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What are the key factors in our political system today?

This is a tricky topic - it's so big and subjective, but I think it's important.

There's the textbook version of our political system, that every voter is a rational island making decisions and voting - that fails greatly to describe how things really work.

For one of the classic books on the idea which will convince you of this, read Walter Lipmann's "Public Opinion", far ahead of its time.

Here are some of the key elements I see in our political system:

- Fear. Included in this is the feeling Americans have, at least subconsciously, that most of the world lives in poverty and squalor, and even the other industrialized nations are below our standard of living, and people are not wanting the US to make any changes which would put the US into the same situation. This creates an underlying pressure to all political views that it's ok for the US to play by different rules - lest it sink to the rest of the world's standard of living. People don't even realize they think this way usually, IMO.

Unfortunately, this sets the stage for irrational, selfish policies which alienate the world and fail to take into account later generations, and an insatiable appetite for 'security'.

- Ideologies. There's an old joke about people who say everyone else has an accent but them. Similarly, Americans think that there is no 'American ideology' but that of love of freedom and justice. They are unaware of the fact that they are some of the more ideological people in the world.

For example, a significant amount of 'free market' ideology the American people have now which they think of merely as their own view has actually been fed to them through a very intentional effort over decades, which has created major shift in the public attitude on those issues - beginning in part with an important memo, a battle plan for the right wing, which began the modern 'vast right-wing conspiracy' as we know it today, which probably fewer than 10% of this forum has heard of, written by Lewis Powell two months before Nixon appointed him to the Supreme Court. The memo set out the plan for a long-term coordination of 'educating' the public to pro-corporate views, using the vast resources of business, the media, and the courts.

For more info on the Powell memo, read this and this; then the actual memo.

You can read more on the right-wing media in the exposes of a former insider, and you can debunk once and for all the liberal media myth at this link.

Reading the foreign press, seeing the US listed as the #1 threat to world peace by even allies, are clues usually ignored by the American people that there are other views.

The power of ideology has begun to be documented by science recently, actually afffecting how the brain functions.

People hear a name like 'Michael Moore' and their brain actually turns off reason and turns on the emotional area that generates rage against him. That's not the 'rational voter'.

- Money. Say you are an ultra wealthy person, and you are not satisfied with merely having a thousand times more than the typical American - you would like even more, to the point that the average American has to give up half the wealth they'd have for you to have more, and yet this pesky thing called democracy means they can vote in leaders who prevent you from those government policies. How do you get people to vote against their own interest?

It's amazing what some money can do. Young writers can writer for nearly free for publications they believe in - but the right-wing publicans are better funded, better paying, and there's a large network for its members to get referrals to better-paying opportunities as careers, while the liberals are making much less. It's your choice, but the contrast has an impact on how much right-wing content is available.

Similarly, how many people can work for free or little at liberal think tanks? Money pays for the biggest think tanks in the world, the right-wing ones.

But even more importantly, to have more political power than others, you make the system require money, pay to play, giving you the control, over the average American.

"Politicians have to do good for their donors, and look good to the voters" is one of the most useful sayings for American politics. You're either the guy paying the bill and getting the goodies, or you're the guy getting screwed but told how nice it feels, on the receiving end of the policies for those who pay the bills.

The facts don't lie. CEO pay up ten times after inflation while 80% of Americans have had no raise after inflation for 25 years, the top 5% going from 50% to 75% of the wealth...

We're on the verge of the US having only one political party, with two factions the way Coke 'competes' with Diet Coke - all the profits go to the same bucket.

- Media consolidation. Happening more from a lack of societal concern and regulation than conspiracy, nonetheless the media - the only real check on the powerful for the public to know what's happening - are consolidating inro corporate behemoths who aren't about to report on the corporate problems and stir up any resistance. It was considered a crisis when the classic "The Media Monopoly" reported that 50 corporations controlled nearly all of the American media; now the number is five.

It's been said that every successful political movement in history has had to create its own media. That seems true today as well, with liberal publications, documentaries, etc.

- Ignorance. People are busy; people have more entertainment available now than in the history of mankind, by far.

