What brought down WTC7

[LunarRay]

Chain of Custody... omg! 'You can't prove it came from the WTC site'.... Really now...

Let's see how this would play out in a court!

Call Mrs X, please!
Mrs X where did you live on 9/11/2001?
Are you aware of any events that occurred on that day?
What were they?
What did you do as a result of those events?
When did you return to your apartment?
How did you find your apartment?
Confining your answer to the one foot or so of dust that you found all over your apartment did you do anything with that dust?
Anything else?
You saved some of it?, Ok...
Did anyone have access to this dust?
So you gathered some dust and placed it into a container and saved it for a reminder of that day?
Did you show this dust to anyone?
Did you still have this dust that you saved?
Is he the only person who handled this dust?
When did you give it to him?
Thank you Mrs X.
Your witness, counsel.

Call Scientist Y, Please!
Your honor I wish to present Scientist Y as an expert witness. [describes his education and resume, affiliations and etc] Thank you, your honor.
As a result of your interest in 9/11 did you do anything to acquire evidence related to your interest?
From whom? Thank you, and do you have that evidence here in court with you? Ok.. just the balance of what was not consumed in your testing? Your honor I move that the after test remaining dust sample gathered by Mrs X and subsequently transferred to Scientist Y be entered into evidence. Thank you your honor.
Now in your own words please describe to the jury what tests were performed and what results did you achieve...
...
And were these test and the results you have testified to performed using typical scientific methods approved by the scientific community? They were, ok.
Now, Professor Y, did you draw any conclusions as a result of the outcome of the tests performed by you? Ok...
Well, did you submit this for Peer Review?
BTW, did you obtain any other samples?
Ok, from who and when did you get them?
Thank you Professor Y. But you are subject to recall.
Your witness, Counsel.

Your honor I need to amend my witness list to include the people just mentioned by Professor Y and I'll recall Professor Y again to testify about those bits...
Well.. ok.. Counsel opposite offers to stipulate that the other samples the other people provided to Professor Y will yield the same results. I think that will save the court's time so we will agree to the stipulation.

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
what temp does gypsum become sulfur dioxide?

im bright enough to know that extremly high temps were reached during the wtc destruction and that could explain the "evaporated" and "vaporized" steel members (thats pleural).

It's spelled "plural," not pleural. I already told you previously that Astaneh-Asl never used the word "vaporized" either. It was an invention of a journalist but you continue to sling it around. Barnett also states that his used of "evaporated" was early on in the process before any actual tests had been done.

learn something:

Extremely high temperatures during the World Trade Center destruction

http://www.journalof911studies...icles/WTCHighTemp2.pdf

ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH: Here, it most likely reached about 1,000 to 1,500 degrees. And that is enough to collapse them, so they collapsed. So the word "melting" should not be used for girders, because there was no melting of girders. I saw melting of girders in World Trade Center.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb...07/overpass_05-10.html

And? This means what? You post a lot of shit links from twoofer websites without providing the first bit of explanation of what it means and assume everyone should be blown away by your copy & paste skills. Try providing some actual explanations of your own for once that span more than two poorly written and grammatically incorrect sentences.

my explanation is extremely high temps were reached during the wtc destruction. these truther links have valuabe information and independent studies that show high temps were achieved. i havent seen anywhere that dr astaneh denied making the "vaporized" statment. the intel gained from his observation is that 15.9 mm of A36 steel disappeared due to "burning" and then the column buckled and fell. barnett saw "steel members" that were "evaporated". how many and how much steel was "evaporated" or from the new theory "corroded" would be interesting.

and i refer you back again to:
Extremely high temperatures during the World Trade Center destruction
http://www.journalof911studies...icles/WTCHighTemp2.pdf

and what could cause all this high temps. something that reacts hot enough to produce iron microspheres:
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

Abstract:

We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.

Are you fucking serious? We've been through this giant steaming pile of shit before. Don't you remember the 911 truther thread that was started? Don't you remember TLC and I ripping apart this POS article because your samples of "thermite" have no chain of custody?

steaming pile of "vaporized" and "evaporated" pile of wtc 7 steel, im guessing is what you meant. noone ripped me apart. chain of custody? is that all you have. at least you are aware that it is a thermitic material TLC, paint doesnt react at X temp to produce iron microspheres.

