What brought down WTC7

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Equinox

Originally posted by: Vic
Is it too late, technologically, to bemoan the waste of bandwidth?

Not yet, and not even days late.

While playing a game called World of Warcraft, I often wondered why folks got all up in arms when folks used caps while typing comments in the chat feature... It took awhile to understand that they got incredibly mad cuz it meant the caps user was yelling... Yelling in print!... I could never hear the difference... or why it mattered.
Here again I'm confronted by the same or similar kind of thinking. What does it matter? Would some thread on Religion with the same back and forth be all that different? With all the comments and posts in this thread don't you think there is interest in one hypothesis and interest in countering that? I actually think folks enjoy posting their comments one way or another while poking their opposite with sticks of logic and noodles... heheheheheh

 

[Venix]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
It's right there in the video, as the top would have busted apart of at the same rate as the bottom had they been equally strong.

That's the entire point of contention, you imbecile. This demolition precisely models the crush-down/crush-up mechanism for collapse, and your only retort is, "Well that can't be possible, so they must have weakened the lower floors?" Pathetic.

Either provide actual proof--video, photographs, witness statements, anything--or admit that you're full of shit.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Cogman
The Backhoes are neither pulling during the descent, nor are they significantly adding any vertical work before the decent. The vertical work done by the backhoes is completely negligible.

Nor did I claim otherwise.

:disgust:

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Cogman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ature=player_embedded#

That video does a good job of exemplifying the point of the OP; a force beyond that of gravity is needed to achieve a period of near free fall acceleration, the force being provided by the backhoes in that case.

Gee, are you really that retarded?

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Cogman
Now, for the explosive cutting charges. Tell me genius, why did nobody hear, see, or witness said charges going off? How do you explode something without making a sound? There certainly would have been some evidence audio-visual evidence of a charge going off.

There was plenty of evidence and witnesses to the explosions... but those were ignored. See here:

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Also see here:
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Umm, the first is a site from a clearly truther bias website, with, surprise, no audio/video recordings of the explosions. The second is a video of the buildings collapsing, sorry, plumbs of debris are going to go everywhere when a building collapses.

How come there isn't any recording of the explosions happening? According to your first link, there were 3 explosions total, two happening minutes before the collapse. BOTH should have been caught on camera, but neither was. (and yes, they should be on camera because people filmed the entire collapse of the building.)

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Equinox

Originally posted by: Vic
Is it too late, technologically, to bemoan the waste of bandwidth?

Not yet, and not even days late.

...

What does it matter?

That depends on one's perspective.

That said, I do find all caps unpleasant on the eyes, much as vocal shouting is unpleasant on the ears.

Originally posted by: Venix

Originally posted by: kylebisme
It's right there in the video, as the top would have busted apart of at the same rate as the bottom had they been equally strong.

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Either provide actual proof...

The proof is in the laws of physics, but as I've noted before in this thread, I can't rightly expect anyone to come to terms with the physical impossibility of the offical story of how the towers came down when they can't even come to terms with as much in regard to WTC7.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Cogman
The Backhoes are neither pulling during the descent, nor are they significantly adding any vertical work before the decent. The vertical work done by the backhoes is completely negligible.

Nor did I claim otherwise.

:disgust:

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Cogman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ature=player_embedded#

That video does a good job of exemplifying the point of the OP; a force beyond that of gravity is needed to achieve a period of near free fall acceleration, the force being provided by the backhoes in that case.

Gee, are you really that retarded?

I'm not being retared here, and neither is LunarRay, which is why he understood what I was referring to:

Originally posted by: LunarRay
They removed the vertical support...

Any chance you could muster the intellect to do the same?

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Cogman
The Backhoes are neither pulling during the descent, nor are they significantly adding any vertical work before the decent. The vertical work done by the backhoes is completely negligible.

Nor did I claim otherwise.

:disgust:

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Cogman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ature=player_embedded#

That video does a good job of exemplifying the point of the OP; a force beyond that of gravity is needed to achieve a period of near free fall acceleration, the force being provided by the backhoes in that case.

Gee, are you really that retarded?

I'm not being retared here, and neither is LunarRay, which is why he understood what I was referring to:

Originally posted by: LunarRay
They removed the vertical support...

Any chance you could muster the intellect to do the same?

LOL, How am I supposed to know that you really mean that the backhoes didn't provide any force to the falling of the building when you SAID that the backhoes provided the additional force needed for the falling building?

If anything the video is a clear example of why you are full of crap. A building, that when upper column support is removed, is able to completely collapse, at free fall speed none the less. Isn't that what you said was completely impossible?