Here's my diet of information, if I had the time - who can?

+ read one or more newspapers
+ read magazines, including Harper's, The Atlantic Monthly, Jim Hightower's Lowdown, The Progressive, The Nation
+ Radio: Air America type hosts such as Thom Hartmann (9-12), Ed Schultz (2-5), and local hosts such as Bernie Ward (10PM - 1AM), and Ray Taliafaro (1AM - 5AM)
+ Books: I have dozens of important books waiting to be read
+ Web: Salon.com, Huffingtonpost.com, Democratic Underground, commondreams.org, and several others
+ TV: Frontline, NOW, 60 Minutes, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, The Colbert Report...
+ Documentaries
+ Local democratic and moveon.org and Congressional Town Hall meetings
+ Oh ya, and writing a 90 minute post on a message board like this.

The public is largely unaware of the political issues.

They are simply marketed to and told to pay their taxes; their anger over the misused taxes is used against them, aimed at the wrong places, such as liberals.

(The right wing trains the public to equate a dollar in tax used for waste such as a corporate subsidy with a dollar used for the good of the nation).

- Empire. For better or worse, the United States has its needs, and these are often needing to be disguised to the well-meaning public as ruthless policies are enacted.

- Organization. The wealthy, the corporate interests, are far better organized than the public, which is largely uncoordinated - manipulated through division with 'wedge issues'.

I think these are some of the major factors in our political system today. They aren't really in the textbooks or on the evening news, but they are important.

I think it's important the public get more informed and organize, just as the progressive movement was needed at the turn of the 20th century, and FDR was needed.

How do we do this? Fund the 'good guys' (buy at Costco, not Wal-Mart); help build the liberal media by buying the products; spread the word with less informed friends...

Join liberal groups (Moveon), buy good books (and give them as gifts)... participate in your community's communications (meetings, papers, call-in shows)...

Little things, but important for the majority to reclaim its democratic power and keep society balanced before the US fails as a liberal democracy and becomes feudalistic.

One of my favorites: women, only sleep with liberals.🙂

Some specific things you can push for:

+ Ask your leaders to fight the domination of the political system by special interest money, any way they can.

+ Push for the return of the fairness doctrine and accountability of the broadcast media to provide public interest programming.

+ Fight for public broadcasting.

+Boycott sponsors of irresponsible programming and tell them you did.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234

- Money. Say you are an ultra wealthy person, and you are not satisfied with merely having a thousand times more than the typical American - you would like even more, to the point that the average American has to give up half the wealth they'd have for you to have more, and yet this pesky thing called democracy means they can vote in leaders who prevent you from those government policies. How do you get people to vote against their own interest?

It's amazing what some money can do. Young writers can writer for nearly free for publications they believe in - but the right-wing publicans are better funded, better paying, and there's a large network for its members to get referrals to better-paying opportunities as careers, while the liberals are making much less. It's your choice, but the contrast has an impact on how much right-wing content is available.

Similarly, how many people can work for free or little at liberal think tanks? Money pays for the biggest think tanks in the world, the right-wing ones.

But even more importantly, to have more political power than others, you make the system require money, pay to play, giving you the control, over the average American.

"Politicians have to do good for their donors, and look good to the voters" is one of the most useful sayings for American politics. You're either the guy paying the bill and getting the goodies, or you're the guy getting screwed but told how nice it feels, on the receiving end of the policies for those who pay the bills.

The facts don't lie. CEO pay up ten times after inflation while 80% of Americans have had no raise after inflation for 25 years, the top 5% going from 50% to 75% of the wealth...

We're on the verge of the US having only one political party, with two factions the way Coke 'competes' with Diet Coke - all the profits go to the same bucket.

That about sums it up. Pretty sad indeed.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
What are teh key factors in our political system today?

You had some nice insights in response to your own question.

I think that the political system today is to eliminate democracy as much as is practical. So now we have it to the point where about half the population participates in the political system every once every couple of years, and they choose between two parties that are essentially identical.

This is the reason that there is such a huge rift between public policy and the will of the citizens.