Guess what? I found "thermatic material" from the WTC in my buddy's apartment the last time I was in Manhattan. It doesn't matter what analysis they've done to it because we'll never know where it came from.

TLC has addressed both of your points about the words "vaporized" and "evaporated." You've failed to comprehend what he said. Read it again.

dr astaneh never denied saying vaporized. bartlett said he saw steel members "partly evaporated." that means part of the steel is gone! the theory put forth by WPI now is an attack by slag consisting of iron, sulfur, oxygen occured. experimentaly, a slag that consists on iron, oxygen and sulfur corrodes little steel in 24hrs at 1100C. dr astaneh observed 15.9mm of steel that had vaporized (15.9mm of steel gone) only 8 days after the attack. he said that it vaporized (burned) first then buckeled. again, the steel lost 15.9 mm of steel, then the column buckled and the building fell. what do you not get about his forensic obervation of wtc 7 steel.

any rational / logical person would wonder how the hell 15.9 mm of A36 steel just "burned" away according to dr astaneh's observation before the building collapsed.

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: Number1
THE JEW DID IT (at least that's what event8horizon thinks)

Originally posted by: event8horizon


9/11 Planes Flew Directly into
Secure Computer Rooms in Both Towers
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Bollyn-Fuji-WTC.html

The article ( I am being generous here) you quoted was written by Christopher Bollyn

Here is another article by Christopher Bollyn:

Ehud Barak - Architect of 9-11

Quote
"The terror attacks of 9-11 were planned and carried out by Zionist extremists with the intention that the blame would be assigned to Islamic terrorists based in Afghanistan. Israeli military leaders and the Zionist-controlled media were well prepared to interpret the attacks so that public opinion would blame Muslims and Arabs for the atrocity. Changing public opinion is the primary mission of the architects of false-flag terrorism."

That you would quote this nut case to support your theories is telling.

You're just as much a nut case as he is.

Read more of what Christofer Bolyn wrote at

http://www.bollyn.com/index.php

yeah, i guess its time to play the ole anti semite card since you guys have nothing but propaganda and spin.

read this report and then get back with me.
http://www.antiwar.com/rep2/Me...lectCommitteesbold.pdf

"The author of this memorandum [.pdf] is Gerald Shea, a retired corporate lawyer. Shea ? an alumnus of Phillips Academy, Yale (1964), and Columbia Law School ? was associated for many years with one of New York?s most prominent law firms, in New York and Paris, and his memo reads like a lawyer?s brief: it is written with the same meticulous attention to details of time and place, and with a lawyerly regard for maintaining a high standard of evidence."


MEMORANDUM
TO
THE NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON
THE UNITED STATES
THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE
THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE
_________________________________
Israeli Surveillance of the Future
Hijackers and FBI Suspects in the
September 11 Attacks and Their
Failure to Give Us Adequate Warning:
The Need for a Public Inquiry
________________________________

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: event8horizon
_________________________________
Israeli Surveillance of the Future
Hijackers and FBI Suspects in the
September 11 Attacks and Their
Failure to Give Us Adequate Warning:
The Need for a Public Inquiry
________________________________

What about the other conspiracies?

You know, the ones about the hole thing being an inside job?

You got to make up your mind, was it the hijackers or was it the big bad govrnment?.

LOL

You people are so funny.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: event8horizon
dr astaneh never denied saying vaporized.

And this is the kind of stupid argumentation the truthers bring forth.

Congrats on further highlighting that kind of stupid, even though you likely won't recognize how idiotic it is.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
dr astaneh never denied saying vaporized.

And this is the kind of stupid argumentation the truthers bring forth.

Congrats on further highlighting that kind of stupid, even though you likely won't recognize how idiotic it is.

Would you oppose an open Congressional hearing on 9/11? Say in a Select Committee of Congress? Wouldn't cost much extra. And I'd get to watch C-Span all day!

