What can the Republicans an Democrats actually agree on?

[soulcougher73]

That both sides want as much power as they can get.

 

[Phokus]

Reid did not want it voted on. Ask why!

It was the Republicans that forced the vote.

But that apparently does not matter and it failed - lack of Democrat support.

So Jobs#1 went down in flames.

You do realize that Reid is one man? Who cares, and they needed 60 votes to move forward, even if all democrats were onboard, there'd be no support from the GOP.

 

[Texashiker]

Looking at everything on the table what can you guys actually agree to?

There is a lot of stuff the two parties agree on:

Free trade
Giving china most favored nation trade status
Income tax
Keeping illegal immigration legal
Keeping weed illegal
Continuing the war on drugs
Allowing greenhouse gases to pollute the atmosphere
Continuing the war in the middle east

Face the facts, as long as the two major parties are in office, nothing is going to change.

 

[Genx87]

There is a lot of stuff the two parties agree to:

Free trade
Giving china most favored nation trade status
Income tax
Keeping illegal immigration legal
Keeping weed illegal
Continuing the war on drugs
Allowing greenhouse gases to pollute the atmosphere
Continuing the war in the middle east

Face the facts, as long as the two major parties are in office, nothing is going to change.

Dont forget
Allowing the president a kill list
expanding federal power to spy on us
propping up failing industry with tax money
printing money as fast as can

 

[Texashiker]

Dont forget
Allowing the president a kill list
expanding federal power to spy on us
propping up failing industry with tax money
printing money as fast as can

bank bailouts
federal reserve
gun running operations in mexico
killing us citizens without due process (Anwar al-Awlaki and his 16 year old son)
National Defense Authorization Act
use of torture on terrorist suspects
indefinite detention with no due process or access to legal counsel

 

[kia75]

The democrats dont want to cut any spending, especially welfare

Bill Clinton led to the biggest cuts in Welfare in the 90's. It's what gave us a balanced budget. More Info here

Republican states recently asked for the ability to cut Welfare, Obama agreed if they could prove the cuts would lead to job creation. ABC news link

Again and again Democrats try to meet Republicans half-way, and again and again they're rebuffed and demonized for doing the very things Republicans claim they wanted!

This is a very recent trend, Democrats and Republicans worked together after 9-11, they worked together to help balance the budget in the 90's. Reagan and Clinton worked together to make Welfare changes in the 80's. It's only in the last 4 years that Republicans have taken complete opposite stance to the Democrats, even if it was their ideas first!

 

[shortylickens]

A priest and a rabbi were sitting in a cafe when they see a boy scout walking by outside.
Priest looks over and says "Lets fuck him!"
Rabbi says "Out of what?"


Thats how I see republicans and democrats.

 

[Matt1970]

lmao I have ocean front property in Nebraska I can sell you if you believe that at the end of the day any real cuts would be enacted by Democrats. Remember this is the party that screamed 30 billion in cuts out of a budget of 3.5 trillion was "draconian". Dumbass indeed.

Phokus won't acknowledge that. He also won't acknowledge the Democrats wrote the largest piece of legislation in history behind closed doors without one Republican present than pushed it through without barely a chance to read it much less debate much of it.

 

[Matt1970]

Bill Clinton led to the biggest cuts in Welfare in the 90's. It's what gave us a balanced budget. More Info here
!

Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act - The bill was a cornerstone of the Republican Contract with America and was introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr. (R-FL-22) who believed welfare was partly responsible for bringing immigrants to the United States.

 

[Texashiker]

Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act - The bill was a cornerstone of the Republican Contract with America and was introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr. (R-FL-22) who believed welfare was partly responsible for bringing immigrants to the United States.

Of which obama recently gutted the law.

 

[Phokus]

lmao I have ocean front property in Nebraska I can sell you if you believe that at the end of the day any real cuts would be enacted by Democrats. Remember this is the party that screamed 30 billion in cuts out of a budget of 3.5 trillion was "draconian". Dumbass indeed.

Phokus won't acknowledge that. He also won't acknowledge the Democrats wrote the largest piece of legislation in history behind closed doors without one Republican present than pushed it through without barely a chance to read it much less debate much of it.