The tool that the elite uses maintain its control is the media. You simply do not see the thousands of Palestinians killed by American weapons during Israeli oppression; you do not see the suffering of Iraqi's, you don't see the see the monstrous effects that U.S. sanctions have on nations like Cuba.

You touched on a good point with the fear observation. We needn't pull out the Goering quote again, but it's useful to note that we are far and away the most secure nation on earth. We have more military power than any one else, and we have oceans separating us from our enemies. Yet Americans are constantly afraid for their safety. Whether it's the communists, the terrorists, the iranians, the iraqis, the illegal immagrents, or the chinese, we are afraid of anyone and everyone.

You said you have a stack of books to read. If you haven't already read it, I highly reccomend putting this one at the top of your pile:

http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Pow..._1/105-3988498-6751644?ie=UTF8&s=books

Chomsky is amazing; his ability to analyze and reduce politics to basic moral truisms is unmatched.

A couple of other quick points:

I'm a fan of Frontline as well; but I am pretty disappointed in their 3 part series on the media so far. Just Judith Miller and Bob Woodward, no mention of media filters and biases. I soured a bit on Air America because they pimp Democrats way too much. Democrats are just barely to the left of Republicans.

I highly recommend counterpunch for good dissident writing:

www.counterpunch.org

I'll check out some of your links as well.
 
You guys are pretty negative. I'd say the key is human rights enshrined in freedoms like free exercise of religion and speech, women are given equality, anyone can start a business very easily, go to university very easy, etc...It's just the whole package which makes living in America great. I'm not saying there arnt things that don't need improvement but on the balance it's not "democracy" that sets us apart, but human and individual rights and Americans generally shy away from authoritarian left or right.

One of my favorites: women, only sleep with liberals.

Good luck with that. Women look for security not unemployed novelists and carpenters.😛
 
Originally posted by: Craig234

[Edited for space}

I think your post contains nonsense.

My "nonsense" is as follows:

The question you pose: "What are the key factors in our political system today?"

1) The insular lives of our Congress people & Gov officals. They are so far removed from the life most all of us lead that they are clueless. They act so far above us all we get is "lip service" trickling down. We really needed the founding fathers to put term limits in the Constitution.

2. Crappy reporting by the media. We no longer have many serious journalist, they're too busy being "celebrities". The press needs to do it's job and provide us with real, substanial & detailed information instead "where's Anna Nicole Smith gonna be buried?" and other tripe.

If our Congress people are insulated from us and we can't get real data to make an informed decisions with our votes or letters etc- we're effectively shut out of government even though it's a democracy.

It's all an illusion............

Fern
 
Your premise is entirely too complex for this message board, Craig234.

Which is not to say it isn't true- I'm pretty much in agreement, as is Fern, whether he realizes it or not.

The single factor that isolates our representatives from us is wealth- most of them have been wealthy from birth. Which is what you said, yet what Fern hasn't realized... there are very few Harry Reid's or John Edwards's in congress.

What you say about the media is substantially correct, and Fern doesn't really disagree, he just doesn't see it from your perspective. The reason the media is lazy is because they've been chosen and advanced in their profession precisely for the characteristics they exhibit... it's a symptom of media consolidation, of the corporate zeitgeist, of what Chomsky calls manufacturing consent-

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman%20/Manufac_Consent_Prop_Model.html

It's a long article, and a worthwhile read. Basically, the corporate ladder acts as a filtering device- only those who fit the desired profile advance, the rest get filtered out. Yep, they're lazy, and that's what they're supposed to be- dutifully reporting what they're told to report.... straight from the Whitehouse, the Heritage Foundation, the AEI, any story they're assigned to cover... and to accept the framing of the issues they're given, like "death tax"...

How the hell Keith Olberman got where he is is beyond comprehension, but he's just the exception that proves the rule...
 
I find it funny that the isolation of the politicians and the public is mentioned. While it exists and is a concern, there is another gap that I think is more important.

There are few people left in this country with any imagination, any critical thinking skills. Many of those that post here still have these attributes (even some that I usually disagree with), so we may see it as more common than it is. I am willing to bet that 95% of the people I have met in the last 10 years would find no value in discussing what we discuss here. Actually might describe it as "not very entertaining".

