what bills have congress passed

[sonoma1993]

What were some of the bills congress has passed when the Republicans control congress for the first 5 months? When both Republicans control congress and the whitehouse(Bush), and same for the democrats.

I know the Democrats passed that iraq bill with the withdrawl date, about a month or so ago. But other than that, not a clue what other bills they have passed since they took control of congress this past January. I really don't know, what bill's republicans passed in the 1st five months when they took control of congress 10-12 some years ago, I was too young to care at the time. Same goes for when republicans took control of both congress and the whitehouse back in 2001. No clue what bills were passed.

 

[Mxylplyx]

I think it's safe to say that democrats have accomplished pretty much nothing of substance since they took power. Rhetoric isnt an accomplishment. Not to say that I like Republicans better, but they are apparently better politicians....which isnt always a good thing.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
I think it's safe to say that democrats have accomplished pretty much nothing of substance since they took power. Rhetoric isnt an accomplishment. Not to say that I like Republicans better, but they are apparently better politicians....which isnt always a good thing.

That is the whole idea. Stall the govt so that bush can't get anything done. Do that a long as you can until we get a dem for pres and then everything will get rolling again. I like it that the dem controlled cong and sen is stalling all the bush prefered bills.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
I think it's safe to say that democrats have accomplished pretty much nothing of substance since they took power.

Good, then they have stopped the daily damage the Republicans were doing to the Country. :thumbsup:

 

[piasabird]

The whole Bush agenda is flawed.

 

[CPA]

This thread is flawed.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
I think it's safe to say that democrats have accomplished pretty much nothing of substance since they took power.

Good, then they have stopped the daily damage the Republicans were doing to the Country. :thumbsup:

No, they havent. If you believe so, link?

 

[blackangst1]

It's funny. I was looking at a cached copy of the DNC website itself regarding their promises last fall as to what they will accomplish in the first 100 hours if elected. EVERY. SINGLE. ISSUE. they have renegged on. And of course Im sure you all heard about them caving in on Tuesday about the Iraqi pullout.

 

[fskimospy]

This thread is based on a fairly flawed idea of how Congress works. If you look at previous congress' significant accomplishments sometimes they take 6 months, a year... a year and a half to finally get their legislative priorities fully ironed out and signed into law by the president.

To say that this congress hasn't done anything based on the first 5 months, particularly after a change in majority leadership is just revealing your own ignorance. They will certainly pass less legislation then the 109th considering they have to fight Bush the whole way, but in order to get an accurate picture of how effective this congress was you need to wait till farther into the term.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
It's funny. I was looking at a cached copy of the DNC website itself regarding their promises last fall as to what they will accomplish in the first 100 hours if elected. EVERY. SINGLE. ISSUE. they have renegged on. And of course Im sure you all heard about them caving in on Tuesday about the Iraqi pullout.

Well that wasn't hard to disprove.

I will say that they are weaseling in the fact that they dont mention that most of the implementations are incomplete ones, but that would be the politics of compromise. (and of course it's the DCCC website.. haha)

 

[ProfJohn]

It is hard to compare the 1994 Republican take over with the 2006 Democrat take over.
Go read about the ?Republican Revolution? or the ?Contract with America? on wikipedia and you will get an idea of what the Republicans set out to accomplish.

Looking at the contract with American page you see that it took a few years to get many of those ideas put into place. But most of them were voted on with a few months of them taking over.

The problem the Democrats have is that the Senate, which they control, is moving as a snails pace in voting on anything. Minimum wage passed the house months ago, but it took this war funding bill to finally get it to the President.

One thing the Democrats seem to be a total failure at is their promise to change how congress acts. We forget that when Republicans first took over they put in place substantial changed to how congress works. It took them years to undo some of those changes and get to the point we were last fall. The Democrats made noise about what they were going to change, but just don?t seem that interested in making those changes happen.

One final thing to think about?
The 1994 take over was a much more ideologically based conservative take over a congress. At that time the Republicans had won 5 of the last 7 Presidential elections, but had never take over congress. So in effect it was a lag effect of the countries move to the right after being controlled by Democrats for much of the 40s, 50s and 60s.

What we saw in 2006 was not so much a move away from conservative ideology as it was a nation unhappy with the war and with a run away free spending congress.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1
It's funny. I was looking at a cached copy of the DNC website itself regarding their promises last fall as to what they will accomplish in the first 100 hours if elected. EVERY. SINGLE. ISSUE. they have renegged on. And of course Im sure you all heard about them caving in on Tuesday about the Iraqi pullout.

Well that wasn't hard to disprove.

I will say that they are weaseling in the fact that they dont mention that most of the implementations are incomplete ones, but that would be the politics of compromise. (and of course it's the DCCC website.. haha)

At least you recognise this. These bills have effectively zero teeth. "Feel good" resolution (which BOTH parties are guilty of).

 

[Aisengard]

EVERY. SINGLE. ISSUE. they have renegged on.