Examine all 3 of the major buildings that collapsed... All the evidence!
Examine Who knew what and When did they know it... and what did they do?
And any other relevant evidence and all Under Oath.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
dr astaneh never denied saying vaporized.

And this is the kind of stupid argumentation the truthers bring forth.

Congrats on further highlighting that kind of stupid, even though you likely won't recognize how idiotic it is.

It would have been far better for the agencies who were charged with presenting conclusions on the 9/11 tragedy to do so in a manner that explained as fact that which could not be questioned and speculate on stuff other than that but to include all the relevant evidence and at least explain why it is not considered. And do so fully and include all the evidence that pointed to that as well as other possible interpretations. For instance, the NIST explosion position in WTC 7... They said they discounted it for absence of sound and broken windows.. but folks said they heard explosions and saw the broken windows... That should have been addressed something like.. what they heard as explosions was the event commencement! A collapsing building sounds like an explosion and windows do break... stuff like that. Ignoring the evidence opens the door. First the other side can point to it and say, "see they said they interviewed all witnesses but they didn't listen to anyone who didn't support their preconceived position." A scientist cooking the results to suit a desired result is the worst thing a scientist can be accused of... so why open that door. How could they watch the collapse videos and not see acceleration. They called it constant falling! One can easily argure they are daft. They did include the 'free fall' finally but kept to the 5.4 second scenario. When one Hypothesis fails you create another and start over. To stick with a crucial element that is part of a failed Hypothesis opens that door... it is nutty!

I could easily argue the heat issue as being the affect of a billow condition... or the Pre burned then vaporized (hehehehe) steel as being the effect of fire in the pit and the load atop of it bending the weakened steel...and that bit of vaporized steel near the open hearth... that is plausable? Why say there is no molten steel when folks see it? I'd say fine that explains this and that...

 

[Nemesis 1]

Watch the video even you can here it . Whats nutty is we have 5 world first in 1 day and so many believe the lie. Thats tutty fruity gum man . Ya got to chew on that awhile. For me about 2 days . I kinda said ok on the towers . when 7 went down I said now wait 1 dam second here . Than the pentagon thing the very small impact area until other walls fell . I said what hit that building a 757 at what speed to disintergrate a plane . The speed they claimed is by physics not possiable at that altitude. A plane that size can not be flown at the speed they claim took to disintergrate a plane that size. Its not possiable .

The plane in the field nope didn't happen . PURE lie . Unless the plane was blown up in the air than maybe but na , I nose dive into ground would not disitergrate a plane . / Both those planes didn'thappen

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Watch the video even you can here it .

On WTC 7?... I hear sound, true. I hear sound from the towers too...
Take a brick and drop it on your floor... it makes sound. Sound travels through steel pretty fast..As vibrations I guess like maybe a sub base speaker has very long wave length... etc. I tried to determine the eyeball of the collapse with the sound heard... seems close enough to me to say that what folks heard was the sound transmitted to the foundation as the collapse began. Might have made big mess on the base floors as well... vibrations do that. It could also serve to 'loosen' lower down connections... possible?

A cop said he heard bam bam bam bam bam... like explosions going off... what would a pancake floor hitting a floor and so on sound like... explosions... cuz that is exactly what it was... explosions... heat energy pulverizing concrete makes noise. What was the source of the heat energy... the floor above meeting the floor below...
It could have been Moonbeam's termites, that is true.. but not a likely event but possible.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I will see if I can find the video I referring to . You listen and watch ground or objects shake at same time . Now the tower the poping . Blow up bag and and compress it fast and hard , POP so those not sure about . The molten metal pooring out of top floors befor collaspe should not have been there.

Let the sheep burn man . I am

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I will see if I can find the video I referring to . You listen and watch ground or objects shake at same time . Now the tower the poping . Blow up bag and and compress it fast and hard , POP so those not sure about . The molten metal pooring out of top floors befor collaspe should not have been there.

Let the sheep burn man . I am

It is possible I've not seen your video reference in the last few weeks... I've been doing nothing but looking at stuff.. heheheheh

I saw that video of the something appearing to be molten something dripping down... Frankly I can tell a few things... and not tell a lot more.