It was agreed to, and it wasn't the DEMOCRATS who renegged, you fucking imbecile. Stop being a typical low information voter. Do you really want to be on the same level as Matt1970, who can't even tell the difference between parody news and real news?

 

[Genx87]

It was agreed to, and it wasn't the DEMOCRATS who renegged, you fucking imbecile. Stop being a typical low information voter. Do you really want to be on the same level as Matt1970, who can't even tell the difference between parody news and real news?

Why should I care what anybody thinks of me on an internet msgboard?

 

[Phokus]

Why should I care what anybody thinks of me on an internet msgboard?

Oh that's your response when someone points out your ignorance? I'll give you a reason: so you don't stay fucking retarded.

 

[nehalem256]

Republican states recently asked for the ability to cut Welfare, Obama agreed if they could prove the cuts would lead to job creation. ABC news link

In what world will cutting welfare lead to job creation?

 

[Genx87]

Oh that's your response when someone points out your ignorance? I'll give you a reason: so you don't stay fucking retarded.

You have shown a real inability to understand the most basic of what I am saying through this entire thread. So you not understanding my question about why I should care what others think of me isnt a surprise. If the litmus test on being intelligent falls upon you. We are further down the road to Idiocracy than I had previously imagined. And that is quite frankly, scary as hell.

 

[Matt1970]

it was agreed to, and it wasn't the democrats who renegged, you fucking imbecile. Stop being a typical low information voter. Do you really want to be on the same level as matt1970, who can't even tell the difference between parody news and real news?

3/14/2011

the democratic house and senate last year did not pass a budget or any of the appropriations bills. To keep the government from shutting down, mcconnell and obama negotiated a three-month cr in december. On february 19, the house republicans passed a cr (h.r. 1) that cut $61 billion in government spending for the current fiscal year, which goes through september 30.

Reid at first refused to take up the house cr, calling the cuts “draconian,” and obama said that he would veto the bill if it passed the senate. So to keep the government funded after march 4, congress had to pass a short-term cr. However, boehner said that any short-term cr to keep the government funded while budget negotiations continued would have to include cuts in spending. Thus, the house passed a two-week cr last week that cuts spending by $4 billion and expires march 18.

While the senate democrats blocked the house cr, the house democrats were claiming that they had already compromised on spending cuts. Pelosi said last week that the house democrats “have, i repeat, have cut $41 billion from president obama’s budget already.”

“we’ve come up more than halfway to meet the republican proposals, minority whip steny hoyer (d.-md.) told reporters this week.

But, the democratic leaders’ saying that they had already cut spending is merely a reference to the december cr which was $41 billion less than obama’s proposed budget, which was never enacted. So the house democrats are not willing to cut a single penny from current spending, but claiming that they have already come “halfway”.

 

[Mxylplyx]

You cut, cut, cut proponents must have failed basic economics. We can all agree that the long term structural deficits in the budget needs to be brought under control. What we can t agree on is the time frame.

GOVERNMENT SPENDING IS 40% OF GDP!!!

Do you austerity people understand what that means? You do not start aggressively cutting such a huge segment of the economy while the economy is already teetering on recession. It has to be very gradual and measured, or every dollar in cuts will lead to many more dollars in lost economic activity. How the hell can you people look across the Atlantic at Europe, and fail to see the economic implications of using Austerity to combat an economic crisis? Greece, France, Ireland, the UK?? You just choose to blind yourselves to real world examples of what not to do because of ideology? Do you think we in the US are so different that the same measures will have different results? When you are capable of borrowing at almost 0% interest to prop up an economy through the bad times, a luxury uniquely afforded to the US, YOU DO IT!!. Republicans are wanting to pull the rug out from under the recovery, and then when they inevitably get booted out of office in the next election cycle from the resulting mess, they'll turn around and blame the economic shit storm on the democrats. Hmm, that script sounds familiar.

 

[Incorruptible]

We need to cut spending, taxes and regulations. The government is killing small businesses

 

[Matt1970]

You cut, cut, cut proponents must have failed basic economics. We can all agree that the long term structural deficits in the budget needs to be brought under control. What we can t agree on is the time frame.