Can't you just admit to being wrong? Just once? The contradiction is so clear here that I just can't fathom that someone could be so blind as to not be able to see it.

 

[Venix]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
The proof is in the laws of physics, but as I've noted before in this thread, I can't rightly expect anyone to come to terms with the physical impossibility of the offical story of how the towers came down when they can't even come to terms with as much in regard to WTC7.

You don't even understand integrals, Ohm's Law or inertia. You seriously expect anyone to believe that you know more about physics than Zdenek Ba?ant and the 99%+ of engineers and scientists who support his research?

In any case, I had a French-speaking friend e-mail BCT Demolition and inquire about how they prepared that building for demolition. I wonder what lame cop-out you'll come up with when they confirm that the building's lower floors weren't weakened.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: Venix

Originally posted by: kylebisme
The proof is in the laws of physics, but as I've noted before in this thread, I can't rightly expect anyone to come to terms with the physical impossibility of the offical story of how the towers came down when they can't even come to terms with as much in regard to WTC7.

You don't even understand integrals, Ohm's Law or inertia. You seriously expect anyone to believe that you know more about physics than Zdenek Ba?ant and the 99%+ of engineers and scientists who support his research?

In any case, I had a French-speaking friend e-mail BCT Demolition and inquire about how they prepared that building for demolition. I wonder what lame cop-out you'll come up with when they confirm that the building's lower floors weren't weakened.

I almost wonder if he and Björkman are the same person. Both completely convinced that their utterly insane ideas are correct. Both talk about their expert knowledge of physics and math, and both have been proven to have absolutely no clue about what they are talking about when it comes right down to it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: Venix

Originally posted by: kylebisme
The proof is in the laws of physics, but as I've noted before in this thread, I can't rightly expect anyone to come to terms with the physical impossibility of the offical story of how the towers came down when they can't even come to terms with as much in regard to WTC7.

You don't even understand integrals, Ohm's Law or inertia. You seriously expect anyone to believe that you know more about physics than Zdenek Ba?ant and the 99%+ of engineers and scientists who support his research?

In any case, I had a French-speaking friend e-mail BCT Demolition and inquire about how they prepared that building for demolition. I wonder what lame cop-out you'll come up with when they confirm that the building's lower floors weren't weakened.

I almost wonder if he and Björkman are the same person. Both completely convinced that their utterly insane ideas are correct. Both talk about their expert knowledge of physics and math, and both have been proven to have absolutely no clue about what they are talking about when it comes right down to it.

lets be honest one thing you can say about Kylebisme, at least he claims to have a 6th graders understanding of physics.........

 

[LunarRay]

Ok... give it back.... come on now... return the central core! Which one of you made off with the central core of not only one but both towers? If you don't bring back the central core section I'm a tellin!! I can't go any further with my little analysis until I can find the core. Ok.. I'll use your term... straws... where are the straws... we know you can't crush straws going down right into the footprint...
Someone help... I need to find out how they got smushed or I won't sleep.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Cogman
LOL, How am I supposed to know that you really mean that the backhoes didn't provide any force to the falling of the building when you SAID that the backhoes provided the additional force needed for the falling building?

More specifically, I said "a force beyond that of gravity is needed to achieve a period of near free fall acceleration", You would have known what I was referring to there if you could bring yourself to come to terms with the fact that "What brought down WTC7 was a near instantaneous removal of approximately 8 stories of structural support", as I noted in the opening line of the OP.

Originally posted by: Cogman
A building, that when upper column support is removed, is able to completely collapse, at free fall speed none the less.

The free fall happens though the section of the building which the support was removed from by a force outside of gravity, and then when the falling block comes into contact with the rest of the structure the acceleration slows. That's just how Newton's laws of motion go.

Originally posted by: Cogman
Isn't that what you said was completely impossible?

I said it is impossible without some outside force to dislocate the section of the structure though which the free fall occurs.

Originally posted by: Cogman
Can't you just admit to being wrong? Just once?

I've got no issues with admiting I'm wrong when I am, but that simply isn't the case here.

Originally posted by: Cogman
The contradiction is so clear here that I just can't fathom that someone could be so blind as to not be able to see it.

Irony.

Originally posted by: Venix
You don't even understand integrals, Ohm's Law or inertia.

I've got a solid understanding of all three, but of course I also understand how it would seem otherwise to falsers.

Originally posted by: Venix
You seriously expect anyone to believe that you know more about physics than Zdenek Ba?ant and the 99%+ of engineers and scientists who support his research?

I'm in no position to claim why Bazant presents the fallacious arguments he does, and I've yet to see any confirmation of how many engineers and scientists even looked into his arguments let alone support them.

