What brings people to terrorism?

bradly1101

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I kind of see it as similar to gang problems here in the U.S., Cental and South America and Asia. Disaffected and desperate young people with no job or anything else to do are easy targets for recruitment into their ranks. Both organizations use violence to intimidate, initiate and enrich themselves.

The one thing that differs between the two is that groups like ISIL use religious intolerance as a recruitment tool.

They see a holy war against the U.S. (and our allies that have joined the fight), and it's our differences that fuel the flames. We want a democratic, modern and tolerant Middle East. And our way of life is looked down upon because of perceived open mindedness toward skimpy outfits for women, gays, alcohol, idolatry,...

To them we sin in so many ways we are called infidels. And yet we try to obtain influence in their homelands and ally ourselves with some pretty bad people who are their leaders. This is why I believe that if we have a presence there they will have a mechanism for enlistment into the fight. We say, "We will not stop until this threat is destroyed." And it's a metastasizing threat the more we get involved. Are we trying to kill them all? Is that possible? Is a war winnable when you're fighting a movement?

Back to the gang analogy; what I see a lot in poor neighborhoods globally are huge masses of children of all ages. To me it never made sense to have children when one cannot afford them. It's wrong in so many ways to raise a child without access to proper nutrition and education. And yet many do.

When a child grows up without all that support they look for it in other ways. Being paid to take up arms becomes more attractive and fighting the infidels brings purpose, not unlike gangs taking care of their own and fighting 'the man.'

To me the solutions lie in the areas of policy, interventionism (or lack thereof) and understanding, which since humans are holding the ball I guess there's no workable solution.

It's the same young, jobless, desperate men (mostly) who join gangs and terrorist groups. Therefore I believe that if the world's wealth was shared more {gasp} both problems would be diminished.

Can't we can figure this out without the collateral damage of our bombing campaigns and all the recruits they garner?

Edit: Also if moderate Muslims are seen fighting the extremists rather than Christians, moderation could gain a bigger foothold.
 
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The Green Bean

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It's quite simple: poverty, unemployment and lack of education. All you need then is a group or individual who offers a reward here and promises one later.
 

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Lack of opportunity + the basic human need to think of oneself as "good." If you are a poor, unemployed person not getting much respect in society, with bleak prospects, you may decide "hey I didn't deserve, this, I am a GOOD person. So obviously I am not to blame. Therefore I will find something else to blame." Some turn to drug dealing or theft or whatever and rationalize it. Others feel like they need to justify it by some other means, such as religion.

Something that witnesses in Mosul and elsewhere have said is that the people who joined Daesh were the town criminals who weren't exactly religiously observant but who were violent thugs in the first place.

That said, some people actually come from decent or even privileged backgrounds and STILL resort to joining groups like AQ. Maybe they got sick of witnessing corruption, or got too deep in reading safali/Wahhabi texts, or whatever. There is a lot of high-horsemanship with those people where they try to justify their actions with holier than thou proclamations.
 
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Depends on the "who".

Are you talking about the upper echelon sociopaths who aren't doing the murdering, but are instead reaping the power to rule and judge? Or the murderers, who are sociopaths on the low end of the hierarchy? Or the religious extremists who think they'll get sparkle ponies or whatever they believe in heaven? Or the supporters who give money and legitimacy because they hate the west? Or the people who have caused the suffering that create an environment where terrorism can flourish to begin with?
 
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Terrorism comes from the conviction that the ends justifies the means to right a real or imagined wrong. After that any killer willing to play along can if they profess the tenets, truthfully or not.
 

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Lack of opportunity + the basic human need to think of oneself as "good." If you are a poor, unemployed person not getting much respect in society, with bleak prospects, you may decide "hey I didn't deserve, this, I am a GOOD person. So obviously I am not to blame. Therefore I will find something else to blame." Some turn to drug dealing or theft or whatever and rationalize it. Others feel like they need to justify it by some other means, such as religion.

The human mind seems capable of lying to itself in the darkest ways. Poverty isn't the only driver, but I think it's the main one.

Something that witnesses in Mosul and elsewhere have said is that the people who joined Daesh were the town criminals who weren't exactly religiously observant but who were violent thugs in the first place.

