what could james kim have done?

[swimscubasteve]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: swimscubasteve
Not exactly. You need to dry your wood next to the fire. And if it is only covered with snow it won't be too wet. It also help to burn smaller sized wood and not try and ignite logs.

Meh, if the fire is hot enough it doesn't matter. But your right. The snow will insulate the wood and it should be pretty dry, sript the bark if you need to. Having a big arse fire sure doesn't hurt in drying out that wood though. If anything strip the bark, put that close to the fire and use it when you need a boost. I'm not saying pile on huge fuel logs. Just build a really big/hot bonfire, get the heat up and then burn your wet stuff. Heck even a campfire can light up wet evergreen branches.

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Kim's demise was mainly due to not building a roaring, huge, fire.

well said. sounds like you wouldn't have died out there.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: swimscubasteve
well said. sounds like you wouldn't have died out there.

who knows, but make sure you share some air if I can't surface and declare an emergency.

 

[d33pt]

Originally posted by: KK
like others had said, he coulda stayed with the car. two if he was going to try and get help, stay on the road. Someone said he drove seven miles on this road before getting stuck. now to walk 7 miles shouldn't take but a few hours.

Have you tried walking in freezing weather in the snow? I was at tahoe last week. 10F with windchill. We walked not even 1/4 mile on pavement and it was so hard. Had on thick jackets, goggles, beanies, and waterproof pants with snowboard boots. We were absolutely freezing and miserable. I actually thought of James Kim and how he endured this for 10 miles with less clothing.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: swimscubasteve
Not exactly. You need to dry your wood next to the fire. And if it is only covered with snow it won't be too wet. It also help to burn smaller sized wood and not try and ignite logs.

Meh, if the fire is hot enough it doesn't matter. But your right. The snow will insulate the wood and it should be pretty dry, sript the bark if you need to. Having a big arse fire sure doesn't hurt in drying out that wood though. If anything strip the bark, put that close to the fire and use it when you need a boost. I'm not saying pile on huge fuel logs. Just build a really big/hot bonfire, get the heat up and then burn your wet stuff. Heck even a campfire can light up wet evergreen branches.

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Kim's demise was mainly due to not building a roaring, huge, fire.

How about loading wood into the car to dry off. At least it won't get wetter if it starts raining. I think they huddled in the car a few days while it snowed and rained so things must have been soggy.

Also you could drain the engine oil right after you run out of gas before it congeals from the cold. Useful for starting fires.

If you trek across the country break branches or prop them up to mark your trail.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: d33pt

Originally posted by: KK
like others had said, he coulda stayed with the car. two if he was going to try and get help, stay on the road. Someone said he drove seven miles on this road before getting stuck. now to walk 7 miles shouldn't take but a few hours.

Have you tried walking in freezing weather in the snow? I was at tahoe last week. 10F with windchill. We walked not even 1/4 mile on pavement and it was so hard. Had on thick jackets, goggles, beanies, and waterproof pants with snowboard boots. We were absolutely freezing and miserable. I actually thought of James Kim and how he endured this for 10 miles with less clothing.

Sorry to get off track. But you should be HOT if you did that. Dress appropriately and don't underestimate good cold weather (ski/camp) gear.

 

[FilmCamera]

Originally posted by: d33pt

Originally posted by: KK
like others had said, he coulda stayed with the car. two if he was going to try and get help, stay on the road. Someone said he drove seven miles on this road before getting stuck. now to walk 7 miles shouldn't take but a few hours.

Have you tried walking in freezing weather in the snow? I was at tahoe last week. 10F with windchill. We walked not even 1/4 mile on pavement and it was so hard. Had on thick jackets, goggles, beanies, and waterproof pants with snowboard boots. We were absolutely freezing and miserable. I actually thought of James Kim and how he endured this for 10 miles with less clothing.

I don't see how you could have been that bad off with all that clothing. I could easily walk 7 miles in those temps with your clothing...assuming it was actual good quality clothing. Though what he was in...would have been very cold, though survivable.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: d33pt

Originally posted by: KK
like others had said, he coulda stayed with the car. two if he was going to try and get help, stay on the road. Someone said he drove seven miles on this road before getting stuck. now to walk 7 miles shouldn't take but a few hours.

Have you tried walking in freezing weather in the snow? I was at tahoe last week. 10F with windchill. We walked not even 1/4 mile on pavement and it was so hard. Had on thick jackets, goggles, beanies, and waterproof pants with snowboard boots. We were absolutely freezing and miserable. I actually thought of James Kim and how he endured this for 10 miles with less clothing.

yes, many a times. hunting, and it's takes more energy walking in the woods than it does on a road.

 

[0roo0roo]

metal cup from walmart is about a buck, probably a good thing to have too. can't boil water without one easily

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: WT
Always follow the road ... you don't normally run into other drivers or rescue workers in the middle of the woods. He was only a half of a mile from a lodge, so you never retrace your steps, which is what he did. He knew how far he had driven and passed nothing, so forge ahead and continue along a path that offers your best chance of being found.

Such a sad loss too ... God be with him and watch over the family.

:thumbsup:

Some survival gear in the trunk, MREs, blankets. My blankets, ponchos, flares, shovel, axe have been transfered from car to car for twenty years now.

A good map of the area would have been nice to have.

While thats nice, MREs expire FYI.

 

[TecHNooB]

Your ideas suck. If it were me I would have stripped the car (with my bare hands of course), build a huge satellite thingamjigger, wire it up to my cell phone, power the thing with solar panels (stripped from my solar powered car of course), fly in construction equipment and build myself a resort. I win.

Oh, and Ill be eating bears and dining on urine while this is all happening.

 

[13Gigatons]

Things to be noted:

1. He did not purposely go into the forrest, he took a wrong turn.

2. The gate should have been closed that would have blocked him from entering that area but someone vandalized the gate breaking the lock and leaving it opened.

3. He started a fire but it went out by the time the helicopters were flying over.

4. He could have made it to the lodge if he had known where it was.

5. Never leave the car, it's harder to find you.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
metal cup from walmart is about a buck, probably a good thing to have too. can't boil water without one easily

too bad hubcaps aren't as common as they used to be.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
Your ideas suck. If it were me I would have stripped the car (with my bare hands of course), build a huge satellite thingamjigger, wire it up to my cell phone, power the thing with solar panels (stripped from my solar powered car of course), fly in construction equipment and build myself a resort. I win.

Oh, and Ill be eating bears and dining on urine while this is all happening.

OK... I think that someone was been watching too many "Survivorman" and "I shouldn't be alive" episodes

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
metal cup from walmart is about a buck, probably a good thing to have too. can't boil water without one easily

too bad hubcaps aren't as common as they used to be.

heh, you mean metal caps, all the cars i've had experience with have plastic caps these days.

cop cars have mini caps though..metal. trivia question, why mini cap?

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
OK... I think that someone was been watching too many "Survivorman" and "I shouldn't be alive" episodes

don't forget man v wild. nothing like winter tragedies to justify watching more tv and making yourself more paranoid

 

[0roo0roo]

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We provide it as it is, just translated to html media, up to you to find what is of use or not. It does make a good base to start reading about survival and basic outdoor survival skills. If there are parts you do not agree, we recommend you to use the comment feature available for each chapter, so that everybody can benefit of them.

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[ultimatebob]

It's too bad that he didn't have a satellite phone, like "The Poptart Sailor" does.