what desktop video card is equivalent to this notebook NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS?

Solodays

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im getting a notebooks which has this NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS on it, i was just wondering if it's anygood or what desktop card equivalent to it.

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manimal

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Well a 8400 desktop variant would be fairly close. Look at benchmarks for the desktop 8400s and you should a get a picture of what kind of gaming you should get out of it.
 

Noema

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I wasn't able to find many benchmarks for the 8400M but I'm guessing it'd be slower than a 6600GT, perhaps roughly comparable to a 1300XT? Or maybe a 7300GT...

At any rate, this is not a gaming GPU. Its saving grace is that it provides hardware accelerated h.264 video decoding.
 

Rockinacoustic

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Here is a 3Dmark06 benchmark

Based on their results I'd say it's roughly 80% the performance of the x1600/go7600 class. Not horrible, but it won't play the latest games at high settings or resolutions. It's a nice step up from the previous low end class of notebook gpu's (x1400/go7400) though.
 

Solodays

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Originally posted by: Noema
I wasn't able to find many benchmarks for the 8400M but I'm guessing it'd be slower than a 6600GT, perhaps roughly comparable to a 1300XT? Or maybe a 7300GT...

At any rate, this is not a gaming GPU. Its saving grace is that it provides hardware accelerated h.264 video decoding.



8400m gs equivalent to the 6600gt? isnt that video card like 2-3 years old? i thought the laptop grahpic video is the pretty much the same as todays moderm desktop 8 series cards?????
 

n7

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Originally posted by: Solodays

8400m gs equivalent to the 6600gt? isnt that video card like 2-3 years old? i thought the laptop grahpic video is the pretty much the same as todays moderm desktop 8 series cards?????

If only...

Till you spend a ton, you never get anything decent for GPUs in notebooks...
 

Matt2

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It's an extremely low end variant of the 8-Series.

That GPU is going to be slow.
 

myocardia

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Originally posted by: Solodays
shouldnt the 8400ms gs be very smilar to ur BFG 8800GTX in ur sig. i meant...a 8400ms gs mobile graphic equivalent to a 6600gt is a little hard to believe. why even call it 8400 if the graphic is years behind desktop?

It seems that an 8400 GS is nearly identical in speed to a 6600 GT. Good luck with it outperforming an 8800 GTX.:D
 

Noema

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Originally posted by: Solodays


shouldnt the 8400ms gs be very smilar to ur BFG 8800GTX in ur sig. i meant...a 8400ms gs mobile graphic equivalent to a 6600gt is a little hard to believe. why even call it 8400 if the graphic is years behind desktop?

Because although the 6600GT is almost 3 years old now, back when it came out it was a very, very respectable high-mid-end card that retailed for $200. The 6600GT is everything a mid-range part should be. It was affordable, yet offered performance that equalled or in some cases super-passed the previous generation's high end= the 9800. The 6600GT is what the 8600GTS should have been, but isn't.

The 8400M is an 8xxx series card, but it's followed by a '4', which means low end. It's just a newer low end model, but low end it is. And its being a laptop part doesn't help: laptop parts are usually slower than their desktop counterparts because of heat and power concerns.

Like I said, it does have a saving grace: it has a built in hardware h.264 video decoder.

But gaming? Forget it, unless you either want to play older games (like 2004 or older) or newer games at 640x480 with low settings.


 
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Originally posted by: Noema

But gaming? Forget it, unless you either want to play older games (like 2004 or older) or newer games at 640x480 with low settings.

Now, I think that's a bit harsh- the 8400GS is, after all, faster than the 7400/X1400 mobile cards, and the X1400 in particular was never a slow card. I mean compared to enthusiast high-end 8-series parts it was next to nothing, but it is capable of playing new games at med/low settings and respectable resolutions. For example, it is quite capable of playing BF2 and BF2142 at 10x7 resolution and low-ish settings. I expect the 8400GS to do the same.

cool..but what's ..." h.264 video decoder. "

The h.264 video decoder allows the graphics card to take on some of the video processing duties normally regulated to the CPU. The low and mid-range nVidia and ATI cards both have this capability. Basically, you will experience fewer dropped frames, lower CPU utilization, and higher quality post-processing.
 

hans007

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the 8400 series has full hardware vc-1 and h264 so it should play blueray perfectly. thats part of the reason that card was even made, just low end hardware decode.

3d performance is probably about 7600gs 6600gt speed ont he desktop
 

RussianSensation

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Originally posted by: n7
Originally posted by: Solodays

8400m gs equivalent to the 6600gt? isnt that video card like 2-3 years old? i thought the laptop grahpic video is the pretty much the same as todays moderm desktop 8 series cards?????