Originally posted by: Venix
In any case, I had a French-speaking friend e-mail BCT Demolition and inquire about how they prepared that building for demolition. I wonder what lame cop-out you'll come up with when they confirm that the building's lower floors weren't weakened.

I've got no reason to cop out of anything, but I note you obviously have at least one for coping out of your inability to address the physics of the fall of WTC7.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
lets be honest one thing you can say about Kylebisme, at least he claims to have a 6th graders understanding of physics.........

Rather, I pointed out the fact that those arguing against me here lack the understanding of physics I first became familiar with in the 5th grade, and both reviewed and expanded on throughout my education since then. But then you can't even keep the grade I mentioned straight, so I can't rightly expect you to come to terms with the physics.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
lets be honest one thing you can say about Kylebisme, at least he claims to have a 6th graders understanding of physics.........

Rather, I pointed out the fact that those arguing against me here lack the understanding of physics I first became familiar with in the 5th grade, and both reviewed and expanded on throughout my education since then. But then you can't even keep the grade I mentioned straight, so I can't rightly expect you to come to terms with the physics.

well so far all your answers to other peoples questions amount to you iether dodging the issue or you turning things into a he said she said type thing......
But thats OK...I tried to defend your lack of any true understanding of physics as it applies to the subject matter!!

 

[First]

Amazing this pussy still can't post the math. But predictable.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Cogman
Umm, the first is a site from a clearly truther bias website, with, surprise, no audio/video recordings of the explosions. The second is a video of the buildings collapsing, sorry, plumbs of debris are going to go everywhere when a building collapses.

How come there isn't any recording of the explosions happening? According to your first link, there were 3 explosions total, two happening minutes before the collapse. BOTH should have been caught on camera, but neither was. (and yes, they should be on camera because people filmed the entire collapse of the building.)

Then google "9/11 explosions," how hard can that be? Here's a video I found within a few seconds. There are others available if you bothered searching.

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See, when you automatically dismiss a hypothesis because you don't like what it's suggesting, you don't even bother looking further to see if there is evidence supporting it. Classical approach to the way the "experts" handled the investigation.

In the second video I linked, you are plainly ignoring the fact the "plumbs of debris" are being ejected out at concentrated points, well below the wave of collapse. That kinda contradicts the whole pancake theory.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Cogman
Umm, the first is a site from a clearly truther bias website, with, surprise, no audio/video recordings of the explosions. The second is a video of the buildings collapsing, sorry, plumbs of debris are going to go everywhere when a building collapses.

How come there isn't any recording of the explosions happening? According to your first link, there were 3 explosions total, two happening minutes before the collapse. BOTH should have been caught on camera, but neither was. (and yes, they should be on camera because people filmed the entire collapse of the building.)

Then google "9/11 explosions," how hard can that be? Here's a video I found within a few seconds. There are others available if you bothered searching.

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See, when you automatically dismiss a hypothesis because you don't like what it's suggesting, you don't even bother looking further to see if there is evidence supporting it. Classical approach to the way the "experts" handled the investigation.

In the second video I linked, you are plainly ignoring the fact the "plumbs of debris" are being ejected out at concentrated points, well below the wave of collapse. That kinda contradicts the whole pancake theory.

Already done, and the pages that come up are all Truthers pages with no video or audio. Do you expect me to go wading through the muck just to try and prove YOUR point?

I haven't had a chance to listen/watch your link as the website is blocked here. Ill get back to you on that.

*edit* watched the video. How do you know that wasn't the sound of the building collapsing? You can't see anything, you only hear stuff. My guess (from all the smoke) is it is the sound of the building collapsing.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Cogman
Already done, and the pages that come up are all Truthers pages with no video or audio.

When you do a Google search, at the top of the page is a list of search options which reads:

Web Images Videos Maps News Shopping Gmail more ?

and if you click on the one that says "Videos", well...

By the way, here is the video all you falsers have been waiting for.



On a more serious note, here is a video of a woman with 25 years of media experience explaining why we won't see anything of the sort, she starts talking about 15 minutes in. Also, she recommends this book on the same subject, which is now on my reading list.

 

[Munky]

Operation Northwoods - yet another historical example of a secret govt conspiracy. Make sure all you experts google it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Cogman
Already done, and the pages that come up are all Truthers pages with no video or audio.

When you do a Google search, at the top of the page is a list of search options which reads:

Web Images Videos Maps News Shopping Gmail more ?

and if you click on the one that says "Videos", well...

By the way, here is the video all you falsers have been waiting for.



