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what are you think about muslim religion

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Indus said:
Islam is guilty of more ethnic cleansing than any other religion.

How do you think Islam spread? It wasn't through preaching, it was by extermination.

So the notion that it's a religion of peace is the biggest farce ever.

If you don't believe me, look at the victims all over the world. From San Bernadino, Washington, New York, Paris, Syria, Iraq, India, Thailand, Bali, Australia.

Sadly christianity is not far behind but at least they've amended their ways.
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Are you trolling or are you truly that stupid? Christianity is STILL involved in ethnic cleansing, look up the Vatican's role in Rwanda and the Central Africa Republic. While you were typing that mindless drivel Christianity was involved in ethnic cleansing. While I'm typing this Christianity is involved in ethnic cleansing and when you're reading this Christianity will be actively involved in ethnic cleaning. They'll be involved in ethnic cleansing tomorrow and next week and next month. And for that matter, look what Christian missionaries are doing in the Pacific Islands forcing indigenous cultures to convert. From day 1 of the invention of Christianity it has spread at the point of a sword and a spear. It got taken to Europe by the Roman legions who forced the people they conquered to convert or die. They have most definitely not amended their ways, they just rely on people like you who are too clueless to realize they're still doing it. The biggest farce ever is that since this is a predominantly Christian country the media spins everything that the Jesus-freaks are the good guys and the Muslims are the dirty violent criminals. Christianity is the dirtiest, most vile, most violent religion of them all. Islam is #2 and nothing else even comes close.


This isn't a secret. The four greatest examples of modern genocide, of ethnic cleansing in the last 20-25 years have been Bosnia, Rwanda, The Central African Republic and the cultural genocide committed against tribes on islands in the South Pacific. Christianity is the perpetrator in ALL of them.
 
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"belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.”
Thomas Paine -- "A letter: being an answer to a friend, on the publication of The age of reason." Paris; May 12, 1797.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
Are you trolling or are you truly that stupid? Christianity is STILL involved in ethnic cleansing, look up the Vatican's role in Rwanda and the Central Africa Republic. While you were typing that mindless drivel Christianity was involved in ethnic cleansing. While I'm typing this Christianity is involved in ethnic cleansing and when you're reading this Christianity will be actively involved in ethnic cleaning. They'll be involved in ethnic cleansing tomorrow and next week and next month. And for that matter, look what Christian missionaries are doing in the Pacific Islands forcing indigenous cultures to convert. From day 1 of the invention of Christianity it has spread at the point of a sword and a spear. It got taken to Europe by the Roman legions who forced the people they conquered to convert or die. They have most definitely not amended their ways, they just rely on people like you who are too clueless to realize they're still doing it. The biggest farce ever is that since this is a predominantly Christian country the media spins everything that the Jesus-freaks are the good guys and the Muslims are the dirty violent criminals. Christianity is the dirtiest, most vile, most violent religion of them all. Islam is #2 and nothing else even comes close.
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I'm glad that we've got really intelligent people like you to enlighten us. Praise Ramen!
 
warrior_within said:
i am not christian i am muslim
i think christian religion wrong

Folks, this was moved here from OT. The OP seems to be legit, his IP is from Turkey, he says he is Kurdish and, yes, his English isn't all that good. Please try to keep this incendiary topic, rather inelegantly expressed in the OP, as civil as possible.

Perknose
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atatürk
Since you are from Turkey, rather than framing the question in christian vs Muslim how about asking yourself can you have the same separation of religion from state and freedom of speech that the west enjoys when it finally decided to throw of the shackles of theocracy,

because that is what allowed the western world to move forward and precisely why Ataturk tried to emulate it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atatürk

In the years following 1926, Mustafa Kemal introduced a radical departure from previous reformations established by the Ottoman Empire.[95] For the first time in history, Islamic law was separated from secular law, and restricted to matters of religion.[95] Mustafa Kemal said:
We must liberate our concepts of justice, our laws and our legal institutions from the bonds which, even though they are incompatible with the needs of our century, still hold a tight grip on us.[96]
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On 1 March 1926, the Turkish penal code was passed. It was modelled after the Italian Penal Code. On 4 October 1926, Islamic courts were closed. Establishing the civic law needed time, so Mustafa Kemal delayed the inclusion of the principle of laïcité until 5 February 1937.