This seems to be true in eastern Ukraine too.

That said, some people actually come from decent or even privileged backgrounds and STILL resort to joining groups like AQ. Maybe they got sick of witnessing corruption, or got too deep in reading safali/Wahhabi texts, or whatever. There is a lot of high-horsemanship with those people where they try to justify their actions with holier than thou proclamations.

"Holier than thou." Those are arrogant, egotistical thoughts. One would hope that everyone can realize that there are as many ways of morality as there are people. How could anyone be holier than thou? It appears we (if not everybody) are guilty of that sometimes too.
 

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Depends on the "who".

Are you talking about the upper echelon sociopaths who aren't doing the murdering, but are instead reaping the power to rule and judge? Or the murderers, who are sociopaths on the low end of the hierarchy? Or the religious extremists who think they'll get sparkle ponies or whatever they believe in heaven? Or the supporters who give money and legitimacy because they hate the west? Or the people who have caused the suffering that create an environment where terrorism can flourish to begin with?

I mean them all. I guess the common denominator is religion.
 

Omar F1

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Excellent write on a very important subject, thank you.

I agree with most of what being that Daesh consists of following different kinds: mercenaries/hired guns as majority, people who felt badly oppressed and they're out for revenge, and obviously a group of true religious people who think they're following some Islamic rules, yet much more rules gets ignored in the process, I consider them brainwashed and mainly blame their society/teachers for that they became, especially that to brainwash some one is a long process which could take years.
 

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Worthlessness.

Terrorism is harming/murdering people because those people aren't doing exactly what you think they should be doing. Instead of trying to influence them and making their lives better, by showing them what you have in mind is great, you flat out murder them. And, of course you aren't looking to win the dead person over, but use their death to scare others to follow and do what you say.

And, lets be honest, extremism just isn't desirable. You can't sell oppression (in the case of radical Islam, racial supremacy) and you can't sell lawlessness (in the case of radical anti-government).

The radicals know this. They know people can't follow such a lifestyle, so they use threats, fear and murder.

They are worthless for:
1) taking up a cause that is just not feasible/desirable
2) feeling as if they have no choice
3) spreading / inflicting that sentiment to anyone else

Terrorists aren't human beings. They are zombies that represent a poisonous ideal and spread said poison by violent means and actions.
 

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Terrorism is caused by socially and culturally acquired violence. Violence is caused by experiencing violence and being told it's what you deserve. The need then not to feel worthless, oneself, will justify anything. It is, as dank said, a manifestation of self hate.
 

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It's quite simple: poverty, unemployment and lack of education. All you need then is a group or individual who offers a reward here and promises one later.

Include living in countries where lack of human rights, corruption and war has been the general rule for decades if not centuries.

If you have no hope in the world you live, why not fight for something that gives you hope for a better afterlife.
 

Omar F1

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Include living in countries where lack of human rights, corruption and war has been the general rule for decades if not centuries.

If you have no hope in the world you live, why not fight for something that gives you hope for a better afterlife.
The problem is that both sides of the conflict do say the same exact thing about each other, both the US and ME.


About the relation of terrorism & Iraq, I'd like to cite the following from a book which I just finished reading about Iraq war, it was written in 2005.

In January 2005, the CIA's internal think tank, the National Intelligence Council, concluded that Iraq had replaced Afghanistan as the training ground for a new generation of jihadist terrorists. The country had become "a magnet for international terrorist activity", said the council's chairman, Robert Hutchings.
The costs [of Iraq war] go well beyond that initial bill of blood and treasure; Iraq is likely to dominate American foreign policy for years. As the "National Strategy for Victory in Iraq", the document released by the White House in November 2005, put it, "What happens in Iraq will influence the fate of the Middle East for generations to come, with a profound impact on our own national security".
Indeed it did.
 

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The problem is that both sides of the conflict do say the same exact thing about each other, both the US and ME.


About the relation of terrorism & Iraq, I'd like to cite the following from a book which I just finished reading about Iraq war, it was written in 2005.



Indeed it did.

People sometimes forget that terrorism has been a great part of European history (Anarchists WW1, left/right wing terror groups, independence movements/terrorism), and the colonialism has definitely not helped on the amount of conflicts we see today.