What ATI card is DOOM III using ?

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NicColt

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According to this ATI press release we now know that they are using ATI but what ??? if they are using ATI's next gen chip scheduled to be released this fall, what exactly are they using ?? anyone have a link to this answer.

E3 2002, Los Angeles, CA - May 24, 2002 - Id Software? has chosen ATI's next generation graphics architecture as the platform for previewing their unbelievably realistic and much anticipated DOOM III? at this year's E3 Expo. ATI's chip was chosen because it offers the most advanced, high-performance graphics architecture to power the demonstration at E3 2002. DOOM III?, scheduled for release in 2003, has been highly anticipated both as an unbelievable game and as a true measure of today - and tomorrow's - graphics architectures. Also highly anticipated, ATI's next generation product, scheduled for release this fall, will cement ATI firmly as a leader in the ultra-high-end 3D and gaming graphics market.
"ATI's next generation hardware has an ideal feature set for the DOOM III? engine, and at the moment is the fastest platform to run the game on," said John Carmack, Chief Technical Officer & co-founder of Id Software, Inc.

E3 DOOM III poster
 
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richleader

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That ATI spin is spin, naturally. I think it's safe to assume that they were running it on an 8500 unless we hear otherwise. The Carmack quote seems a bit off too, *if* it was taken from that interview where he went on to say that the Geforce 4 actually outran it despite it having several tech disadvantages in the number of passes it had to do.

My *guess* is, that the boxes Id chose to run the demo on just had 8500s, ATI lucked out, and is trying to make it sound like it was something that was actually meaningful. I think they are using fake language to trump it up. I believe the FIRST next generation means the 8500 (which is still ADVERTISED as next gen, compared to say, the geforce 2 mx that everyone has), and the second next generation in the paragraph is their next chip. Press people like to exploit syntax like that.
 
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bobbybob

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ahh I don't think those screens of DOOM3 were taken from ATI 8500 .. THey were just TOO GOOD, on high res with AA .. I think it was running on early R300 .... Anyhow, sooner or later we should know this for sure ....
 
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richleader

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No game (for the pc anyway, Dead or Alive 3 on xbox maybe) has really taken full advantage of the pixel shaders in today's cards.

While there's a lot of polygons in those pics, and the lighting is good, the bathroom scene otherwise wasn't *really* head and shoulders over similar areas in Max Payne. And those shots might have been from the demo, but who knows if they were taken at demo resolution and speed--heck, they could have been taken on a machine with an nvidia card. We just know that Ati cards powered the demo *at* e3.

While I'm sure Carmack and co have their hands on the latest prototype boards of every company--I doubt any PR people would have left open a road-trip clause for their hardware, after all, what if the R300 BSOD'd in the middle of e3? Would ATI take that chance?
 
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heck...it could have been that ATI provided the hardware (8500s) to id for the E3 demo. Nvidia probably didn't feel it was worth it, needed to do it, or wanted to provide the necessary hardware. ATi probably dropped the hardware into carmack's lap free of charge and said "plese use this on your E3 demo of Doom 3 and you can keep the card(s)"

who cares? Doom3 WILL NOT be running on an 8500 or even a GF4 when it is released. people will have cards at least 2 generations from now for high end.
 
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who cares? Doom3 WILL NOT be running on an 8500 or even a GF4 when it is released. people will have cards at least 2 generations from now for high end.
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I doubt it...I think a geforce4 (not MX) should run Doom3 fine with the right CPU, don't you think? Look at it this way...we're almost halfway through 2002, and Doom3 is coming out in 2003. At most we will have 2 more generations of cards when Doom3 comes out, and id can't expect everyone to own the latest $400 video card. I really think a GF4 will be enough...
 
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zsouthboy

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Anyone read Carmack's interview? I thought he said that cards lower than GF2 and Radeon were not going to have acceptable frame rates, except at an insanely low resolution.

