What are your ideas for gun control?

[TheVrolok]

Limits on the capacity, firing rate, ammunition types and quantity of guns one person can own.

An annual qualification, licensing and registration process, something along the lines of motor vehicles.

Extensive buy back campaigns.

An advertising campaign that targets the gun industry similar to what was done with the tobacco industry.

History of mental illness? No guns for you.

No gun sales at gun shows.

Shut down avenues for selling of guns on secondary market.

I also like what I saw in Europe, where gun owners stored their rifles at a gun club or hunter's lodge, and signed them out for sport.

I echo most of this with the addition of insurance in the event of damages caused by the firearms.

 

[zinfamous]

By definition of what a right is, when the word is used as a noun. Anything that requires license is not a right.

Cool, so we're done with the whole voter ID nonsense, right? Please forward your discovery to your GOP handlers, post-haste.

 

[spacejamz]

Uh, by who's "rule?" Can you explain the logic here?

with that logic, you should need a license to vote then...after all, look at the all the damage the liberals here keep claiming were caused by trump voters...LOL

how would your testing and licenses be paid for? if you are requiring the gun owners to pay for it, how would that not be equivalent to a poll tax?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Cool, so we're done with the whole voter ID nonsense, right? Please forward your discovery to your GOP handlers, post-haste.

I am not a Republican, I'm just pro-2A. Stop making partisan assumptions.

 

[pmv]

with that logic, you should need a license to vote then...after all, look at the all the damage the liberals here keep claiming were caused by trump voters...LOL

how would your testing and licenses be paid for? if you are requiring the gun owners to pay for it, how would that not be equivalent to a poll tax?

Well that's different because the US does not recognise the right to vote. It's not in the Constitution and of course huge swathes of the population are not allowed to vote, so it's clearly not a 'right' anyway.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

By definition of what a right is, when the word is used as a noun. Anything that requires license is not a right.

In the real world a right is whatever the law says it is at any given time. And since the law changes constantly, so do rights.

 

[pmv]

By definition of what a right is, when the word is used as a noun. Anything that requires license is not a right.

Well that's one of the problems with the whole concept of 'rights'. Most rights are hedged with exceptions and qualifications, why should this one be any different?

(You have the right to life...but the state still can legally kill you. You have the right to free speech...unless exercising it conflicts with higher priorities, such as private property rights...you have the right to free movement...unless someone claims ownership of the land...you have the right to vote...except you don't, really, as the state decides if you are allowed to or not...and so on)

 

[SlowSpyder]

Well that's different because the US does not recognise the right to vote. It's not in the Constitution and of course huge swathes of the population are not allowed to vote, so it's clearly not a 'right' anyway.

The exact language in the constitution says, "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged..."

 

[NAC4EV]

yes its these again.

NEW rules 3.2

• Ban all guns except registered pistols and real* hunting rifles.
• No large clips/magazines for pistols or rifles.
• One registered pistol and two registered hunting rifles per person. You get a title for each gun.
• Limit amount of ammunition you can purchase per month.
• Buy back programs for all guns, after 2 years it would be a felony to own an unregistered gun.
• No gun show selling.
• Private sales illegal. Buy back program will give you full retail price.
• No silencers
• No gun modifications "adapters" that increase amount of ammo or fire rate.
• No open carry on our streets at all period.
• No concealed carry unless you have a damn good reason.
• No immediate gun purchases.
• Complete background check.
• 10 day waiting list.
• I don't care if you're the Fabulous Toepperweins before you purchase a gun
you first have to take a firearm safety class.

Nothing is going to change.

Americans love their guns more than people, and that prevents them from passing sensible gun control laws.
A classroom full of dead kids couldn't change their hearts.
After Sandy Hook, the gun control debate is over.


We should all expect the next mass shooting.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Well that's one of the problems with the whole concept of 'rights'. Most rights are hedged with exceptions and qualifications, why should this one be any different?

(You have the right to life...but the state still can legally kill you. You have the right to free speech...unless exercising it conflicts with higher priorities, such as private property rights...you have the right to free movement...unless someone claims ownership of the land...you have the right to vote...except you don't, really, as the state decides if you are allowed to or not...and so on)

Which of those requires license and annual testing? Freedom of movement unless someone owns the land... kind of a stretch, no?

The constitution doesn't grant rights, it codifies rights the authors felt are inalienable to all.

 

[zinfamous]

The exact language in the constitution says, "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged..."

and how has that been working out?

