What are your ideas for gun control?

[BAMAVOO]

Thre is so much debate going on right now. What are some ideas you feel would help in the shootings that are happening? I am a gun owner, but I wouldn't mind some changes . I would be all for a waiting period as well as registering every gun and if you sell it, only be able to do so at a store and have the new owner register it too.

 

[brycejones]

I would add in removing guns from those who are having mental issues until those issues are resolved. The main goal here is to reduce the suicide success rate for middle age rural white males.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I think universal background checks (private sales included) make sense and will help get guns out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them over time. Personally I wouldn't be for mag capacity limits, semi auto limitations / bans, suppressor bans, etc.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Limits on the capacity, firing rate, ammunition types and quantity of guns one person can own.

An annual qualification, licensing and registration process, something along the lines of motor vehicles.

Extensive buy back campaigns.

An advertising campaign that targets the gun industry similar to what was done with the tobacco industry.

History of mental illness? No guns for you.

No gun sales at gun shows.

Shut down avenues for selling of guns on secondary market.

I also like what I saw in Europe, where gun owners stored their rifles at a gun club or hunter's lodge, and signed them out for sport.

 

[pauldun170]

A separate license to purchase ammo, where registered individuals and sales are tracked at the federal level.
Private manufacturer of ammo will require additional registration and licensing.

 

[FIVR]

The only civilians who should be allowed to have guns are 1)Cops, who will be allowed to have semi-automatic handguns and rifles and 2) Hunters, who will be allowed to have bolt-action rifles and shotguns.

In order to obtain a hunting rifle the hunter will have to pass a background check, demonstrate some evidence that they actually are going to use the gun to hunt, and request a certain amount of ammunition needed for that specific hunt.

Nobody except cops or other law enforcement will be allowed to have more than 20 rounds of ammunition unless they demonstrate a specific need for it.

Handguns will be completely illegal for civilians.


Basically the same regulations as the UK except even more strict.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Limits on the capacity, firing rate, ammunition types and quantity of guns one person can own.

An annual qualification, licensing and registration process, something along the lines of motor vehicles.

Extensive buy back campaigns.

An advertising campaign that targets the gun industry similar to what was done with the tobacco industry.

History of mental illness? No guns for you.

No gun sales at gun shows.

Shut down avenues for selling of guns on secondary market.

I also like what I saw in Europe, where gun owners stored their rifles at a gun club or hunter's lodge, and signed them out for sport.

Most of that. The people calling for mental health checks are as delusional as those who think world peace can be achieved if we all join hands and sing like it's a Coke commercial. That's a total disconnect from reality. Too easy to get guns from relatives and straw purchases and too easy for mental problems to be un-diagnosed until it's too late. That's a solution with no teeth and no chance of success.


"Limits on the capacity, firing rate, ammunition types and quantity of guns one person can own."

That's the best start. We are not going to be able to control access to guns based on mental health, period. We need to control the amount of damage they can do. While not a perfect solution, 5 dead is better than 59 dead.

 

[Paratus]

I'm proceeding from the assumption that an outright ban is unconstitutional, that there is a benefit in certain scenarios to owning a weapon and that it's not likely possible to remove all weapons anyway.

My aim is to reduce accidental deaths/injuries and reduce deaths from violence.

• Remove congressional restrictions on studying the effects of gun violence
• Make accidental discharges a prosecutable crime (loss of weapons + possible jail time)
• Make negligence in storing the weapon a prosecutable crime (i.e. Junior gets a hold of Dads gun and takes it to school - loss of weapons + possible jail time)
• Automatic loss of all fire-arms for successful domestic abuse prosecution
• Automatic loss of all fire-arms if a court agrees to issue a restraining order against you (these two are the "don't beat your wife or you lose your guns" law)
• Devices that simulate automatic fire may only be used and stored at licensed ranges (this isn't a ban on rapid fire weapon modifications for people for two reasons: one these would only be owned by corporations which are of course people, and two I have it on good authority that semiautos can be fired very fast without them so there's no reason to get hung up on bump stocks like the NRA is doing)
• Doctors are free to remind gun owners to store their weapons properly
• Background checks for all gun purchases / transfers
• Mandatory waiting periods for all weapons.
• Magazine capacity limited to 10 rounds or less.

None of these should impact responsible gun owners. Keep your AR15. Just want gun owners to continue being responsible and there are very real consequences if they don't.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Limits on the capacity, firing rate, ammunition types and quantity of guns one person can own.

An annual qualification, licensing and registration process, something along the lines of motor vehicles.

Extensive buy back campaigns.

An advertising campaign that targets the gun industry similar to what was done with the tobacco industry.

History of mental illness? No guns for you.

No gun sales at gun shows.

Shut down avenues for selling of guns on secondary market.

I also like what I saw in Europe, where gun owners stored their rifles at a gun club or hunter's lodge, and signed them out for sport.

Most all of that seems very extreme to me.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I'm proceeding from the assumption that an outright ban is unconstitutional, that there is a benefit in certain scenarios to owning a weapon and that it's not likely possible to remove all weapons anyway.

My aim is to reduce accidental deaths/injuries and reduce deaths from violence.