Far too many people are just willing to accept what they see on TV or the internet and never evaluate it, examine it for truth, or extropolate the future. That's why advertising is so effective (i.e. "all natural"; hell, road apples and pond scum are all natural). The advertising people long ago infiltrated politics and shared their expertise (gay unions will destroy traditional marraige). Common fallicies of logic are unreconised by the masses.

People no longer "do", just "watch". Reality show popularity, media saturation with Anna Nichole Smith are examples.

For those that don't bother thinking, life becomes a neverending series of unintendeded consequences. And if they vote, unintended politics.
 
Fern said:
2. Crappy reporting by the media. We no longer have many serious journalist, they're too busy being "celebrities". The press needs to do it's job and provide us with real, substanial & detailed information instead "where's Anna Nicole Smith gonna be buried?" and other tripe.

One of the reasons that the journalists don't "get it" in regards to reporting fact is, in part, due to the maddening and fashionably buzzy "balance".

Sometimes it appears to be a sort of "equal time" approach. It really doesn't matter how TRUE a story is, in order to maintain this imaginary "balance" you have to also provide the other side (no matter how completely cockeyed it is).

And with "news" now being mostly entertainment and personality why lead with the boring truth when you can lead with exciting but cockeyed crap? After that, the follow-up truth or corrections in the reporting gets lost in the cracks. If they even bother with that at all.

Some are modern human beings ? children of the enlightenment. They believe that it is possible to discern Truth. Therefore, you must challenge a subject to discern the underlying truth of their statements, and a difference exists between that and partisanship, where the challenge is primarily a political attack.

Some are post-modern. There is no "truth" out there. Objectivity in his world doesn't exist, except as a "balance" between the partisan positions. Therefore challenging your subject is not an exercise in objectivity, but an exercise in partisanship. The objective reporter just presents all the points of view neutrally.

In other words, journalism today is glorified Wikipedia NPOV; but at least wikipedia is done by unpaid volunteers, rather than high-priced DC insiders, and claims no privileged position, just an open-source collection of data.

And in the same breath these media types wonder why there such extreme polarization of views. Nah, it couldn?t be that the MSM frames every issue, regardless of gravity or complexity, as a left-right, Democratic/Republican, liberal/conservative, pro-war/anti-war, you name it.

The Iraq War is discussed using the same formula as abortion. It is also what has given the right a podium to push extremist views in the name of "balance."

We are expressly asking the MSM not to do these political ?horse race? analyses, instead to analyze, investigate, and do whatever else journalists are supposed to do on these issues based on their effects to society and the world and pertinent segments thereof. How the media interprets this request for the truth - for describing the object being reported on, including the little fibs and fantasies, as well as the big lie of people in power.

A conspiracy of big corporate owners and editors, wherein only "rah-rah" team players are hired or promoted, and given more face time or bylines. Bending and twisting to the corporate atmosphere of conformity is a highly sought after trait in a "journalist" in the eyes of those who control what gets the headlines and what gets repeated ad nauseum, therefore becoming conventional wisdom.

Conventional Wisdom - pervasive opinion catapulted by profiteers which best enhances the bottom line.

We need more news and opinion articles that point out the woeful shortcomings of the mainstream media. Not only do many of the mainstream media outlets continue to be the "enablers" of the Bush Administration and many other politicians (both Republican and Democrat), but they continue to get it wrong in their attempts to portray the realities of the current state of American public discourse.

We need more observant readers who review and point out the failures of our established Fourth Estate who lazily pull out and use in their reporting such old saws as "the antiwar left" even though not remotely descriptive of what is really happening.








 
Here's my diet of information, if I had the time - who can?