Ottoman practice discouraged social interaction between men and women in keeping with Islamic practice of sex segregation. Mustafa Kemal began developing social reforms very early, as was evident in his personal journal. He and his staff discussed issues like abolishing the veiling of women and the integration of women into the outside world. The clue on how he was planning to tackle the issue was stated in his journal on November 1915:
The social change can come by (1) educating capable mothers who are knowledgeable about life; (2) giving freedom to women; (3) a man can change his morals, thoughts, and feelings by leading a common life with a woman; as there is an inborn tendency towards the attraction of mutual affection.[97]
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Mustafa Kemal needed a new civil code to establish his second major step of giving freedom to women. The first part was the education of girls and was established with the unification of education. On 4 October 1926, the new Turkish civil code passed. It was modelled after the Swiss Civil Code. Under the new code, women gained equality with men in such matters as inheritance and divorce. Mustafa Kemal did not consider gender a factor in social organization. According to his view, society marched towards its goal with men and women united. He believed that it was scientifically impossible for him to achieve progress and to become civilized if the gender separation continued as in Ottoman times.[98] During a meeting he declaimed:
To the women: Win for us the battle of education and you will do yet more for your country than we have been able to do. It is to you that I appeal.
To the men: If henceforward the women do not share in the social life of the nation, we shall never attain to our full development. We shall remain irremediably backward, incapable of treating on equal terms with the civilizations of the West.[99]​
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Most important question is how do you expect to move forward if you are constantly looking backwards to the very religious beliefs that held you there in the first place?
 
Also; this is what the OP's statement looks like to me:

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Full res Tree: http://funki.com.ua/ru/portfolio/lab/world-religions-tree/
 
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Much of what you're referring to is the product of Catholicism, a religious branch of Christianity and not Christianity as a whole. Not disagreeing with you about the slaughtering bit. But in terms of what's going on in Africa, some of that is as much tribal / political as religious. And let's not forget that Muslim groups are engaging in their own version of this in that part of the world as well. In fact, the Muslim groups in Africa are making ISIS look like the JV team that Obama claims them to be. It's a bloody mess - literally. 🙁

And your comment about Christianity being spread by the point of the sword from day one is completely false. If you were even remotely cognizant of history you'd know that until Constantine came along, the Roman empire on many occasions, brutally oppressed Christians. The Christians didn't go storming out of Israel hacking and pillaging their way into Asia Minor, North Africa, India, and Europe. For the first 2-3 centuries, Christianity spread in spite of persecution, not spreading by persecution of non believers.

GagHalfrunt said:
Are you trolling or are you truly that stupid? Christianity is STILL involved in ethnic cleansing, look up the Vatican's role in Rwanda and the Central Africa Republic. While you were typing that mindless drivel Christianity was involved in ethnic cleansing. While I'm typing this Christianity is involved in ethnic cleansing and when you're reading this Christianity will be actively involved in ethnic cleaning. They'll be involved in ethnic cleansing tomorrow and next week and next month. And for that matter, look what Christian missionaries are doing in the Pacific Islands forcing indigenous cultures to convert. From day 1 of the invention of Christianity it has spread at the point of a sword and a spear. It got taken to Europe by the Roman legions who forced the people they conquered to convert or die. They have most definitely not amended their ways, they just rely on people like you who are too clueless to realize they're still doing it. The biggest farce ever is that since this is a predominantly Christian country the media spins everything that the Jesus-freaks are the good guys and the Muslims are the dirty violent criminals. Christianity is the dirtiest, most vile, most violent religion of them all. Islam is #2 and nothing else even comes close.