So now that we know you are a complete liar, blackangst, why should we listen to you?

 

[Lemon law]

Hey, Congress just passed a lobbying reform bill---which is more the repubs did in six years---now that the troop funding is out of the way for three months, you will start to see a wide range of bills going through. No matter how bad the dems are, they cannot possibly do worse than the rubber stamp congresses of the past six years. And never forget, they are still in the process of understanding the abuses of the past six years and how best to correct them without screwing up other aspects.

I expect to see a thread soon from right wing republicans soon complaining that the democratic congress is doing too much and going too far in taking apart the Republican agenda of the past six years.----in other words this whole thread is more forum trolling and sour grapes. And just wait until the many investigations being worked on turn decidedly criminal---and you start to see the GWB&co. administration really come apart at the seams. Some people are just far too impatient---I am predicting many will be singing a very different tune in a two or three months.

And we will see what the new Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh spin line will be. But don't be surprised is the democrats come up with their version of shock and awe---as jail cells across the country reach out and suck in lots of ratty Republicans who should have been jailed years ago. Meanwhile---look at the current situation as giving the opposition more rope to hang themselves with.

And we must also realize something else. Namely that the rules of the game have completely changed. During the past six years the GOP was completely in charge. And democrats were only useful as a community urinals to aim some blame at. Now the democrats have a majority in the House and a razor thin majority in the Senate. Getting anything DONE and getting past the GWB&co. veto does require congressional GOP support. And the democrats must convince the rest of the GOP that GWB&co. is the common enemy. While I think that the case is irrefutable and that in fact GWB&co. is the national enemy, convincing the GOP of THAT FACT is always going to be a slow process. And being too partisan is a counterproductive game for the democratic leadership to play. And therefore, what the various right wing republicans here take for weakness may in fact be a very wise and prudent strategy by democrats.----and I can well understand---that after six years of GWB&co., right wing republicans leadership, that many here may have forgotten that there is such a thing as a wise and prudent strategy that will inevitably prevail in the fullness of time.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

EVERY. SINGLE. ISSUE. they have renegged on.

So now that we know you are a complete liar, blackangst, why should we listen to you?

Ah yes because like others on here I express an opinion backed with 3rd party info that makes me a liar :roll: Please. As most on here, I couldnt care less what you think of me. It's not like others on this board have high stature and every thing they post makes people say "wow, that person is so smart". Gimme a break. This is a board of opinion. If someone doesnt agree with me, thats fine. Who cares? But a liar? Maybe in your twisted mind.

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Aisengard

EVERY. SINGLE. ISSUE. they have renegged on.

So now that we know you are a complete liar, blackangst, why should we listen to you?

Ah yes because like others on here I express an opinion backed with 3rd party info that makes me a liar :roll: Please. As most on here, I couldnt care less what you think of me. It's not like others on this board have high stature and every thing they post makes people say "wow, that person is so smart". Gimme a break. This is a board of opinion. If someone doesnt agree with me, thats fine. Who cares? But a liar? Maybe in your twisted mind.

An opinion? Looks like you were trying to express cold, hard fact. It's not an opinion when you state things. But I guess as a die-hard Bush supporter you wouldn't know the difference.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Aisengard

EVERY. SINGLE. ISSUE. they have renegged on.

So now that we know you are a complete liar, blackangst, why should we listen to you?

Ah yes because like others on here I express an opinion backed with 3rd party info that makes me a liar :roll: Please. As most on here, I couldnt care less what you think of me. It's not like others on this board have high stature and every thing they post makes people say "wow, that person is so smart". Gimme a break. This is a board of opinion. If someone doesnt agree with me, thats fine. Who cares? But a liar? Maybe in your twisted mind.

An opinion? Looks like you were trying to express cold, hard fact. It's not an opinion when you state things. But I guess as a die-hard Bush supporter you wouldn't know the difference.

Show me effective legislation the Dems have passed that have actually changed the course of the Bush administration. If anything they have reversed their opinions since election time (i.e. troop pullout). Sure, they passed legislation "RELATING" to their subject matter in the first 100 hours, but nothing has changed.

Oh and BTW Mister Knowledge I didnt vote for Bush in 04, nor am I a Republican. Once again, reading comprehension 0/10, as I have stated this in many threads. Im done bickering with you on this thread. It has degenerated into name calling, and is off topic. Take it to PM's if you would like.

 

[Aisengard]

Show me effective legislation the Dems have passed that have actually changed the course of the Bush administration.

That's not what we were talking about. You said yourself, the Democrats have reneged on every single issue they brought up. The website eskimospy provided completely debunked that. Now your logical choice is to admit ignorance or admit deceit. That's where the Bush reference comes in.

