What constitutes kidnapping? UPDATE!!! WOOHOO :D

SinfulWeeper

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A couple weeks ago my estranged wife left the town w/o informing me and has been deneying me phone or visual contact dispite my efferts to speak with her or my kids. The lawyers I talk to are wanting mega bux to take this to court since I obviously have a totally uncoperative wife to get me in interm custody ruling.

I woke up a few minutes ago with a brilliant dream, though that might have been all it was. Here was what I dreamed based on many realities:

1. My wife did leave town (air is the only way in or out) without telling me along my chirldren
2. The is no recent domestic viloence between us two in over 4 years, nor any arguements that remotely got close to any form of phsicality..
3. I was housing her in my residence along with my two kids and her newborn.
4. She planned leaving leaving town without telling me, this is easily provable as it was my father who brought her to the airport with her asking not to let me know.
5. After establishing she is in a Salvation Army, she refuses to talk to me or leave me any messages.
6. Imediate family of her new boyfriend says every time she takes to kids over to eat... they eat like they are not fed well.

Anyway my idea was this:

I go over to the police department and issue a kidnapping report. If successful it will result in two very important things.
1. Div. of Family and Social services will take immediate custody of my kids as they will see the kids are without a parent since the mother would be in jail pending arrignment (felony) soon as the mother is arrested.
2. They will see that the father filed kidnapping so within a day or or they will treansport the kids to me for the better being of the children.

With those two things in my ball court, that makes a very solid case for a potential attourney to issue a temporary custody order in my favor. In which it'll be very very hard for my wife to get the ball back in her court.

I know, this will end up very ugly in court and cost us both a lot. She will undoubtably ask her possible future attourney for me to pay him/her because of her (my wifes) financial difficulties. Unfortunately for her I will ask the same and it is more in my favor as her any her b/f blew over 100K from both inheritance and cival court.

My question is this: Since she did leave w/o me knowing and with no legal documentation to back her up topped with refusal for me to talk with my kids and having no ongoing legal things to keep me from my kids, do I have the legal right (not moral, it severely lacks there) to press a kidnapping report?

BTW, I have many plans to get tempory custody of my kids until the court determines who gets custody, but this by far is the absolute I can think of.

---update---

I just came back from OCS (Office of Children Services) at the state building. They are backing me because unbeknown to me, she had a open case against her from them. For not properly taking care of the children (incompetence).

There is no longer a need to press kidnapping. They issued me a order to take the kids and is providing airfare for me and them :D
I leave Friday and return Saturday. If she fails to honor the order (ie not giving the kids over) or fights me. OCS authorizes the Anchorage police department to place her under arrest for some felony charge (I forgot the exact charge, but when I get the paperwork tommorrow I will know for certain).

So there really is no more need for my to try raising lots of funds to hire an attourney. While one will still be required, with the State backing me. She will need to fork over the big dough (which she does not have), while I get the much reduced rate. That and OCS will not be letting her retake custody without heavy proof against me in my home town court. If she succeeds (which she wont), OCS will take emergency custody of the kids pending a final divorce order on who gets custody and they will live with their closest family member from my house, that would be my mother and she agree's that if the worst should happen, she will care for the kids. In which case that'll be damaging for her as well since they deemed her incompetent (my wife).

In all I am very exited. Had I not gone to see the OCS, their pending case would have closed in 9 more days and let one of two things happen. 1. They would take custody of the children and place them in foster care (they did not consider me because she totally failed to mention to them I can take care of them). That would have been the most likely outcome. 2. The unlikely part, they would have continued letting her care for the kids in her custody.

Now all I have to do is find out what Salvation Army home they are staying in... there are many of them in Anchorage :disgust:
 

SinfulWeeper

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well, anyway like I said I woke up from my sleep on this idea. Now it is time to re-hit the sack. I'll read replies, wether they are good or bad when I wake up.
 

ATLien247

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Maybe you should call the police and/or DFS and ask them what you should do. I'm sure they know more about how these things work than ATOT...
 

Kilgor

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Originally posted by: ATLien247
Maybe you should call the police and/or DFS and ask them what you should do. I'm sure they know more about how these things work than ATOT...

Pfft... Of course he should come to ATOT first.

Yeah that Beotch kidnapped your kids by law you have the right to take them back by force if need be.
 

MrChad

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Um, wait a minute. If she has legal custody of the children (you aren't divorced yet, right?), she has every right to take the kids out of town. I don't think it qualifies as kidnapping unless she does not have legal custody of the kids.

Other disturbing things in your post stood out:

2. The is no recent domestic viloence between us two in over 4 years, nor any arguements that remotely got close to any form of phsicality..

Does this imply that there is a history of domestic violence?

3. I was housing her in my residence along with my two kids and her newborn.

So the newborn is not yours? Why haven't you separated yet?
 

imported_Pablo

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Originally posted by: MrChad
Um, wait a minute. If she has legal custody of the children (you aren't divorced yet, right?), she has every right to take the kids out of town. I don't think it qualifies as kidnapping unless she does not have legal custody of the kids.

Other disturbing things in your post stood out:

2. The is no recent domestic viloence between us two in over 4 years, nor any arguements that remotely got close to any form of phsicality..

Does this imply that there is a history of domestic violence?

3. I was housing her in my residence along with my two kids and her newborn.

So the newborn is not yours? Why haven't you separated yet?