• Remove congressional restrictions on studying the effects of gun violence
• Make accidental discharges a prosecutable crime (loss of weapons + possible jail time)
• Make negligence in storing the weapon a prosecutable crime (i.e. Junior gets a hold of Dads gun and takes it to school - loss of weapons + possible jail time)
• Automatic loss of all fire-arms for successful domestic abuse prosecution
• Automatic loss of all fire-arms if a court agrees to issue a restraining order against you (these two are the "don't beat your wife or you lose your guns" law)
• Devices that simulate automatic fire may only be used and stored at licensed ranges (this isn't a ban on rapid fire weapon modifications for people for two reasons: one these would only be owned by corporations which are of course people, and two I have it on good authority that semiautos can be fired very fast without them so there's no reason to get hung up on bump stocks like the NRA is doing)
• Doctors are free to remind gun owners to store their weapons properly
• Background checks for all gun purchases / transfers
• Mandatory waiting periods for all weapons.
• Magazine capacity limited to 10 rounds or less.

None of these should impact responsible gun owners. Keep your AR15. Just want gun owners to continue being responsible and there are very real consequences if they don't.

Great recommendations, I'd also like to see, along with the first point, an increase in funding via government toward general research in mental health, specifically in violent behavior.

 

[Bird222]

I could go for universal background checks if done right. Probably could go for a short waiting period to buy a gun. Don't care about studying gun deaths (actually it would probably be a good thing) or doctors talking to people about gun ownership.

After you look at this, you tell me how it makes sense to limit mag capacity or ban 'assault rifles'. We have a right to self defense regardless of the constitution. More folks need to understand that. Living in a free country has it's costs, but so far the freedom outweighs them.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The problem I have with waiting periods is that it has been tried before and didn't help. My state got rid of waiting periods a few years ago, the sky hasn't fallen.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...dence-waiting-period-handgun-purchases-reduc/

American Medical Association in 2000 examined the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, a 1994 federal law that established a nationwide waiting period and background check for handgun sales. (The waiting period provision was later removed.)

The study concluded that the law’s waiting period was associated with reductions in the firearm suicide rate for people age 55 and older, but not associated with reductions in homicide rates or overall suicide rates.

Other research has found that people who buy handguns are at a higher risk of committing suicide during the first week after the purchase. For example, an article published in 2000 by members of the Firearm Injury Center at the Medical College of Wisconsin said a Wisconsin study found a "sharp increase" in the risk of suicide within one week of a gun purchase.

But a 2003 report by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that reviewed studies on the effects of waiting periods on violence found that some studies indicated a decrease in violent outcomes associated with the delay, while others indicated an increase.

And a 2012 study by one researcher from the University of Cincinnati and another from Arizona State University found no statistical effects from waiting periods on gun crimes.

In a nutshell, except for suicide, the studies show Wanggaard’s claim about waiting periods and violence is largely correct.

 

[zinfamous]

Limits on the capacity, firing rate, ammunition types and quantity of guns one person can own.

An annual qualification, licensing and registration process, something along the lines of motor vehicles.

Extensive buy back campaigns.

An advertising campaign that targets the gun industry similar to what was done with the tobacco industry.

History of mental illness? No guns for you.

No gun sales at gun shows.

Shut down avenues for selling of guns on secondary market.

I also like what I saw in Europe, where gun owners stored their rifles at a gun club or hunter's lodge, and signed them out for sport.

I like this. And like gaghalfrunt, I find the suggestions of screening for mental health completely dubious, and also an intentional non-starter. There really is no rational way to define the type of person that actually does commit these terrorist acts as mentally unstable in such a way that they are going to murder people, well before that actually happens. But then the issue you have with tacking this onto mental health is that at some point, pretty much every one is going to sit on or near the spectrum where it can be argued that no one can own a gun.

I wonder if reinstating (well, introducing) a required national service period for everyone: be it military, peace corps, etc, for 1 or 2 years in whatever capacity (like Switzerland--where every male owns their personal rifle and kit for the defense of Switzerland, if so-required), which would include a service/personal development oriented training for all young citizens (you know, "boot camp light"), with weapons training and, likewise, a general personal and mental evaluation as part of that process that would be an ancillary benefit. Mandatory National Service is a different discussion entirely, but I think a large part of the problem that we are facing is individuals at those early cognitive stages are going through a period of directionless isolation. National service at the critical age, I think, could be a boost at many levels for our country, and the general mental-productive-social health of our citizens. Imagine all of those meth-addicted youths trapped in jobless, decrepit towns in Appalachia or the Rust Belt spending those years in service, learning actual life skills instead of falling into substance dependence. Imagine those minds having pride and goals, and actual skills, rather than being depressed to the point where they only response their self-preserving brains have to their lot in life is to elect a narcissistic fascist sociopath promising to fix all of their problems by destroying the evil immigrants (rather than sucking away their futures for personal profit, as he has been doing his entire life)

 

[zinfamous]

Most all of that seems very extreme to me.

That's because you are a gaslighted zealot that no longer has any rational concept of extreme, let alone neutral.