Let me ask you what makes up the Wheel struts and wheels themselves (not tires of course) on an aircraft? I'm not sure but I've heard they are usually a composite metal with magnesium included... or at one time they were... that is on my todo list... or the engine parts? They want to save weight.
What I think I see is a wheel strut stuck in between the exterior tubey columns... just sorta hanging there... and on fire. Don't look aluminum cuz it don't 'melt that color, I don't think unless it is a composite and then it could, I guess.

IF you have stuff like magnesium there you are going to have heat upward of 1500 to 1600c That stuff burns hot.. I've been involved with a flare locker going off on board a ship and it dam near burned to the keel... on a carrier. Steel is no match for magnesium on fire.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Still looking but watch this one .

Remember the Fema guy saying that He got into TOWN on mondaynight and sprang into action tuesday morning . So whats fema doing there on 9/10 Why weren't those planes intercepted when they went off flight path . What excuse was given for standing down .

So according to the sheep this is how it went . Those building came down in a proper manner for airplane hitting. Those planes at pentagon and field disintergrating on impact with small foot print is normal

Fema guy misspeaks 2 times say s arrived monday sprang into action on tuesday . Thats some misspeak

Clown in this video who made more than 7 billion off the incident says he pulled the building . He to misspeaks .

The military stands down on planes off their flight path . What is that 9 reasons to say what the hells going on here and the sheepos by into it . Misspeak 3 times military stand down 2 planes dis intergrate and 3 steel building fall into own foot print a world first 3 in 1 day .

Ya I believe the government to . NOT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9b4D-aO3zY

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I will see if I can find the video I referring to . You listen and watch ground or objects shake at same time . Now the tower the poping . Blow up bag and and compress it fast and hard , POP so those not sure about . The molten metal pooring out of top floors befor collaspe should not have been there.

Let the sheep burn man . I am

It is possible I've not seen your video reference in the last few weeks... I've been doing nothing but looking at stuff.. heheheheh

I saw that video of the something appearing to be molten something dripping down... Frankly I can tell a few things... and not tell a lot more.

Let me ask you what makes up the Wheel struts and wheels themselves (not tires of course) on an aircraft? I'm not sure but I've heard they are usually a composite metal with magnesium included... or at one time they were... that is on my todo list... or the engine parts? They want to save weight.
What I think I see is a wheel strut stuck in between the exterior tubey columns... just sorta hanging there... and on fire. Don't look aluminum cuz it don't 'melt that color, I don't think unless it is a composite and then it could, I guess.

IF you have stuff like magnesium there you are going to have heat upward of 1500 to 1600c That stuff burns hot.. I've been involved with a flare locker going off on board a ship and it dam near burned to the keel... on a carrier. Steel is no match for magnesium on fire.

magnesium very dangerious it burns but not molten RED same with aluinium doesn't burn but molten is not red That was steel I have worked it most mylife . from 9 years old up . No that was steel . Video is all I needed to see to know that . Watch a steel poor in a steel mill video . Its unmistakable .

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


magnesium very dangerious it burns but not molten RED same with aluinium doesn't burn but molten is not red That was steel I have worked it most mylife . from 9 years old up . No that was steel . Video is all I needed to see to know that . Watch a steel poor in a steel mill video . Its unmistakable .

Well, perhaps that is the case but since there is magnesium in the aircraft at that time.. less so now, as I understand it; do you think a magnesium on fire could melt a steel beam or two and that is what we are seeing...
I'll defer to you as expert.. but IF it is steel melting something is melting is aside from office furniture and JP4 or what ever... I suggest magnesium cuz it just seems to me the steel molten would cool down without a source of heat..
Wheel meets beam wheel is set ablaze fusing to beam... ergo, molten beam?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Ya I believe the government to . NOT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9b4D-aO3zY

The only person or entity I'm entirely sure of is me... I trust many.... but if material to me I verify too... I was born ... but not yesterday.. 1945 I think it was.. I was young at the time so may have it wrong.