This isn't a secret. The four greatest examples of modern genocide, of ethnic cleansing in the last 20-25 years have been Bosnia, Rwanda, The Central African Republic and the cultural genocide committed against tribes on islands in the South Pacific. Christianity is the perpetrator in ALL of them.
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Harabec said:
All we are is dust in the wind. Whatever civillization that remains thousands of years from now will laugh at us.
Instead of wasting time telling people they're wrong, experience life in any way you can and make the most out of your short time here.
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Well said.
 
There is only love. If your religion brings that realization you have used it in the way it was intended. If not, you have failed your religion. Many use religions to help you fail.
 
Koran 5:33 needs to be altered and all other verses that preach taking up the sword against non-believers needs to be altered before the rest of the world will take your Koran seriously.
 
FerrelGeek said:
Much of what you're referring to is the product of Catholicism, a religious branch of Christianity and not Christianity as a whole. Not disagreeing with you about the slaughtering bit. But in terms of what's going on in Africa, some of that is as much tribal / political as religious. And let's not forget that Muslim groups are engaging in their own version of this in that part of the world as well. In fact, the Muslim groups in Africa are making ISIS look like the JV team that Obama claims them to be. It's a bloody mess - literally. 🙁

And your comment about Christianity being spread by the point of the sword from day one is completely false. If you were even remotely cognizant of history you'd know that until Constantine came along, the Roman empire on many occasions, brutally oppressed Christians. The Christians didn't go storming out of Israel hacking and pillaging their way into Asia Minor, North Africa, India, and Europe. For the first 2-3 centuries, Christianity spread in spite of persecution, not spreading by persecution of non believers.
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For two to three centuries spread almost not at all. It was a pagan tribal religion of the ignorant, it was the same stories of the same fictional gods that had percolated through that region for thousands of years. It was the life story of Dionysus, Balder, Horus, Zoroaster, Mithras, Attas of Phyrgia and about a dozen other lesser gods who had essentially the same life story. Constantine getting hooked is what I, and many historians view as the real birth of Christianity and it's what I refer to as "Day 1". Not day 1 of the Julian calendar, Day 1 of Constantine seizing control of Christianity. It didn't exist as a codified religion before him, every tribe had their own myths and legends that they believed and no two were alike. Depending on region and influence some Jesus myths were closer to the Horus myth from which they were stolen, some were closer to the Dionysus myth from which they were stolen, some were closer to the Mithras myth from which they were stolen, etc etc. Constantine found that intolerable. He couldn't control the religion if it was 100 individual religions, so he essentially forced the tribes to get together and settle on a single story which he could then control and monetize. The Bible was invented because Constantine demanded it. The first council of Nicea met in 300-someodd AD and a bunch of people who were less educated than the green stuff growing in the grout in my bathroom passed the bible like the US Congress passes a farm subsidy bill. They sat around and they voted on what they would choose to believe as the word of god. "I'll give you the loaves and fishes story if you give me the no gays thing, deal?" and thus, the greatest religious hoax ever achieved was born. They settled on a single story and Constantine put the weight of the Roman empire and the might of the Roman army into forcing everyone to believe that story. Modern Christianity spread at sword point from Day 1, once it was formalized by Constantine it became mandatory, not optional. Where Rome's influence reached Christianity spread like the virus it is.
 
warrior_within said:
i am not christian i am muslim
i think christian religion wrong

Folks, this was moved here from OT. The OP seems to be legit, his IP is from Turkey, he says he is Kurdish and, yes, his English isn't all that good. Please try to keep this incendiary topic, rather inelegantly expressed in the OP, as civil as possible.

Perknose
Forum Director.
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It's the most violent and least progressive "religion" on the planet, by far. Which make the idiot liberals who fall more in love with Islam with every suicide bomb that goes off especially stupid.
 