GOVERNMENT SPENDING IS 40% OF GDP!!!

Do you austerity people understand what that means? You do not start aggressively cutting such a huge segment of the economy while the economy is already teetering on recession. It has to be very gradual and measured, or every dollar in cuts will lead to many more dollars in lost economic activity. How the hell can you people look across the Atlantic at Europe, and fail to see the economic implications of using Austerity to combat an economic crisis? Greece, France, Ireland, the UK?? You just choose to blind yourselves to real world examples of what not to do because of ideology? Do you think we in the US are so different that the same measures will have different results? When you are capable of borrowing at almost 0% interest to prop up an economy through the bad times, a luxury uniquely afforded to the US, YOU DO IT!!. Republicans are wanting to pull the rug out from under the recovery, and then when they inevitably get booted out of office in the next election cycle from the resulting mess, they'll turn around and blame the economic shit storm on the democrats. Hmm, that script sounds familiar.

That states already cut spending and we didn't go over the cliff. If we don't get our spending under control and soon, future bumps in the road will be a lot worse. If you don't believe me, listen to Obama tell it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jJvkkNmR_8

 

[nextJin]

This thread sums up everything wrong,

Here let's try this can we all agree that the war on terror, war on drugs, and budget cuts should all be addressed.

(budget cuts on everything with different percentages for each)

 

[Matt1970]

This thread sums up everything wrong,

Here let's try this can we all agree that the war on terror, war on drugs, and budget cuts should all be addressed.

(budget cuts on everything with different percentages for each)

I think the problem is coming up with different percentages.

 

[Mxylplyx]

That states already cut spending and we didn't go over the cliff. If we don't get our spending under control and soon, future bumps in the road will be a lot worse. If you don't believe me, listen to Obama tell it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jJvkkNmR_8

The massive drop in public sector employment has been one of the biggest drags on economic recovery. Also, the federal stimulus spending to prop up municipal governments is just starting to phase out, so he haven't begun to truly see the effects of state cutbacks yet. The validity of your statement all depends on what you mean by "soon". This is not a problem that can be fixed quickly, and it is not a problem that can be addressed at all while Republicans stubbornly refuse to address the revenue side of it. Romney's "plan" for magically eliminating the deficit by closing unspecified "loopholes", all while slashing tax rates by 20% is so laughable it doesn't even warrant intelligent debate.

 

[Moonbeam]

You have shown a real inability to understand the most basic of what I am saying through this entire thread. So you not understanding my question about why I should care what others think of me isnt a surprise. If the litmus test on being intelligent falls upon you. We are further down the road to Idiocracy than I had previously imagined. And that is quite frankly, scary as hell.

Good Grief

You have shown a real inability to understand the most basic of what I am saying through this entire thread,IN MY OPINION. I OFFER NO FACTS TO SUPPORT THIS. So you not understanding my question about why I should care what others think of me isnt a surprise, IN MY OPINION. If the litmus test on being intelligent falls upon you. We are further down the road to Idiocracy than I had previously imagined. And that is quite frankly, scary as hell, AGAIN IN MY COMPETE AND TOTALLY UNSUPPORTED OPINION.

 

[werepossum]

Senators Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Chris Coons (D-DE) co-wrote a compromise jobs bill that took the things on which President Obama, the Senate Republicans, the Senate Democrats, the House Republicans, and the House Democrats all agree, the things with solid bipartisan support. It was called the American Growth, Recovery, Empowerment and Entrepreneurship Act, or the AGREE Act. Representative Richard Hanna (R-NY) sponsored the exact same language as H.R. 3476. It went nowhere, even in the media. This may be because of the acrimonious atmosphere, with neither party willing to work with the other side on anything, or it may be because the things on which the two parties vehemently disagree are the things which are truly important to them. Thus, they have no vested interest in passing the parts of their bills on which the two parties agree.

 

[shortylickens]

This thread sums up everything wrong,

Here let's try this can we all agree that the war on terror, war on drugs, and budget cuts should all be addressed.

(budget cuts on everything with different percentages for each)

Yup, they're too busy politicking to actually do anything.