 

[Thebobo]

yes its these again.

NEW rules 3.2

• Ban all guns except registered pistols and real* hunting rifles.
• No large clips/magazines for pistols or rifles.
• One registered pistol and two registered hunting rifles per person. You get a title for each gun.
• Limit amount of ammunition you can purchase per month.
• Buy back programs for all guns, after 2 years it would be a felony to own an unregistered gun.
• No gun show selling.
• Private sales illegal. Buy back program will give you full retail price.
• No silencers
• No gun modifications "adapters" that increase amount of ammo or fire rate.
• No open carry on our streets at all period.
• No concealed carry unless you have a damn good reason.
• No immediate gun purchases.
• Complete background check.
• 10 day waiting list.
• I don't care if you're the Fabulous Toepperweins before you purchase a gun
you first have to take a firearm safety class.

 

[SlowSpyder]

That's because you are a gaslighted zealot that no longer has any rational concept of extreme, let alone neutral.

I could say the same about you. I understand most freedoms carry risks. Most of that stuff listed is far, far too aggressive and whittles away our rights. Not allowed to keep guns at homes? No sales at gun shows? Annual testing / licensing? Nope, won't have it.

 

[zinfamous]

I could say the same about you. I understand most freedoms carry risks. Most of that stuff listed is far, far too aggressive and whittles away our rights. Not allowed to keep guns at homes? No sales at gun shows? Annual testing / licensing? Nope, won't have it.

wow, annual testing and licensing is so bad? how is that? You scream and yell about how dangerous cars are compared to guns, and yet cars are so "freely available!" ...which isn't true, obviously, because these are the requirements for owning dangerous cars.

 

[Bird222]

yes its these again.

NEW rules 3.2

• Ban all guns except registered pistols and real* hunting rifles.
• No large clips/magazines for pistols or rifles.
• One registered pistol and two registered hunting rifles per person. You get a title for each gun.
• Limit amount of ammunition you can purchase per month.
• Buy back programs for all guns, after 2 years it would be a felony to own an unregistered gun.
• No gun show selling.
• Private sales illegal. Buy back program will give you full retail price.
• No silencers
• No gun modifications "adapters" that increase amount of ammo or fire rate.
• No open carry on our streets at all period.
• No concealed carry unless you have a damn good reason.
• No immediate gun purchases.
• Complete background check.
• 10 day waiting list.
• I don't care if you're the Fabulous Toepperweins before you purchase a gun
you first have to take a firearm safety class.

I think protecting myself from thugs is a good reason.

 

[spacejamz]

yes its these again.

NEW rules 3.2

• Ban all guns except registered pistols and real* hunting rifles.
• No large clips/magazines for pistols or rifles.
• One registered pistol and two registered hunting rifles per person. You get a title for each gun.
• Limit amount of ammunition you can purchase per month.
• Buy back programs for all guns, after 2 years it would be a felony to own an unregistered gun.
• No gun show selling.
• Private sales illegal. Buy back program will give you full retail price.
• No silencers
• No gun modifications "adapters" that increase amount of ammo or fire rate.
• No open carry on our streets at all period.
• No concealed carry unless you have a damn good reason.
• No immediate gun purchases.
• Complete background check.
• 10 day waiting list.
• I don't care if you're the Fabulous Toepperweins before you purchase a gun
you first have to take a firearm safety class.

Please explain how does this get the guns out of the hands of criminals and gang members? are they supposed to willingly give them up in a buy back program?

 

[SlowSpyder]

wow, annual testing and licensing is so bad? how is that? You scream and yell about how dangerous cars are compared to guns, and yet cars are so "freely available!" ...which isn't true, obviously, because these are the requirements for owning dangerous cars.

Because rights don't need testing and licensing. They stop being rights at that point.

And that is absolutely untrue. A license is legally required to drive on the roads, but one can go buy a car without a license (private sellers don't require your ID / license) and drive it away without a license.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think protecting myself from thugs is a good reason.

Yeh, that explains high capacity magazines & bump stocks entirely, right?

The truth is that if you can't defend yourself with the first few rounds then you've failed.

 

[Bird222]

Yeh, that explains high capacity magazines & bump stocks entirely, right?

The truth is that if you can't defend yourself with the first few rounds then you've failed.

Did you watch the video above?

Here's another video for ya. You think 10 rounds (especially considering you are going to miss with most of them) is enough for this? Think again.

 

[zinfamous]

Because rights don't need testing and licensing. They stop being rights at that point.

Uh, by who's "rule?" Can you explain the logic here?

 

[Genx87]

Yeh, that explains high capacity magazines & bump stocks entirely, right?

The truth is that if you can't defend yourself with the first few rounds then you've failed.

How many gun violence deaths are attributed to high capacity magazines and bump stocks? In the history of gun violence? These things you propose will do little to stop a lone wolf. They will do little to stop gun violence in general.

The truth is you don't know how many rounds it takes to stop a threat in any given scenario. You can deliver all the smarmy responses in the world, won't change that fact.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Uh, by who's "rule?" Can you explain the logic here?

By definition of what a right is, when the word is used as a noun. Anything that requires license is not a right.