I'd agree that on average, he's right. But I've never been average. I just got lucky and have good genetics I guess. I wasn't the valedictorian of my school, but my sister was
I'd agree that on average, he's right. But I've never been average. I just got lucky and have good genetics I guess. I wasn't the valedictorian of my school, but my sister was
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I don't think I was very clear in what I was trying to say. We are in complete agreement. Right now I don't have those buzzwords needed to put me in the good stack of resumes. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to hammer out the 2003 MCSA and then finish up with the MCSE later on. I'm just trying to get the thing tweaked as I can to even get recognized, let alone hired.
NONE as of yet... hopefully will start comp sci uni in january and then i'll try to get a couple important certs over the summers to have a nice well rounded package by the time i'm done with uni
Originally posted by: vi_edit
I don't think I was very clear in what I was trying to say. We are in complete agreement. Right now I don't have those buzzwords needed to put me in the good stack of resumes. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to hammer out the 2003 MCSA and then finish up with the MCSE later on. I'm just trying to get the thing tweaked as I can to even get recognized, let alone hired.
Good Luck, but every Tom Dick and Harry has those cert's. Go for something more specialized like perhaps the checkpoint cert's. Thats not my directive after taking a break from Cisco cert's..
JoLLyRoGer
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The 2003 path is pretty uncharted right now. Only about 10%(maybe less) of MCSE/MCSA's are 2003. Plus it is my easiest path to go right now since I've administrated MS networks for 5 years. The certs are more of a formality than anything.
Once I knock them out, I'll head over to the Cisco side of things.
A+ Net+
Experience is really more important than any of those, IMHO. The most knowledgeable I know computer wise has zero certs, and makes $60.00 an hour doing tech work.
25years expierence is going to trump anything, IMHO.
That being said, I will get as many certs as I can lay my grubby hands on, since my boss gives me a raise for each one, and pays for them.
Next up is probably going to be linux+ then security+. Then I'll go on and do CCNA and the microsoft BS.
Experience is really more important than any of those, IMHO. The most knowledgeable I know computer wise has zero certs, and makes $60.00 an hour doing tech work.
25years expierence is going to trump anything, IMHO.
That being said, I will get as many certs as I can lay my grubby hands on, since my boss gives me a raise for each one, and pays for them.
Next up is probably going to be linux+ then security+. Then I'll go on and do CCNA and the microsoft BS.
yllus
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My personal opinion is that most jobs in 'IT', which is my general definition for light to medium difficulty hardware and software installs/maintenance, aren't really the ones that really benefit from the education instilled from a degree.
Change the position to that of software development or research and it's a whole new ballgame. It's not that you couldn't pick someone off the street and teach them to develop software properly in time, but there are certain lessons on the subtler aspects of the area that you will probably only pick up in a college-type education.
In an interview, are you going to be able to talk about and expand on stuff you learned during your four years of college and the lessons, teamwork and frustrations you experienced during all that...or the readings you did for your certification? And don't tell me that certified people make that up with on-the-job experience, because it's simply untrue. While a 22-yo with certs starts working at help desk at 18 and graduates a few levels up, the college grad can talk airily about his project management experience as well as the nitty gritty details.
Then you have the quality versus quantity argument. Say we both have the same degree, the same X years experience and the same certs. Then you get an A+ as well. Is that going to get you hired over me? Hardly! Maverick has the right idea - if you're going to get certs, go get specifically targetted ones that make you out as the expert in the niche you're carving out for yourself. A+, Network+, even a MCSE is generally pointless.
Change the position to that of software development or research and it's a whole new ballgame. It's not that you couldn't pick someone off the street and teach them to develop software properly in time, but there are certain lessons on the subtler aspects of the area that you will probably only pick up in a college-type education.
In an interview, are you going to be able to talk about and expand on stuff you learned during your four years of college and the lessons, teamwork and frustrations you experienced during all that...or the readings you did for your certification? And don't tell me that certified people make that up with on-the-job experience, because it's simply untrue. While a 22-yo with certs starts working at help desk at 18 and graduates a few levels up, the college grad can talk airily about his project management experience as well as the nitty gritty details.
Then you have the quality versus quantity argument. Say we both have the same degree, the same X years experience and the same certs. Then you get an A+ as well. Is that going to get you hired over me? Hardly! Maverick has the right idea - if you're going to get certs, go get specifically targetted ones that make you out as the expert in the niche you're carving out for yourself. A+, Network+, even a MCSE is generally pointless.
B.S. in Computer Science, B.S. in Applied Mathematics, M.S. Computer Science (current student).
CCNA, A+, Security+, and currently working on CCNP and CCSP in home lab as time permits.
CCNA, A+, Security+, and currently working on CCNP and CCSP in home lab as time permits.
Thats why its important to do content specific internships while doing a C.S. undergrad or grad degree and rack up as much experience with the individual area you want to focus in for a career.
I can keep a computer running healthy for years and years without needing to reformat.
epenis+++++
epenis+++++
ccna, mcse2000, working on ccnp, a+ from ages ago, rhcp, a random novell cert, couple others worthless ones. lots of experience though
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wheresmybacon
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A+, MCSE NT4, and some random printer sh!t.. I got those years and years ago and haven't had any desire to do more now that I'm no longer contracting. FTE for the win...
I'm an admin for a large company and I don't have the MCSE.
About the education, IBM does have pretty vast online resources. I can get information for pretty much anything I want.
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