I'll look see the video... thanks!

 

[Nemesis 1]

I haven't thought about this stuff for awhile . I gave up on it . Until this thread again . I forgot why I even came back to it . I just remebered a question I been meaning to ask . I always get side tracked . As A recall one of the towers had tons of Gold in basement as the news reported it at time of the building being pulled. Was THAT GOLD ever recovered or was it already moved befor it was pulled . Find that ans. and ya have the ans .

 

[LunarRay]

OK, I watched the video but skipped the parts I've seen before.

Some comment I'd make.

Silverstein would be far more apt to down the Towers than building 7... towers had asbestos fire proofing a 2+ billion expense that he faced, I think.

"Pull it"... think about this.... At the time that was uttered was there time enough for him to insert demo folks to start the process? Consider the fires raging at that point on the very floors alleged to have been the key floors and locale to "pull it''. I think not! Silverstein gets a pass from me on that scenario. Do you think if the demo guys had already planted the devices anyone would have been inside that building like Silverstein was when he uttered the comment? He'd be really dumb to be inside a burning building laden with Thermite or termites.... not a likely scenario.

I can assure me that most every aspect of the tower collapses can be logically and openly connected.. pools of molten what ever included... and the Professor's little bally thingi too... I know there was the means to what ever it was called.. vaporize steel... at the point the steel met magnesium...

Few things still out there are the unexpended Thermite.. I can't account for that yet.. Explosions and all the eyeball stuff I can account for... not prove mind you but I've an explanation that suits me.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


magnesium very dangerious it burns but not molten RED same with aluinium doesn't burn but molten is not red That was steel I have worked it most mylife . from 9 years old up . No that was steel . Video is all I needed to see to know that . Watch a steel poor in a steel mill video . Its unmistakable .

Well, perhaps that is the case but since there is magnesium in the aircraft at that time.. less so now, as I understand it; do you think a magnesium on fire could melt a steel beam or two and that is what we are seeing...
I'll defer to you as expert.. but IF it is steel melting something is melting is aside from office furniture and JP4 or what ever... I suggest magnesium cuz it just seems to me the steel molten would cool down without a source of heat..
Wheel meets beam wheel is set ablaze fusing to beam... ergo, molten beam?

It burns hot but no not nearly hot enough to melt I beam or any beam . I beam is very strong extremely strong . Do some research on Ibeam what peole been saying here can't happen. That second plane watch a video of it that real good viewing . Just befor that plane makes contact Watch the nose . There is explosion befor contact . Shadows don't lie. Also ya find a video that good lokat belly of that passenger jet . LOL . That not a passenger plane.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I haven't thought about this stuff for awhile . I gave up on it . Until this thread again . I forgot why I even came back to it . I just remebered a question I been meaning to ask . I always get side tracked . As A recall one of the towers had tons of Gold in basement as the news reported it at time of the building being pulled. Was THAT GOLD ever recovered or was it already moved befor it was pulled . Find that ans. and ya have the ans .

Yes there was said to be gold. Where I don't recall now. But, if there was and if it was moved that would be suspicious. Just like the Put options on AA and United... but there were other issue pending there too.

Govt Employees are not the smartest folks but I can't imagine them being on the site of 9/11 to be there in time to gather facts.. It was a pre planned event. Being on site or nearby actually clears them because it is the most dumb thing to do... ok suspect them for doing the dumb to avoid suspicion.. hehehehhe

 

[Nemesis 1]

Jet fuel doesnt burn hot enough to cause those beams to get red hot . Not only that only one large piece came out the other side of building . Might of been an engine , I believe it was someting else That object did come from the core side of the plane which you would exspect , I don't no what it was, Thats not what I am getting at , The other engine the one that couldn't get to the core . Never came out . NOW that that as strange as this whole day was. Were that second engine go . Thats the one we should have seen didn't happen . It that speed that titanium engine would have come threw that building clean . Physics .

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


magnesium very dangerious it burns but not molten RED same with aluinium doesn't burn but molten is not red That was steel I have worked it most mylife . from 9 years old up . No that was steel . Video is all I needed to see to know that . Watch a steel poor in a steel mill video . Its unmistakable .