On a more serious note, here is a video of a woman with 25 years of media experience explaining why we won't see anything of the sort, she starts talking about 15 minutes in. Also, she recommends this book on the same subject, which is now on my reading list.

you can read????

 

[LegendKiller]

What's funny is that people like above will listen to YouTube videos of like-minded people, yet will not, or do not, know anybody first-hand that was there. Since I work in NYC, I know many people who were actually IN the towers, before they were hit, as they were being hit, and afterwards. I work with these people, know their families, and yet not a single one says anything about charges or controlled demolition.

There's a friend of mine who worked at Lehman Brothers who was visiting somebody at Cantor that day. Her meeting was very early and ended before the scheduled time. As she left the lobby the first plane hit. She stayed in the area to call her friends and beg them to come down. She ran when the first tower collapsed (was only a bloc away). She thinks truthers are insane.

There's the one guy I know in the 2nd tower, one of the only survivors of an entire bank, who was in the stairwell when the plane hit. The stairwell wobbled like a rope ladder as he stared down it. He was on the 60th floor or so and barely made it out. He thinks truthers are insane.

Another coworker of mine has a husband who is a port authority detective. He was a first responder. 3 of his friends went with him, none came back. 2 caught inside the tower, one in the lobby.. He is utterly disgusted by people like above.

This is not a fucking game, It is not something open to interpretation or to bandy about theories. It is not fodder for your insane imaginations. Real people died and real people think you're nuts. You are, now let it go.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: munky
Operation Northwoods - yet another historical example of a secret govt conspiracy. Make sure all you experts google it.

Uh huh. Another example of a secret government conspiracy that was never acted upon, a fact that makes truthers look stupid every bazillionth time they bring it up.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
What's funny is that people like above will listen to YouTube videos of like-minded people, yet will not, or do not, know anybody first-hand that was there. Since I work in NYC, I know many people who were actually IN the towers, before they were hit, as they were being hit, and afterwards. I work with these people, know their families, and yet not a single one says anything about charges or controlled demolition.

There's a friend of mine who worked at Lehman Brothers who was visiting somebody at Cantor that day. Her meeting was very early and ended before the scheduled time. As she left the lobby the first plane hit. She stayed in the area to call her friends and beg them to come down. She ran when the first tower collapsed (was only a bloc away). She thinks truthers are insane.

There's the one guy I know in the 2nd tower, one of the only survivors of an entire bank, who was in the stairwell when the plane hit. The stairwell wobbled like a rope ladder as he stared down it. He was on the 60th floor or so and barely made it out. He thinks truthers are insane.

Another coworker of mine has a husband who is a port authority detective. He was a first responder. 3 of his friends went with him, none came back. 2 caught inside the tower, one in the lobby.. He is utterly disgusted by people like above.

This is not a fucking game, It is not something open to interpretation or to bandy about theories. It is not fodder for your insane imaginations. Real people died and real people think you're nuts. You are, now let it go.

THANK YOU!

I'm really sorry that your friends had to go through what they did. I'm also sorry that you are now essentially going to be called a liar. But thank you for bringing this up.

Originally posted by: munky
Operation Northwoods - yet another historical example of a secret govt conspiracy. Make sure all you experts google it.

Some "secret" government conspiracy. Oh wait, we all know about it!

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Exactly, much like "What brought down WTC7 was a near instantaneous removal of approximately 8 stories of structural support", as I noted in the opening line of the OP.

You have not proven this theory nor has anybody in the twuther movement.
It cannot be proven because it did not happen the way you claim it did.

All your proofs can be explained away by the official report.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Equinox

Originally posted by: Vic
Is it too late, technologically, to bemoan the waste of bandwidth?

Not yet, and not even days late.

While playing a game called World of Warcraft, I often wondered why folks got all up in arms when folks used caps while typing comments in the chat feature... It took awhile to understand that they got incredibly mad cuz it meant the caps user was yelling... Yelling in print!... I could never hear the difference... or why it mattered.
Here again I'm confronted by the same or similar kind of thinking. What does it matter? Would some thread on Religion with the same back and forth be all that different? With all the comments and posts in this thread don't you think there is interest in one hypothesis and interest in countering that? I actually think folks enjoy posting their comments one way or another while poking their opposite with sticks of logic and noodles... heheheheheh

It maters to me because one side is accusing their compatriot of mass murder.

 

[jonks]

Funny how the MIBs could pull off this major coup of a conspiracy but didn't feel it worth their time to assassinate all these web geniuses who figured out their dastardly plans and explained it to the world. Brave folks, facing off against this all powerful conglomerate of cold blooded killers and manipulators. Godspeed.