CCW to protect against the worst. But you won't have a gun safe for your car when storing a gun there to protect against the worst, which would be somebody breaking into your car and stealing your weapon.

Your comparison to leaving your door unlocked and people stealing from your house is far off from leaving a lethal weapon unsecured in a car. The worst case scenario in the event your house is unlocked is replacable stuff gets stolen. The worst case scenario in the event your car is unlocked and your gun gets stolen is that someone dies. Also, it's a matter of being responsible when the state gives you the priviledge of carrying and concealing a firearm.

And guess what, the blame does get put on the person who left their door unlocked in certain situations such as theft, in the form of the insurance company not covering the losses.

As for the sock drawer, it's fine with me that you keep it there. It's the fact that everything that could've happened with you possibly leaving it in the car, and then on top of it not even realizing you put it in the sock drawer, which is something you never do. You were irresponsible with your gun not once, but several times.

I'm extremely glad it was actually at your home, and I'm glad that you received such a valuable lesson with no dire consequences.
 

JEDI

Lifer
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Originally posted by: randalee
You guys will certainly call shenanigans...

I posted number 300 on the "lost my gun" thread, and went home. My wife presented me with a little gift. I was SHOCKED.

I HAD PUT MY GUN IN THE BACK OF MY SOCK DRAWER! I guess I hadn't taken it to Jury Duty after all! I am not joking here -- I just called the police to report I had found it. They were happy to hear it, and I'm happy too.

I took a picture

She gave u my gun?!
 

crumpet19

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I'm not going to rag on you for 'misplacing' it.
I do hope that you never misplace it when you need it. I also hope that you never actually have a firearm stolen.
And, I'm glad that you were responsible enough to report it.