 

SearchMaster

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You're a man. You'll lose if you try to push this legally. I feel bad for you and the kids though. Hope things work out.
 

Armitage

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Yep ... strange post.
Unless you have a custody agreement that says otherwise, this is not kidnapping.

5. After establishing she is in a Salvation Army, she refuses to talk to me or leave me any messages.

??You mean a Salvation Army shelter??

You definitely have a strange situation there ... wife still living with you with somebody else's newborn? You dad took them to the airport and she asked him not to tell you and he thought that was OK?? Dude ... you should be on Jerry Springer.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: SearchMaster
You're a man. You'll lose if you try to push this legally. I feel bad for you and the kids though. Hope things work out.

actually more and more courts are starting to look at whats best for for the child. Even if that means putting them with the father. there are groups out there that will help.

but to the OP that does not sound like kidnapping and you file a false charge it will backfire on you worse then you can possibly imagine.
 

dabuddha

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Wow sorry about your situation. All I can tell you is that I would do anything it takes to get my children back. Anything.
 

TheGameIs21

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I will admit I have never been in this situation but I would still like to give my .02.

I would get an Atty to advise me of my and her rights in this situation. I would then do EVERYTHING possible to prevent having the police get involved. If the police get involved, the kids will see that Daddy called the cops and had mommy arrested. You might be in the right to do so but do you want to cause that kind of trauma in the kids?

I know that I would be crazy nuts if my wife took off with our three kids... But I also think that I'd try to not involve the police and go through other methods that the atty's suggest.
 

Pliablemoose

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Hire a lawyer, and quickly, there's no way around it.

You're also hosed, her lawyer's going to ask "Have you quit beating your wife yet?"

Best advice I can give you, and coming from a guy who's had 6 lawyers retained at once, and one of the 1% of guys in Texas awarded custody of a child under the age of 10 in a disputed custody case, is to be brutally honest with your lawyer about everything, including the history of domestic abuse.

Good luck, I feel for you...
 

isasir

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Originally posted by: MrChad
Um, wait a minute. If she has legal custody of the children (you aren't divorced yet, right?), she has every right to take the kids out of town. I don't think it qualifies as kidnapping unless she does not have legal custody of the kids.

Other disturbing things in your post stood out:

2. The is no recent domestic viloence between us two in over 4 years, nor any arguements that remotely got close to any form of phsicality..

Does this imply that there is a history of domestic violence?

3. I was housing her in my residence along with my two kids and her newborn.

So the newborn is not yours? Why haven't you separated yet?

I believe MrChad is correct. If she has legal custody of the kids, she can legally take them out of town.
 

myusername

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Your own father took her to the airport without telling you, and she is preferring a Salvation Army shelter to your residence...

Time for sterilization of all parties involved.
 

dabuddha

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Originally posted by: myusername
Your own father took her to the airport without telling you, and she is preferring a Salvation Army shelter to your residence...

Time for sterilization of all parties involved.

Yeah there is definitely more to this story.
 
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http://www.fathersrightsinc.com/

Lots of free info, and check out all the links from this page. It's unfortunately a tougher situation than it has to be cause it's sometimes hard to find free accurate advice/help in these situations, but it is out there. The best thing you can do is spend all the free time you have pouring over the free info available online and you'll soon be much better prepared when/if you have to get lawers or law enforcement involved. Once you know your rights the attorney you interview will know she/he can't screw around with your finances and you are much more empowered in the process instead of trusting an hourly paid worker to do what's best for you.
 

Encryptic

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Originally posted by: SearchMaster
You're a man. You'll lose if you try to push this legally. I feel bad for you and the kids though. Hope things work out.

Yep. Unfortunately, the playing field is definitely slanted in her favor just because you're the man.

In any case, I'd see if you can get a free consult with an attorney and find out what your options are instead of asking ATOT. Sounds like a pretty crappy situation.
 

notfred

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The kids live in your house. They go to thier mom's boyfriend's house and eat like pigs: Therefore you are the one feeding them inadequately.
Your father sides with her on this issue, and takes her airport. Your father is someone who's loyalty should lie with his own son unless there's some extenuating circumstances.
You have a history of violence with this woman. Not in the last 4 years, but before that you were violent.

Your own post makes you sound like a child neglecting wife beater who's own family wont even support him. I don't see how or why you should end up with custody of your children.
 

SinfulWeeper

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notfred, you are mistaken. They were properly fed while in my care. She left town two weeks ago and are now stuffing their faces from hunger when she drops by one of my family members house for some help.

My father sided with her for the fact that he did not agree with her staying with me and could cause more legal troubles down the road. And this was only for the transportation out of town. She was not being abused so she could not stay at the women shelter. Aparantly she tried that route, and with no one else to stay with here in Nome. My father paid her ticket out of town behind my back as he thought I would lose my cool having her leave again to stay in a not so good place, which he was probably right. I was not about to let my kids live ion a tent again. And they are not, they are one step above... in the Salvation Army. Which if she breaks any of their rules, she is out, and in search of another residence.
 

SinfulWeeper

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Originally posted by: Mill
Did you ever hit her?

If so I'd have left you too, you prick!

If by hitting her you mean a slap... I am guilty :(
If by hitting her you mean beating her and punching her, I have never done such a thing.