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What are your thoughts on Windows 7 Beta? Any good?

ibex333

Diamond Member
What has changed? Is it still incompatible with plenty of software? Does it still ask you "Are you sure you want to..." every time you try to run something?

Is it still "all flash no substance"? Does it introduce any new "essential", useful features? Frankly I'm quite skeptical about Windows 7 after trying out Vista. It is my firm belief that XP is better in just about every way, but maybe that all has changed with Windows 7?

Your opinions please...
 
Originally posted by: ibex333
What has changed? Is it still incompatible with plenty of software? Does it still ask you "Are you sure you want to..." every time you try to run something?

Is it still "all flash no substance"? Does it introduce any new "essential", useful features? Frankly I'm quite skeptical about Windows 7 after trying out Vista. It is my firm belief that XP is better in just about every way, but maybe that all has changed with Windows 7?

Your opinions please...

You will hate Windows 7 so don't bother with that attitude.
 
Originally posted by: ibex333
What has changed? Is it still incompatible with plenty of software? Does it still ask you "Are you sure you want to..." every time you try to run something?

Is it still "all flash no substance"? Does it introduce any new "essential", useful features? Frankly I'm quite skeptical about Windows 7 after trying out Vista. It is my firm belief that XP is better in just about every way, but maybe that all has changed with Windows 7?

Your opinions please...

I currently use Vista 64 and I strongly prefer XP.
 
I agree with the others that you don't actually want our opinions -- your mind is already made up. You hate Vista, we get it. Windows 7 has its roots in Vista, so what do you think it is more similar to -- Vista or the very old XP?

That all said, I run a dual boot setup with Vista x64 and XP x86. It would probably be better to run XP x64, since I have 6GB RAM. But I figured, what the heck, if I get some application that doesn't work in Vista x64, I can always get it to run in XP x86. To be honest with you, I've booted up into XP probably 3 times in the last year -- to get SP3 and just keep XP maintained.

As it is right now, I see absolutely no reason to run XP if your machine can run Vista. Sure, if it's old then XP will run better on it, like my 1.6GHz single core laptop.

Now, you wanted to hear about Windows 7. I have only been able to run this on my spare PC -- much slower than my main rig. (Main rig is a Q6600 @ 3.24GHz, 6GB RAM, and 2 drive RAID0 OS partition [with weekly backups to an eSATA drive]; secondary is an X2 4200+ with 2GB RAM, and old ATA 120GB drive). That said, my spare PC was running Vista before and I have to say that Windows 7 appears to be faster. It also installs in under 10GB, which I thought was pretty good. If you're going to complain about bloatware and all that nonsense, I'll just point you to Newegg who sells 1500GB drives for $130. You have no rational argument with HD capacity and prices as they are to say that 10GB (less, actually) is too much for an OS. I have games that are over 10GB (Grid is 10.1GB).

The changes over Vista made with Windows 7 are mostly minor tweaks, with few things that are drastic.

As you have heard about the User Account Control (UAC) in Vista, yes it was annoying. But you may not have heard that it takes about 10 seconds + 1 reboot to disable those messages and warnings. This, however, ruins the purpose of UAC -- to prevent spyware from being installed and compromising the OS. Windows 7 takes UAC to a more logical level, offering levels of control. Yes, theres still the option to turn it off, but I have it setup as the lowest level. Basically, the default is much like Vista where it warns you whenever anything trys to install. You can change it, like I did, to warn you only when you did not initiate an install. So, if I install something I don't get a warning about "Are you sure you want to install XYZ?" -- but if that program tries to install something else it will warn me about that. So far, this has not been intrusive whatsoever. I think this is a good level of control that they have done, enough to keep malicious software out without displaying so many warnings that users mindlessly allow everything.

The final change that I really really liked in Windows 7 was the introduction of Libraries.

Here's my setup, and I'm aware this is extreme compared to most users -- but we are on Anandtech, so I can't say it's not uncommon around here:

2x250GB in a RAID0 array with OS's
4x320GB in a RAID5 array for storage
1x500GB eSATA for backup of OS, etc.
1x1TB Firewire for more storage, etc.

With Libraries, you can setup multiple folders to appear in a library. So, if I have music on the RAID5 and the Firewire, I dump both those folders into a library and then I can just go to the library and I get all the files in both those folders. I designate one to be the primary folder, so when I copy to a library everything goes to the same place. Or if you have downloads all over the place, same thing. I think this is a much more intuitive way of organizing data than having 5 partitions with redundancies.

The taskbar is also a bit different. You can pin applications to it. So, instead of having a quick launch bar with, say, IE and Libraries you have IE and Libraries pinned to the taskbar. When you click IE, it starts up the app and expands itself by showing the text like it does in every other Windows version. When you download a file and close out the browser the icon takes on the progress bar of the download. And all these pinned apps have a drop-down menu (well, it opens up, but whatever) where it stores your most frequently accessed places (sites, folders, files, whatever is logically relevant) and makes shortcuts to them from there. These same shortcuts appear in the start menu next to every application, whether you pin it to the taskbar or not.