If only...

Till you spend a ton, you never get anything decent for GPUs in notebooks...

Unfortunately, you cannot get laptop gaming performance anywhere near the desktop performance in this generation.

Top of the line NV mobile 8700M GT has just 32 Stream processors, 25.6GB/sec of bandwidth on 128-bit memory bus vs. 128 Stream Processors, 86.4GB/sec and 384-bit memory bus for 8800GTX.

8400M GS fares even worse as it only has 16 Stream processors and 64-bit memory interface from 1999.
 

hans007

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Originally posted by: userman
So whats a desktop 8400gs like compared to the 8400gs mobile?
A friend bought a 8400gs
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814121086
And is trying to find out if it would be better than a 6800NU Agp.

i think the laptop version is clocked lower.


seems like its always one level higher.


i.e. the 8700 go is clocked the same as the 8600gt. the 8600 go is clocked lower than a desktop 8600gt.

an 8400gs deskop chip is running 450/800 with 64bit bus 900mhz shaders.

based on this page...

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8400M.html

the 8400M gs , runs 400mhz core, with 600 memory and 800 shader.

it also says on that page that the 8400M GT , runs 450 core, 900 shader , 600memory 128bit bus.

that makes it almost as fast as a 8500GT desktop version (which is the same chip anyway, but 450 core, 800 memory, 900 shader 128bit bus)

from benckmarks i've seen the 8400gs desktop chip is somewhere between a geforce 6600 non GT and a 7600GS. that said... the laptop version with even slower memory is going to be even slower. so lets say geforce 6600 at best.
 

hans007

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Originally posted by: userman
So whats a desktop 8400gs like compared to the 8400gs mobile?
A friend bought a 8400gs
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814121086
And is trying to find out if it would be better than a 6800NU Agp.



6800NU agp is similar to the 6600GT in performance . the 8400GS mobile would probably be slightly slower for most things. I suppose in a newer game with lots of shaders it might be faster (oblivion seems to really benefit from the 8 series.... and 8600gt is a lot faster than a 7600gt in oblivion , and generally the same at other games that arent obvlivion)
 

hans007

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Originally posted by: Arkaign
8400M GS is about as fast as a 2MB EDO Dram PCI Virge DX!

:D



the 8400M has only 8 unified shaders.

its more or less useless as a video card (the GMA 3100 is possibly faster... with the new drivers).


the only real reason for getting it is the hardware vc1/h264 decode. its basically the same as the 8300GS desktop chip (8 shaders, 450/800/900shader 64bit memory) except with even slower memory(600mhz).

so its beyond slow. its probably 6200 class.
 

Insomniator

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Well I'm sure many are just wondering how it plays source...
my roomate just got a new vostro with 2 gigs/vista/8400 and
it plays source at 1680x1050/medium settings at 60 fps stable.

Sure it aint maxed but thats a high resolution and it looks good.

 

Rusin

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Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Originally posted by: n7
Originally posted by: Solodays

8400m gs equivalent to the 6600gt? isnt that video card like 2-3 years old? i thought the laptop grahpic video is the pretty much the same as todays moderm desktop 8 series cards?????

If only...

Till you spend a ton, you never get anything decent for GPUs in notebooks...

Unfortunately, you cannot get laptop gaming performance anywhere near the desktop performance in this generation.

Top of the line NV mobile 8700M GT has just 32 Stream processors, 25.6GB/sec of bandwidth on 128-bit memory bus vs. 128 Stream Processors, 86.4GB/sec and 384-bit memory bus for 8800GTX.

8400M GS fares even worse as it only has 16 Stream processors and 64-bit memory interface from 1999.
There are rumours about Geforce 8800M nearing release :p.. 8700M GT is performance wise between 8600GT and GTS, no way near Geforce GO 7950GTX or Mobility Radeon X1900.


 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: Insomniator
Well I'm sure many are just wondering how it plays source...
my roomate just got a new vostro with 2 gigs/vista/8400 and
it plays source at 1680x1050/medium settings at 60 fps stable.

Sure it aint maxed but thats a high resolution and it looks good.

The HL2 engine is what, 4-5 years old? Running it at low/medium settings should be doable on almost anything, I remember 9500 non-pro playing it like butter on old AXP boxes.

It's REALLY sad that a modern laptop is barely the gaming equal of a 5 year old PC. Maybe a better word is 'pathetic'.