Got no internship this summer, need to have a job next year summer, so I figured I will go for some certifications this summer. What certifications are good when looking for a software programming job?
What Certification Is Good To Get This Summer For A Software Programmer?
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you mean... MCSD Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
i agree with others.
certs don't make you a programmer.
MCSD will get you a 6 digit income. But you will need to study hard. Learning to program xml and visual basic,c# and c++ can get you started,if you like to sit in a cubicle and pound out code all day. MCSD will make you the guy in the corner office directing those dweebs in the cubicles.
Your choice. And anyone who tells you you do not need certs is clueless about the real world. Head hunters and HR people want to see proof of education AND experience,and they know certs mean some hands on experience at least in the training area. If you are teachable, that is what they want. And getting your certification shows you are capable of learning.
Otherwise you could be a dead head thread crapper like Spamela.
Your choice. And anyone who tells you you do not need certs is clueless about the real world. Head hunters and HR people want to see proof of education AND experience,and they know certs mean some hands on experience at least in the training area. If you are teachable, that is what they want. And getting your certification shows you are capable of learning.
Otherwise you could be a dead head thread crapper like Spamela.
Uh, you don't work in Las Vegas for a major casino chain,or for Proctor and Gamble or general motors do you, wise guy? Yes, 6 digit income is a reality. Because you don't make it,doesn't mean it isn't done by others. Get quailified and perhaps you CAN get a 6 digit income.
My nephew is a programmer and made 6 digits for awhile, before his company shut down. That is the nature of IT. If you are in the right geographical area and have the right skills, you can make a killing. However, things change so quickly there is no long term security and you might find yourself moving at least once following jobs. Just my experience talking here.
That is rifled with presumptions...
No, I don't work for a major casino chain, and I don't want to. I don't work for P&G, and again, I don't want to. Same goes for GM. Thanks...
I never stated my salary, and don't intend to do so now. I make significantly more than any other developers under me as I'm senior level, and not because some piece of paper. I have a track record that greatly transcends any certification you can put down on the table.
MCSD doesn't indicate the quality of the developer, and it's almost laughable that you put so much value in it. I said it earlier, and I'll say it again; the best developers in the world either are not certified, or they don't promote it. It seems you've subscribed to too much marketing propaganda...
exactly.
people look at avg salary of these certs.
and think that the reason why they are making what they are making is solely because of these certs.
a big misassumption.
Descartes is right. I'm actually surprised from the post. I've been doing development for healthcare companies now for about 7 years and do have my MCSD and other certs. The one thing I can say about them is they are almost complety for show. Sorry to break any newcomer programmer's bubble, but they won't (in my experience) contribute much to your salary. The thing that will is solid expericence. Your skill level and your know how very important factors as well, but the one thing I've had asked, and the thing I ask when hiring new developers is how much experience do you have with this technology and then explain it to me.
A perfect example is a guy I interviewed about 6 months ago. The position called for a seasoned Microsoft programmer. They needed to be well versed in ASP, VB COM, SQL, and DHTML was a bonus. The interview was in the afternoon with the canidate. (Lets call him Jack) Jack arrived on time and after all the chit chat I asked him how long he's been using COM+. He quickly stated 4 years and that he has his certification. The funny thing is that so many people think once you say your certified the questions stop being asked in the area. In this case I started asking even more. To make a long story short and making Jack actually write code on a chalk board. It turned out that he never really used COM+ in previous jobs and that he was only introduced to it by his mere certification. Now don't get me wrong certs are just fine, but don't start applying for jobs that need a couple years of experience after you get it.
Oh by the way Descartes, you never got back with me on your analysis of the encryption scheme. I got a lot of info back but was interested in your findings
A perfect example is a guy I interviewed about 6 months ago. The position called for a seasoned Microsoft programmer. They needed to be well versed in ASP, VB COM, SQL, and DHTML was a bonus. The interview was in the afternoon with the canidate. (Lets call him Jack) Jack arrived on time and after all the chit chat I asked him how long he's been using COM+. He quickly stated 4 years and that he has his certification. The funny thing is that so many people think once you say your certified the questions stop being asked in the area. In this case I started asking even more. To make a long story short and making Jack actually write code on a chalk board. It turned out that he never really used COM+ in previous jobs and that he was only introduced to it by his mere certification. Now don't get me wrong certs are just fine, but don't start applying for jobs that need a couple years of experience after you get it.
Oh by the way Descartes, you never got back with me on your analysis of the encryption scheme. I got a lot of info back but was interested in your findings
coder 1.
that's a great idea.
i think all interview should have an on spot coding... with a notepad.
get all prospects together.
give them a lil' something to write with.
and see who writes the best.
that should count for at least 50% of the interview.
the other half... see how well the individual works together with others.
put them in a team setting.
forget resume.
that should definately tell who's hot and who's not.
that's a great idea.
i think all interview should have an on spot coding... with a notepad.
get all prospects together.
give them a lil' something to write with.
and see who writes the best.
that should count for at least 50% of the interview.
the other half... see how well the individual works together with others.
put them in a team setting.
forget resume.
that should definately tell who's hot and who's not.
I see that frequently when we're doing interviews. I also wrote up a quick test to just get an idea of how they solve problems, and to test what they know as well. I'd say it's a difficult test, but most at least try to answer the questions, or make an educated guess. I was surprised how many people were offended by having them write code on the spot and take this test. The only reason we did this was because we contracted several programmers who supposedly had a lot of experience but were perplexed by the Request object and the Server.CreateObject() for our COM components (I use this example because this truly happened) in one of our simple ASP pages. The most laughable test submission came from a guy who was not only certified, but based on his qualifications the most incredible developer on the face of the planet. One of the questions I had written on the test was something to the effect of, "What is a dual-interface COM component and how does Visual Basic implicitly implement the dual-interface?". His response was quite lucid, but the writing was so familiar to me. I immediately thought Ted Pattison when reading his response as it had "what's more" in the response, like Ted likes to say. I was willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt until I saw........
"See figure 1"
in the response. I almost fell out of my chair I was so flabbergasted. This guy didn't even take the time to proofread his plagiarism. He copied it verbatim to the point that he made a reference to an object in the book he plagiarised (which turned out to be Programming Distributed Applications with COM and VB by Ted Pattison)!
Note to those taking tests: if you're going to copy text out of a book and attempt to submit it as your own, don't use a popular book written by an author with a distinctive style
For the most part, one developer can discern the abilities of another developer rather quickly through a single conversation. When I interview, I briefly go over their resume, then I just have a rather casual conversation with them. Most developers get excited about their work so usually a simple question like, "Tell us about your last few projects" will elicit responses to any questions you may have had, ad infinitum.
YGPM
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