Oh, and Windows Media Player 12. I'm sure you probably use VLC or MPC since you seem like that kind of person, but I've never had a problem playing *any* video files if I have ffdshow tryouts & Haali Media Splitter installed with WMP. I like WMP, it does everything I need it to. The only thing I don't use WMP for is music, I choose Winamp for that. WMP takes up too much of the screen just for music browsing. (The same goes with iTunes). Hell, even with Winamp I never use the Media Library (too much screen). Instead, I organize my music into folders by band, and then subfolders by album. Or, better yet, I create M3U files for each album and store those in 26 folders for the first letter of each band and keep that as a menu on the taskbar. All I have to do is open up the playlists from the taskbar, go to the letter, band, and pick an album. Very useful thing there.

There, you wanted an opinion -- you got one. Probably won't change your mind, and I honestly don't care. I've been using Vista since day 1 and loved it. I see no reason except for outdated hardware as to why you should be on XP instead of Windows Vista, and especially with Windows 7. Windows 7 only improves over Vista (I bet you're thinking, "How could it do any worse?"), and I really enjoyed using it. I'm waiting to try out the x64 edition of Windows 7 on my main rig.

FWIW, the only application I found incompatible with Vista was old versions of Norton Ghost and Nero (6.x I believe). These are easily solved by upgrading -- shocking, I'm sure. Roxio was initially incompatible, I believe with Vista, but this is easily fixed by changing to Nero, which is clearly superior anyways. Also, initial reports of gaming perfomance being decreased in Vista vs XP are no longer current. In general, Vista gaming performance is as good or better than XP. Plus, Vista has DX10 which actually is used now with DX10 cards and games -- something that was not available en masse when Vista first debuted.
 
I posted my feedback in the other thread anyway to me its like Vista with some changes and improvements,nothing major IMHO,its good for low spec PCs so if you got a Vista based PC thats slow then it might be worth trying the beta out since its better for low end systems.

XP to Win7 retail will be worth the ugrade IMHO.
Vista to Win7 hmm not really unless you have problems with your Vista or low spec PC.

I'm going to hold on to my Vista until Win8 I think,Win7 beta was fun but nothing there that makes me want to give MR.Gates more of my money when its released.

 
When I first installed Vista I was a little uncertain about the big colorful cartoonish icons, but it took me all of three hours to realize that I preferred Vista in every way, (except for the annoying unsigned driver BS on X64), and I have never looked back or missed XP at all.

I read that Windows 7 got rid of the Sidebar, which I guess a lot of people didn't like and which hogged resources. Personally I like the sidebar, I am just careful about not installing any resource heavy sidebar gadgets.

Otherwise, if Windows 7 shows the kind of advancments that Vista showed over XP, I am certain I will be quite happy with it. I am really looking forward to trying it, and hopefully it will be stable enough soon to use as my main OS.
 
wouldn't mind giving it a go, but all i've been getting for the last 8 hours or so is,.....

"Thanks for your interest in the Windows 7 Beta. The volume has been phenomenal?we're in the process of adding more servers to handle the demand. We're sorry for the delay and we'll re-post the Beta as soon as we can ensure a quality download experience"

🙁
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: TAandy
wouldn't mind giving it a go, but all i've been getting for the last 8 hours or so is,.....

"Thanks for your interest in the Windows 7 Beta. The volume has been phenomenal?we're in the process of adding more servers to handle the demand. We're sorry for the delay and we'll re-post the Beta as soon as we can ensure a quality download experience"

🙁

Come on guys, don't let a bunch of cheapskate SlickDealers beat you! (read 1st and 2nd post).

woohoo 😀

cheers 🙂 :beer:
 
Well just getting things installed...and something Ive noticed...a few things that used to require reboot...DONT. Its pretty slick so far, although the supbar is strange. Only because Im not used to it. Very intuitive though and easy to get personalized.
 
managed to get it downloading.
browser wise, i like google chrome. is there anywhere to get a plug-in like that 'check4change' for it?
thats cool 🙂

is it just me, or did ie used to have an option to do that, something like 'tell me when this page has updated'
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well just getting things installed...and something Ive noticed...a few things that used to require reboot...DONT. Its pretty slick so far, although the supbar is strange. Only because Im not used to it. Very intuitive though and easy to get personalized.

Yeah I was pleasantly surprised that not only did I not have to install my chipset drivers like I did with Vista, but that Win7 didn't need to reboot after installing the ATI graphics drivers.