Roflmouth said:
It's the most violent and least progressive "religion" on the planet, by far. Which make the idiot liberals who fall more in love with Islam with every suicide bomb that goes off especially stupid.
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When Trump becomes the new President then Muslims will live in fear. The day of reckoning is coming soon.
 
Religion is like (any other) opinion.

Keep it to yourself unless asked, and there won't be a problem.


Roflmouth said:
It's the most violent and least progressive "religion" on the planet, by far. Which make the idiot liberals who fall more in love with Islam with every suicide bomb that goes off especially stupid.
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Libruuuls aren't in love with Islam.

Like we do for every other minority group that is often targeted for hatred and violence, we stand with them.
 
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SP33Demon said:
Koran 5:33 needs to be altered and all other verses that preach taking up the sword against non-believers needs to be altered before the rest of the world will take your Koran seriously.
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Have you read the bible? The only difference is that most Christians pick and choose which versus they take literally and which parts of the "word of God" that they completely ignore. I'm not hating on them at all, kudos to them for figuring out it's bullshit even if it is one or two versus at a time.
 
Darwin333 said:
Have you read the bible? The only difference is that most Christians pick and choose which versus they take literally and which parts of the "word of God" that they completely ignore. I'm not hating on them at all, kudos to them for figuring out it's bullshit even if it is one or two versus at a time.
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I think it's a matter of, centuries ago, having good people take power within the Christian lands. They cut out as much of the violence as they could, and used that to reform and progress their people. To move beyond the base animal we acted as at the time.

Not everyone shared in that reform. And it can in fact regress backwards in troubled times. When humanity finds a moral compass... it needs to cherish those values, lest they forget their way and return to practicing medieval violence on one another. Not just on the streets but as sanctioned and approved by governing bodies as well.

With today's technology, maybe it would not have been possible for Western leaders to find that better path. To disguise their intent from opposition, or to have time and distance to teach entire generations moral values. Today's fast travel and instant communications has enabled iron curtains like never before, and from that good people may be crushed all the easier. Maybe humans weren't ready for the power at our disposal in the 20th century.

But at least with communication the way it is... we have a chance to find that better path together. Maybe next time we can make it count.
 
Darwin333 said:
Have you read the bible? The only difference is that most Christians pick and choose which versus they take literally and which parts of the "word of God" that they completely ignore. I'm not hating on them at all, kudos to them for figuring out it's bullshit even if it is one or two versus at a time.
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Yes. Precisely why "amending" any scripture is not the key to changing the behavior of religious people as SP33Demon suggests. Both of these religions have the same scriptures - more or less - than they did 1,000 years ago. Yet the behaviors change, for bad or good, over time. Like you said, because people pick and choose. When a scriptural edict is out of date for the times, the edict is just reinterpreted. Muslim scripture doesn't need to change. The backward culture needs to change.
 
pcgeek11 said:
i am not muslim i am christian

i think muslim religion wrong

Baseball has been bely bely good to me.
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What is wrong? 😉

Who beheads more people, Christians or Muslims?

Who declares jihad on infidels, Christians or Muslims?

Who treats women worse, Christians or Muslims?

Who treats gay people worse, Christians or Muslims?

Who drops many people in cages into the water to drown, Christians or Muslims?

Who detonates themselves more often in crowded places, Christians or Muslims?

Who stones more rape victims, Christians or Muslims?

Who kills more of their own children, as honor killings, Christians or Muslims?

Who have brought down more aircraft, via on board explosives, Christians or Muslims?

Being Muslim is a religion, not a race. The Quran is more a doctrine of hate, murder and war, than it is of peace. The Christian bible doesn't promise 72 virgins for martyrdom and killing infidels.

Yes, there are many peace loving Muslims living among us, some are friends of mine, but I question how devout they are, because a true Muslim will follow that book and it's commands for action, that do not seem all that peaceful to me.

Finally, I feel that if someone is going to start a thread asking these kinds of questions, one must be prepared for the answers they are going to get. Radicalized Muslim extremism should never be allowed to propagate in our country, it should be checked at the door.
 
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