What are you willing to pay for fuel?

[dullard]

Ignoring the obvious flaws in the premise of this thread, we can do the calculation.

We have spent ~$94 billion/year there. There are ~130 million tax payers. Thus, $719/year for each and every taxpayer. True, some tax payers pay less and others pay more, but I'll just post using that $719 number. It is probably a fairly accurate description of the amount of my taxes going to Iraq each year.

I don't drive much (9857 miles/year average), and I have a fuel efficient car (2002 Civic, 29.9 MPG average). Thus, I use 330 gallons/year. True, many people use more than that, but I'm posting about myself.

Thus, if the Iraq war ended now, I'd save $719/year. I'd be just as well off if the gas price rose by an additional $2.18/gallon because then I'd spend $719/year more on gas. That would put gas at $2.18+$2.19 = $4.37/gallon today.

Of course, this doesn't include the intangibles, I'd be willing to pay a bit more than that to cover all the other benefits we'd gain by leaving Iraq.

 

[kingtas]

Allies in the middle east? Ally today - Sworn enemy tomorrow, is more like it.

Who do you really consider to be our allies in the middle east?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S oil imports July 2006: Thousands of barrels per day:

CANADA 1,624
MEXICO 1,561
SAUDI ARABIA 1,264
VENEZUELA 1,191
NIGERIA 1,014
ANGOLA 666
IRAQ 592
Algeria 413
United Kingdom 229
Brazil 187
Ecuador 170
Norway 160
Kuwait 155
Colombia 144
Russia 134

& our other oil comes from our very own soil ... U.S pumps out around 8,000,000 bpd (8,000 - vs. above)

Fire up the draft, invade and take over every one of those Countries.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: kingtas
Allies in the middle east? Ally today - Sworn enemy tomorrow, is more like it.

Who do you really consider to be our allies in the middle east?

I think not.
Do you have anything to back that statement up?

Maybe we shouldn't take generous donations from Kuwait.. who I believe donated 500 million for Katrina while every other country donated like 1 million or less.

Yes Kuwait is def. our enemy.

so you all say stop buying M.E oil... that M.E oil gave Katrina victims 500 million.
Think about that before the rambling starts again.

 

[kingtas]

How about Iran and Iraq.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: kingtas
How about Iran and Iraq.

Iran hasn't been our ally for over 25 years.
We do not buy oil from Iran. Iran is not even a major oil exporter.
They produce 4mpd and they use up 2mpd, thus exporting only 2mbpd.
The fears of war with Iran and oil prices are brought up by politicians who don't know squat.

Iraq is going to become a democracy. The U.S is not going to leave Iraq without knowing for a fact it can hold a steady government. So, therefore Iraq will be a friend of the U.S.
Even so, the amount of oil with get from Iraq is minimal and if it were cut it would barely make a dent.

 

[kingtas]

Do you really believe Iraq will remain a democracy once we leave the country?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: kingtas
Do you really believe Iraq will remain a democracy once we are leave the country?

I dont think we are leaving

If we leave we killed our boys for nothing.

 

[kingtas]

That is a sad.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: kingtas
Do you really believe Iraq will remain a democracy once we are leave the country?

I dont think we are leaving

If we leave we killed our boys for nothing.

We killed our boys for nothing anyways. Killing more does nothing either. Using a mistake as a reason for justifying another mistakes makes little sense.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: martinez

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think I?d rather be the power in the ME instead of some other country that we can?t trust to act in the best interest of the world.

Yeah, heaven forbid a country that adhered to International law was in power somewhere.

Other than Israel name a ME country that follows international law and has a good human rights record.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Aimster


Even so, the amount of oil with get from Iraq is minimal and if it were cut it would barely make a dent.

You are fooling yourself. Forget the idea of "we don't get oil from.." Iraq sits on 1/3-1/4 of the worlds oil reserves. you think that is insignificant? WTF do you think the world and the US has any interest in the region? We don't give a fck about spreading democracy, we care about creating and maintaining stable cheap oil supplies.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Aimster


Even so, the amount of oil with get from Iraq is minimal and if it were cut it would barely make a dent.

You are fooling yourself. Forget the idea of "we don't get oil from.." Iraq sits on 1/3-1/4 of the worlds oil reserves. you think that is insignificant? WTF do you think the world and the US has any interest in the region? We don't give a fck about spreading democracy, we care about creating and maintaining stable cheap oil supplies.

Correct me if I am wrong, but even if we get all our oil from Iraq we will still be paying the market price for the oil. The oil belongs to Iraq and not the U.S.

It doesn't benefit anyone except Iraq. The U.S has a steady supply of oil. So what difference does it matter where we get it from if we are still paying the same price?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: kingtas
How about Iran and Iraq.

Iran hasn't been our ally for over 25 years.
We do not buy oil from Iran. Iran is not even a major oil exporter.
They produce 4mpd and they use up 2mpd, thus exporting only 2mbpd.
The fears of war with Iran and oil prices are brought up by politicians who don't know squat.

Iraq is going to become a democracy. The U.S is not going to leave Iraq without knowing for a fact it can hold a steady government. So, therefore Iraq will be a friend of the U.S.
Even so, the amount of oil with get from Iraq is minimal and if it were cut it would barely make a dent.

The cut in oil coming here from Iraq would push oil prices through the roof...It would be more than just a dent.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: kingtas
How about Iran and Iraq.

Iran hasn't been our ally for over 25 years.
We do not buy oil from Iran. Iran is not even a major oil exporter.
They produce 4mpd and they use up 2mpd, thus exporting only 2mbpd.
The fears of war with Iran and oil prices are brought up by politicians who don't know squat.

Iraq is going to become a democracy. The U.S is not going to leave Iraq without knowing for a fact it can hold a steady government. So, therefore Iraq will be a friend of the U.S.
Even so, the amount of oil with get from Iraq is minimal and if it were cut it would barely make a dent.

The cut in oil coming here from Iraq would push oil prices through the roof...It would be more than just a dent.

The situation in Alaska didn't change oil prices and I believe that is identical to the amount of oil we receieve from Iraq.

The situation I am talking about is the company in Alaska cutting off oil output because of bad pipes.