Well, perhaps that is the case but since there is magnesium in the aircraft at that time.. less so now, as I understand it; do you think a magnesium on fire could melt a steel beam or two and that is what we are seeing...
I'll defer to you as expert.. but IF it is steel melting something is melting is aside from office furniture and JP4 or what ever... I suggest magnesium cuz it just seems to me the steel molten would cool down without a source of heat..
Wheel meets beam wheel is set ablaze fusing to beam... ergo, molten beam?

It burns hot but no not nearly hot enough to melt I beam or any beam . I beam is very strong extremely strong . Do some research on Ibeam what peole been saying here can't happen. That second plane watch a video of it that real good viewing . Just befor that plane makes contact Watch the nose . There is explosion befor contact . Shadows don't lie. Also ya find a video that good lokat belly of that passenger jet . LOL . That not a passenger plane.

We, or the company actually, work with steel of all grades. Do you have any idea the steel used on an Aircraft Carrier hanger bay and the blast proof ammo compartments and the torpedo plating on the sides below the water line?... that is sturdy stuff and magnesium flares burned right on through that... almost sunk the ship on Yankee Station while I was visiting it... Task Force 77 figured it was a good day to visit... me too until that event.

From memory of that day... I was told the fire from the flares was somewhere near 1800c or more... far hotter than to melt steel... I saw it do that to high grade steel...

 

[Nemesis 1]

true enough . but apples to apples please. Those flares are more than mag burning . I do a refresh and check mag temps .

 

[Nemesis 1]

Flame temperatures of magnesium and magnesium alloys can reach 1371 °C (2500 °F), although flame height above the burning metal is usually less than 300 mm ...
Ya it does get hot enough . But as you can see it wouldn't do the job . To restricted . I would also point out the 757 that hit pent . had a wheel that didn't burn pictured and how its been officially reported how hot that fire was yet that wheel didn't Burn . Also for such a reportedly hot fire . Remember that stackd of paper in the exposed area inthe small hole befor it collasped . That stack of paper on desk on my left side second floor didn't burn clear pic of that there were. NA this thing stinks .

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I haven't thought about this stuff for awhile . I gave up on it . Until this thread again . I forgot why I even came back to it . I just remebered a question I been meaning to ask . I always get side tracked . As A recall one of the towers had tons of Gold in basement as the news reported it at time of the building being pulled. Was THAT GOLD ever recovered or was it already moved befor it was pulled . Find that ans. and ya have the ans .

Yes there was said to be gold. Where I don't recall now. But, if there was and if it was moved that would be suspicious. Just like the Put options on AA and United... but there were other issue pending there too.

Govt Employees are not the smartest folks but I can't imagine them being on the site of 9/11 to be there in time to gather facts.. It was a pre planned event. Being on site or nearby actually clears them because it is the most dumb thing to do... ok suspect them for doing the dumb to avoid suspicion.. hehehehhe

This thing was such a cluster F that your last statement here is the only thing that makes sinse to myself . I thought of that along time ago I got smome mab wheels here . Tomorrow I have son light it up . I will see how close it has to be to do as your sugjesting .

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Flame temperatures of magnesium and magnesium alloys can reach 1371 °C (2500 °F), although flame height above the burning metal is usually less than 300 mm ...
Ya it does get hot enough . But as you can see it wouldn't do the job . To restricted . I would also point out the 757 that hit pent . had a wheel that didn't burn pictured and how its been officially reported how hot that fire was yet that wheel didn't Burn . Also for such a reportedly hot fire . Remember that stackd of paper in the exposed area inthe small hole befor it collasped . That stack of paper on desk on my left side second floor didn't burn clear pic of that there were. NA this thing stinks .

This site lists 2000c 3600f... I've seen others just now that range from 1800c to 2100c so I don't know.. but know it almost sunk Oriskany in 1966.. Oct 26th as I recall..Ask a scientist !

''Magnesium burns at 3600 F (2000 C) and at close distance is brighter than the Sun!''