What did darwin mean by this?

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. There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.
 

Gooberlx2

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It means Darwin was an evolutionist.....not an atheist.

edit: Maybe one could categorize him as a deist, based solely on this statement. But, IIRC, Darwin had personal/philosophical issues with his own discoveries because of his faith.
 

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Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
It means Darwin was an evolutionist.....not an athiest.

ding ding ding....

teh Winn4r

Darwin believed in a divine spirit and saw evolution through this light.
 

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Something about how life can be viewed as magnificent, and a Creator started it all with a simple beginning and it evolved into what it is today.

What Gooberlx2 said about evolutionist and not an athiest.
 

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It means he had no idea how life started, so instead of causing more ripples than he needed to, he just added the Creator thing.
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: Warthog912
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Darwin was full of crap.

care to tell us why you think this?

Or you just make a point and not back it up, just like both politicians we saw on TV tonight. :p

edit: sorry not trying to bait this thread....just a non-funny joke. I would also like to hear your reasoning.
 

Warthog912

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: Warthog912
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Darwin was full of crap.

care to tell us why you think this?

8/10, he is trolling, unless he is refering to gradualism......

Actually I was just curious. As to you jumping to conclusions that is another story-


Or you just make a point and not back it up, just like both politicians we saw on TV tonight.

Did you see a point out of that? I was asking a simple question- As for not backing it up, the burdon of proof is on you my friend. For I didn't mean to make a point, I was curious as to ur reason-
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: Warthog912

Or you just make a point and not back it up, just like both politicians we saw on TV tonight.

Did you see a point out of that? I was asking a simple question- As for not backing it up, the burdon of proof is on you my friend. For I didn't mean to make a point, I was curious as to ur reason-

I am with you on your inquiry to HappyPuppy, my friend.....I was simply continuing your question into a statement with my own words. ;)
 

Schadenfroh

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Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
Darwin wrote that because he didn't want to be pwned by the chruch.

was the church that powerfull when he wrote on the origin of species?

i mean, he was not living at the time of the inquisition
 

Warthog912

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Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: Warthog912

Or you just make a point and not back it up, just like both politicians we saw on TV tonight.

Did you see a point out of that? I was asking a simple question- As for not backing it up, the burdon of proof is on you my friend. For I didn't mean to make a point, I was curious as to ur reason-

I am with you on your inquiry to HappyPuppy, my friend.....I was simply continuing your question into a statement with my own words. ;)

Gottcha. My apologies

Tend to be on the defensive, with all the fuss about the debates
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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I didn't think so. I assume they still had some power. Diffenently couldn't execute him or anything.
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
Darwin wrote that because he didn't want to be pwned by the chruch.

was the church that powerfull when he wrote on the origin of species?

i mean, he was not living at the time of the inquisition

Certainly not as powerful, but faith in general was/is still a force to be reckoned with. What he was saying flew in the face of just about EVERYTHING that was accepted concerning the origin of species. Moreover, it made logical, scientific sense, which was very threatening. Science does not like to make drastic changes.
 

Gooberlx2

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I guess that didn't really answer the question. Darwin didn't say this in order to not get pwn3d by the church. He saw no conflicts between faith and his theory, but many others did. His thoughts were not popular right from the get-go. So when your work and livelihood is based on investors giving you grants and being able to be published, proposing something so controversial could lead to professional suicide.

Check out aboutdarwin. Some interesting stuff.
 

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Some of the cellular activities that go on in the human cell is amazing. There MUST be a greater power that is behind all this who thought it up, created it, and animated it all.
 

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Has anyone here actually read the Origin of Species and studied a bit of Darwin's history?

Darwin was a devout Catholic and not just because the church was powerful and he feared them. Darwin was deeply troubled by his findings. He firmly believed in Creation by design but also was a strict scientist and meticulously recorded his findings. He was torn on his theory of evolution and did not want to publish it. Much of his work was not published until after his death because he refused to publish it until he could do further studies. Though he didn't mention it in his notes, I wonder if he was searching for a way to show that evolution was a process created by God to gradually change creation.

Darwin is an excellent example of a scientist that has faith and does not see a need to separate the two and label them opposites.
 

nageov3t

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Darwin was pretty big into God. I don't know where the idea that he was a godless heathen came from.
 

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Darwin was pretty big into God. I don't know where the idea that he was a godless heathen came from.

from the first post.


strange how the first post always has a way in guiding the discussion to a certain area.
 

Goosemaster

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he meant that ignorance is bliss.


Anyways....


Humanity gravitates to surrondings or beliefs that are grandeous and, for all respects, perfect.

He seems to mean that analyzing existance from a religious perspective is quite grandeous when you think about it. The world exists endlessly while we all live, evolve, and die.

Truely, he is regarding how drastic the changes are for that which lives on earth.