FWIW if anyone in this forum even cares, gaming in Win7 works well considering it's a beta OS with beta drivers.


x64 Windows 7 beta and beta 8.12 drivers:
3DMark Score
16200 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score
6076
SM 3.0 Score
7316
CPU Score
5479

x64 Vista SP2 beta with 8.12 drivers:
3DMark Score
16292 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score
6053
SM 3.0 Score
7316
CPU Score
5707

The scores are virtually identical, but Vista has a slightly higher CPU score. I'm not sure why.

If anyone is really, really curious I can see if I can find my old copy of XP64 and see how it compares sometime this weekend.
 
Originally posted by: ibex333
What has changed? Is it still incompatible with plenty of software? Does it still ask you "Are you sure you want to..." every time you try to run something?

Is it still "all flash no substance"? Does it introduce any new "essential", useful features? Frankly I'm quite skeptical about Windows 7 after trying out Vista. It is my firm belief that XP is better in just about every way, but maybe that all has changed with Windows 7?

Your opinions please...

Those of believe XP is just better than Vista should think about those days when XP came out: compared to Windows 2000, XP was trashed even worse than Vista.
Simply put, just stick to Windows 2000 and dont' bother.
 
Bit off topic, but I am going to install later today ,( x64 version ), can anyone tell me how many gigs the x64 version expands to and what is the minimum partition size that'll work?

I have xp on a 58 gig Partition that I can do away with,(dual boot with Vista on other partition), or I can clean up a sata drive, but would prefer to hit the partition.

Larry
 
I just installed the 64-bit version.

The installation process was somewhat flaky. There were numerous times where there was a blank screen for 10 minutes or so and the computer seemed to be doing nothing, but in reality it was.

Once I got it up and running, I was extemely impressed. I think I will buy this software upon its release. It seems like the best Windows since W2K.

I will be writing an article on Windows 7 for a hardware website, and will compare it to XP and probably to Vista as well in terms of performance.
 
I'm hooking up my 160GB WD into my computer later today (currently has Windows Vista x86 on it) and installing Windows 7 on there once my download finishes.

OP: You need to give Vista another chance (and tweak it to your liking). I've found it to be better designed in every single way than XP is. Some of the stuff can be considered minor details but for me, they just make sense. I've not run into a single compatibility problem thus far and really, I can't complain how great MS has been with the x86 program compatibility.
 
I've got it installed the 64 bit version. I do like that it is certainly much quicker than vista. It starts up faster and shuts down faster. When you open programs they open right away. When you unzip things its very fast. It seems much more efficient than vista. But the things I don't like are no classic start menu, I hate with a passion the new start menu, its too big and too bloated. And then the no v sync in older games, that is a real let down for me. Most of my games that I play are ones that don't have that option in game so you have to force it, but windows 7 will not let you do that, why I have no idea. And the process running in the background. Their is like 36 on a fresh install and windows 7 itself takes up like 15 gb. Xp has like 15 process running and takes up about 300 mb. I'm sure though I will be forced to goto windows 7 or vista within the next 2 years because things just wouldn't run on Xp anymore. So I gave vista a D and I give windows 7 a C
 
i found installing win 7 a bit disconcerting in that it sat there for so long doing nothing so i thought it had hung up and started again..once past that , things went pretty smoothly..the problem i'm going to have versus winxp pro is drivers, drivers, drivers. got the atheros network adapter to work using vista 64 driver. but, the deal breaker for me to not go with it at this point will be that the nvidia driver i installed to replace the one windows installed (again, vista 64 version at this point) didn't work..that's a deal breaker for me in the sense that the nvidia driver windows installs doesn't appear to have an nvidia control panel so i don't think i can enable overscan on my big screen so it's a major annoyance to have so much stuff existing on the edges or below the screen. i have a regular lcd 20 inch monitor attached as well but i rarely use it. the other problem i'm going to run into i'm sure is lack of support for my 3 hauppauge tuner cards and my turtle beach sound card.. but hey..it appears my samsung laser printer installed for a change!🙂 one day, i know i'll have to upgrade..but i'll wait until nvidia at least has drivers that are compatible with this OS and i'm prepared to give up my tuner cards. and yes, i am dual booting..otherwise, it's a neat toy for me to play with at this point to see how it works. it does seem to be quite fast in general but i noticed this annoying thing when browsing for folders that it seems to hesitate for 2 or 3 seconds before going to a folder.. that will get tired really quick. in terms of it's general ease to get around and such, until i can see everything on one screen, i shouldn't really say much about it. for example, i've accidentally triggered the "send report" button about 50 times not knowing i've clicked on it on an open window cause i can't see the command which is on the top of each window beside the close etc due to my display overscan issue. i like how you can right click on the desktop and get to a ton of stuff. i like how the nvidia driver that did install initially had the option for 720 x 480 right there..if only it had overscan..i'd be doing a lot more with this os.
 
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