 

[bshole]

The best solution is a technological one which would prevent the gun from firing if a human was targeted.

 

[Bird222]

In the real world a right is whatever the law says it is at any given time. And since the law changes constantly, so do rights.

Sorry but my right to self-defense doesn't change with laws.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The best solution is a technological one which would prevent the gun from firing if a human was targeted.

OK. Someone attacks you or another with intent do do willful bodily harm. You have a firearm in your possession. Now what?

 

[bshole]

OK. Someone attacks you or another with intent do do willful bodily harm. You have a firearm in your possession. Now what?

You hit him over the head with it or call the cops. That was easy.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

OK. Someone attacks you or another with intent do do willful bodily harm. You have a firearm in your possession. Now what?

You fire it, because you built a pipe gun for $30 due to government overreach on standard firearms?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You hit him over the head with it or call the cops. That was easy.

That's nice. You may be dead but it's nice.

The police are useful in removing bodies.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Sorry but my right to self-defense doesn't change with laws.

Sure as hell does. Try carrying a sawed off shotgun into a post office or a school, see what that gets you.

Your right to self defense is 100% mutable and has changed dozens of times over the years. The weapons you can use change, the places you're allowed to carry them change and the circumstances that differentiate "self defense" from "murder" change too. WTF planet do you think you're living on?

 

[bshole]

You fire it, because you built a pipe gun for $30 due to government overreach on standard firearms?

I would encourage gun owners to please do this. Build your pipe guns. Go and shoot them in ranges as much as possible. I figure that action alone should cull a percentage point or two of the gun nutters out of the general population (or at least cripple them a bit).

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You fire it, because you built a pipe gun for $30 due to government overreach on standard firearms?

What I do would depend on the situation. I follow one of Gibbs rules, always carry a knife. That would be a Spyderco Paramilitary 2. I've carried a knife since the age of 6 when my grandfather bought me one. It's a handy tool. Defense is a far second in consideration.

If I'm going someplace that is sketchy I have the Para 2 in my left pocket and a Fox folding karambit in my right. The Emerson Wave is a nice feature. Yes I know how to uses them defensively. I don't carry firearms. Don't need to.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I would encourage gun owners to please do this. Build your pipe guns. Go and shoot them in ranges as much as possible. I figure that action alone should cull a percentage point or two of the gun nutters out of the general population (or at least cripple them a bit).

Are you encouraging the removal of people you don't like/agree with from the general populace, for no other reason than you don't like/agree with them?

Just curious.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

What I do would depend on the situation. I follow one of Gibbs rules, always carry a knife. That would be a Spyderco Paramilitary 2. I've carried a knife since the age of 6 when my grandfather bought me one. It's a handy tool. Defense is a far second in consideration.

If I'm going someplace that is sketchy I have the Para 2 in my left pocket and a Fox folding karambit in my right. The Emerson Wave is a nice feature. Yes I know how to uses them defensively. I don't carry firearms. Don't need to.

Yeah, original query was asking what to do in a situation where you need a gun in self defense, but guns don't work when pointed at people. I cheated the Kobiyashi Maru.

 

[Bird222]

Sure as hell does. Try carrying a sawed off shotgun into a post office or a school, see what that gets you.

Your right to self defense is 100% mutable and has changed dozens of times over the years. The weapons you can use change, the places you're allowed to carry them change and the circumstances that differentiate "self defense" from "murder" change too. WTF planet do you think you're living on?

No my right always exists. Now some entity may prevent me from exercising it but it is always there. Just like a murderer may stop someone from living but that doesn't mean that person didn't have a right to life.

 

[bshole]

That's nice. You may be dead but it's nice.

The police are useful in removing bodies.

You realize that if you have a 24hour body guard, you are infinitely safer than if you have a gun. Failing that, a guard dog is better than a gun. There are options out there...

My solution would give you access to a gun. I could modify my solution to allow you up to 3 human targets before turning off...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I would encourage gun owners to please do this. Build your pipe guns. Go and shoot them in ranges as much as possible. I figure that action alone should cull a percentage point or two of the gun nutters out of the general population (or at least cripple them a bit).

Yeah, original query was asking what to do in a situation where you need a gun in self defense, but guns don't work when pointed at people. I cheated the Kobiyashi Maru.

That's fair enough.

Some people pretend that bad things won't happen to them or loved ones and some imagine that just going to get a quart of milk in most neighborhoods is likely to be risky.

Well, no.