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kami

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Orbius I never said that it wasn't an ATI card running the Doom3 thing. I was simply saying that I think a GF4 will be enough to run Doom3 when it comes out, as id can't afford to cater to only people who have the latest and greatest.
 
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richleader

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I thought I already debunked that press release? Think about it, had the R300 been in those boxes, don't you think they would have said so explicitly?

"next generation" can mean anything newer than an atari 7800 to the PR types. You can't always take them literally unless they offer specific details.
 
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Bozo Galora

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I just read somewhere that it was a GF4 running D3 at E3

no, I dont have a link - didn't interest me
 
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cmdrdredd

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kami look at my post again...i said for the high end it will be 2 generations beyond the GF4 now. So those that always stay top of the line will be running that hardware with the game. Not everyone obviously, but a good number of people will have something else than a R200/GF4
 
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Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

who cares? Doom3 WILL NOT be running on an 8500 or even a GF4 when it is released. people will have cards at least 2 generations from now for high end.
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of course it'll run fine on a radeon 8500 or a geforce 4...I mean not everyone can shovel out $200-$300+ for a video card...if developers expect to make a profit they'll make it run on the lowest denominator computer...meaning a lowly processor and a geforce 2/4mx...since most of the people who buy games out there aren't hardcore gamers and computer freaks...meaning they don't upgrade that much and overclock their computers to death....it would be hard for id to make any type of profit on doom 3 if it needs the latest hardware to get playable frame rates
 
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I think it's possible that it was running on a R300.

what if the R300 BSOD'd in the middle of e3? Would ATI take that chance?
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Heh, that's the first thing I thought of too but at the same time I wondered whether it was possible that after working closely with Carmack ATi's drivers have gotten in shape, at least for Doom3.

think a geforce4 (not MX) should run Doom3 fine with the right CPU, don't you think?
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No way, I expect anything lower than a GF3 based chip will absolutely crawl in that game. A Ti4600 or 8500 will probably provide adequate performance but it won't be until the NV30/R300 and beyond that we'll be seeing really good performance.
 
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NicColt

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>after working closely with Carmack ATi's drivers have gotten in shape, at least for Doom3.

I think it looks more like something in the hardware that got to him.

"ATI's next generation hardware has an ideal feature set for the DOOM III? engine, and at the moment is the fastest platform to run the game on," said John Carmack"

On a side note after reading this again.

->Id Software has chosen ATI's next generation graphics architecture as the platform for previewing DOOM III

->ATI's next generation product, scheduled for release this fall

->ATI's next generation hardware has an ideal feature set for the DOOM III engine

next gen seems to be a buzz word these days depending on the day. So they have choosen the ATI's grahics architecture for the platform, the product is scheduled for release this fall and the hardware has an ideal feature. We will probably have to wait until a next generation thread to find out what the heck all this means.
 
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of course it'll run fine on a radeon 8500 or a geforce 4...I mean not everyone can shovel out $200-$300+ for a video card...if developers expect to make a profit they'll make it run on the lowest denominator computer...meaning a lowly processor and a geforce 2/4mx...since most of the people who buy games out there aren't hardcore gamers and computer freaks...meaning they don't upgrade that much and overclock their computers to death....it would be hard for id to make any type of profit on doom 3 if it needs the latest hardware to get playable frame rates
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Carmack said out of the current crop, GF4 Ti's will run it best, followed by Radeon 8500s. Then GF3's are the cut-off line basically. Anything below or even anything in the MX line (including GF4 MX) will not run it unless you do something like 320x240.
 
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DevilsAdvocate

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That is not what the article I read about Doom 3 said. It stated unequivocally that the Doom 3 demo was running on the Radeon 8500.
 
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PING

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doom III requires Pixel and Vertex shaders...hence < gf3 are handicapped.
 
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While there's a lot of polygons in those pics
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Just a clarification - from what the interview with Carmack said that I read, the creatures in D3 do not have high poly counts. They are bump mapped.
 
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richleader

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I was talking about the sinks and urinals. I can't help it, my eyes just gravitated towards them. :eek:
 
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