 

[DealMonkey]

This isn't the first time I've pointed out tons of legislation that was being worked on in committee or even passed since control of Congress shifted, and certain people just stamped their feet like 5-year olds screeching "They haven't done anything!" Blah, blah, blah. See if you can get this through your gray matter: we've gone from a GOP dominance of all branches of government wherein anything they wanted sailed through with nary a hint of veto, to a extremely slim Democratic majority. The only thing that'll get passed now are compromise bills that both parties sign off on and that doesn't disturb Bush's ideology sufficiently to wave his veto pen.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Show me effective legislation the Dems have passed that have actually changed the course of the Bush administration.

That's not what we were talking about. You said yourself, the Democrats have reneged on every single issue they brought up. The website eskimospy provided completely debunked that. Now your logical choice is to admit ignorance or admit deceit. That's where the Bush reference comes in.

Alright I'll concede about the "effective legistion" comment as being off topic, but I think it's still valid. Sure, the Dems have a few bills passed in 5 months. Are they of any consequence putting important matters in a better place? Nope. Minimum wage, eh. Upsides and downsides to this. But as others have said, even McDonalds pays higher than min wage so it's a moot point.

Halting Bush spending money like a drunken sailer? Nothings changed.
Pullout from Iraq in a clean non-pork added bill? Nada.
Putting a stop to the free flowing river of illegals entering our country? Nope.
Anything leading to our effective decrease on our dependance to foreign oil? Crickets.

I think that covers the biggest issues.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Aisengard

EVERY. SINGLE. ISSUE. they have renegged on.

So now that we know you are a complete liar, blackangst, why should we listen to you?

Ah yes because like others on here I express an opinion backed with 3rd party info that makes me a liar :roll: Please. As most on here, I couldnt care less what you think of me. It's not like others on this board have high stature and every thing they post makes people say "wow, that person is so smart". Gimme a break. This is a board of opinion. If someone doesnt agree with me, thats fine. Who cares? But a liar? Maybe in your twisted mind.

An opinion? Looks like you were trying to express cold, hard fact. It's not an opinion when you state things.

But I guess as a die-hard Bush supporter you wouldn't know the difference.

:laugh:

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
That's not what we were talking about. You said yourself, the Democrats have reneged on every single issue they brought up. The website eskimospy provided completely debunked that. Now your logical choice is to admit ignorance or admit deceit. That's where the Bush reference comes in.

ROFLMAO. Eskimo linked to the DNC's propaganda site. Do you really believe that is a credible source of truth?

The fact is Democrats have renegged on nearly every promise, from Nancy Pelosi's claim the new Congress would be "The most ethical ever" to Democrats' claiming they would lower gas prices. They've outright done nothing on most of their promises, and written sleazy, watered-down bills with fancy names on a few others (devoid of any real substance or teeth.)

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Aisengard
That's not what we were talking about. You said yourself, the Democrats have reneged on every single issue they brought up. The website eskimospy provided completely debunked that. Now your logical choice is to admit ignorance or admit deceit. That's where the Bush reference comes in.

ROFLMAO. Eskimo linked to the DNC's propaganda site. Do you really believe that is a credible source of truth?

The fact is Democrats have renegged on nearly every promise, from Nancy Pelosi's claim the new Congress would be "The most ethical ever" to Democrats' claiming they would lower gas prices. They've outright done nothing on most of their promises, and written sleazy, watered-down bills with fancy names on a few others (devoid of any real substance or teeth.)

Funny, because it lists actual, real life bills that Congress passed. It's not exactly what the Democrats promised, but that's because of compromise. Please, if you can prove that these bills didn't pass or even exist I'd love to hear it. Otherwise you continue to blow meaningless hot air and whine and crow "See! I told you! Stupid Democrats, if they can't get it done in 5 months then they obviously can't get it done at all" without having a modicum of an idea of how the system actually works.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
It's not exactly what the Democrats promised

Thanks for finally admitting what I said a long time ago.

You were so busy defending your heroes, you failed to notice that was the only point I made.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Thanks for finally admitting what I said a long time ago.

You were so busy defending your heroes, you failed to notice that was the only point I made.

Please.

You are making the classic mistake of attacking the campaign promises you wish the democrats made, instead of the ones they actually made. The 100 hours was a pledge in relation to the House of Representatives... and it all passed with very limited deviation from what was promised. (there is one exception... they pledged to fully implement the 9/11 commission's recommendations and then 100% broke that promise. So that one was definitely a lie.) They never made any promises about getting it through the Senate, as they don't have a working majority there in the way that they do in the House. They also can't speak for what Bush's stupid a$s will veto. That's just common sense.

Hate on the proposals themselves all you want, I'm sure there's plenty in them for you to hate. Get mad that for every ethical loophole they close they sneak in another one so they can continue the shadiness. (although in fairness they still don't seem to be coming close to the 109th) That's messed up too. They haven't done enough to challenge 'old Bush yet.. that sucks too.

Simply put though any fair analysis of the 100 hour pledge and the way that they implemented would determine that they came pretty close, and they certainly haven't done "nothing on most of their promises". That is a either a sign of ignorance, or a deliberate lie.