What are your thoughts on Suicide?

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Mai72

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You should read "A Man's Search for Meaning" by Victor Frankl. A holocaust survivor he saw many many people take their lives in these camps. 4 camps to be exact. And, he always came back with the same conclusions. The people who took their lives all lost their why. They gave up on living. Wne Frankl was in those camps, he would project himself into the future giving speeches to people who wanted to hear how he survived. He was even writing his manuscript in Auschwotz when it was taken from him by a guard. He then would take scraps of paper and rewrote his manuscript again.
 
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Mai72

Lifer
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Does it even matter? At the macro level our lives are so short. You're born. You get about 5 minutes to play in the playground of life and then that's it. Enjoy life. If you need help, get it.
 
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SKORPI0

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I don't like this worry in my life..i have enough problems
We all do. It's sad that a person has to be in that mind frame at that point in their life and thinking/attempting to end their life.
Try to be there for her and maybe seek help/counseling on the WHY? :confused_old:
 

rchunter

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If it's a chronic illness and its bad enough yeah. Otherwise no.

The way they are clamping down on pain pills making it super hard for even legitimate patients to get lately there is no doubt going to be a lot of it going on but they already know this.
 

FirNaTine

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It is often an attempt to exert control over a life they feel like they no longer have control over. As others have said it if often not rational to us, but in their mind, if they decide to do it, if they can't control how the live, they can at least control the how and when they die.

I'd advise you both to seek professional mental health, as it's stressing you clearly as well as her. Often there are signs ahead of time, but not always. Getting affairs in order, giving away possessions, making amends to those they hurt, and sometimes a sudden increase in mood (they have something to look forward in a sense). But, as everyone is unique, a depressed person may not show any of those, and a triggering event (loss of job/relationship etc) may trigger an attempt in someone not previously thought to be at risk.

Also, look into mobile crisis counseling services in your area. I know of several states/areas that have 24/7 trained counselors that can come to you if you are in crisis and considering self harm. Folks are sometimes hesitant to call EMS or police, but there are options. Know that if they have taken something, or could be violent, etc. that you need to call 911 immediately. If a person is truly suicidal, they are not always concerned with being arrested/consequences of their actions (they think they will be gone) and anyone preventing them from completing their goal *can* be at risk. In my area it would be a joint police/EMS response, as PD has the ability to compel treatment if someone is a danger to themselves and for scene safety, but I can also sedate the person to minimize combativeness and their risk of harm to both self and others.

Again, none of this replaces licensed mental health counseling, and you should both seek it (and anyone else that finds themselves in a similar scenario)
 

dabuddha

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Unless you're nearing end of life, suicide is a cowardly thing. It never makes anything "better" for those you leave behind. If there are kids involved, you have an obligation to hang in there if only for them. That said, it's an expression of mental illness and thinking rationally often isn't possible. However, suicide is never a sudden thing. Withdrawal and refusal to talk about what's bothering them is a frequent sign.

Try being alienated completely from your own children before judging someone. I don't agree with it but I can understand why some people do it and it's sad
 

Mai72

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Just read that George Forman's daughter commited suicide last week. :(
 

Mayne

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sister is in a much better mind frame today. But now I think constantly...is she really?
 

Jaepheth

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Honestly, I think anyone who wants out should be allowed out.
I would discourage anyone contemplating it though.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Knowing how you really feel about suicide, I appreciate the softer tone you took towards me at the time when I was facing this myself.
People contemplating suicide need help not condemnation. That doesn't mean it isn't wrong.