+ read one or more newspapers
+ read magazines, including Harper's, The Atlantic Monthly, Jim Hightower's Lowdown, The Progressive, The Nation
+ Radio: Air America type hosts such as Thom Hartmann (9-12), Ed Schultz (2-5), and local hosts such as Bernie Ward (10PM - 1AM), and Ray Taliafaro (1AM - 5AM)
+ Books: I have dozens of important books waiting to be read
+ Web: Salon.com, Huffingtonpost.com, Democratic Underground, commondreams.org, and several others
+ TV: Frontline, NOW, 60 Minutes, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, The Colbert Report...
+ Documentaries
+ Local democratic and moveon.org and Congressional Town Hall meetings
+ Oh ya, and writing a 90 minute post on a message board like this.
I like your "diet of information" almost entirely from liberal news sources like MoveOn, Democratic Underground, and *chuckles* Bill Maher. No wonder you're writing a post like this, you've been brainwashed. Don't claim that you're being "informed" when you're just stroking your own ego with left-wing propaganda without having a taste of what the other side has to say.

I mean, keep living in your ultra-left happy land if you want, but don't try to pull everyone else into it.
 
Sounds like an argument based on one big assumption. The assumption that most Americans are either blithering idoits or brainwashed by the media. This is an argument only an elitist can make!
 
Forget it, Craig234. The subject is entirely too deep for the audience.

It's largely a matter of conditioning, of very carefully composed soundbite engineering- people believe the message because of the way it's framed, before they understand it, and then refuse to enter analysis because they already believe. The whole approach is extremely emotional, preying on our fears and aspirations, our prejudices, our weaknesses, even our strengths.

It's the reason for the extreme solidarity on the Right, the simple fact that very few who believe in the tenets of that political persuasion bother to think about it, analyze it, whatever it is- that's already been done for them through the initial formulation deep in the bowels of some thinktank. But there is a lot of repetition to reinforce the version of reality being purveyed. The runup to the WOI is a great example, with media complicity being obvious. No matter how many times the Admin or one of their allies screamed "Osama! Saddam! Terrar! Nukes! WMD's! 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11!!!" the occasion was dutifully reported as fact... the perps as strong leaders, their actions in the best interest of the country, complete with stirring anthems and old Glory waving in the background... with many victims still believing it was all true...
 
Originally posted by: JungleMan1
I like your "diet of information" almost entirely from liberal news sources like MoveOn, Democratic Underground, and *chuckles* Bill Maher. No wonder you're writing a post like this, you've been brainwashed. Don't claim that you're being "informed" when you're just stroking your own ego with left-wing propaganda without having a taste of what the other side has to say.

I mean, keep living in your ultra-left happy land if you want, but don't try to pull everyone else into it.

His sources of information are probably far more balanced than yours. The alternative sources he listed at least gives him a chance of being exposed to something besides the crap propaganda that's on cable news. Go ahead and try to find accurate reporting on the middle east in the mainstream media. Even people in England howl with laughter when they see how that is covered.
 
so in other words, because moonbats are not willing to fund think tanks or their moonbat writers that its someone how a problem with america?



"+ Push for the return of the fairness doctrine and accountability of the broadcast media to provide public interest programming. "



Right there you lost any support of your moonbat ideaology. FAIRNESS my ass, its take away the freedom of the people. If people don't want to listen to the tripe of the moonbats they should not be forced to, let alone be forced to pay for its creation.

Whats wrong? Is it only fair to shackle a point of view when no one wants to listen to yours?

Fairness doctrine is for people who hate the fact that others hold differing opinions. Because its not "fair" someone disagrees with them, let alone the fact that those who disagree are more willing to spend their own money to do so.
 
Nice Rant, Shivetya.

Straight from the archives of the Free Republic, I suspect.

I suppose your point would be legitimate, if wasn't for the overwhelming dominance of commercial media, controlled, as it is, by 5 giant moneymaking conglomerates, whose revenues are dependent on the whims of advertising by other corporate entities...

Who are basically owned and controlled by America's financial elite. Money talks, as we've seen from the push by those same interests to abolish the "death tax", a move that would benefit them exclusively. It's the same with thinktanks- they have the financial resources to fund them, largely because of inherited wealth. Here's a little bit about one of the greats of the game, as it were-

http://archives.cjr.org/year/81/4/scaife_sidebars.asp

No wonder he has others do his talking for him...

More moderate forces have definitely been behind the curve in terms of message formulation and framing, which, hopefully, is changing-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2005/08/06/AR2005080600848.html



 
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