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What are the Dems plans for radical Islam?
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palehorse
Lifer
The following are false assumptions:
1) that I am consumed by fear - sometimes I am very afraid, but I will never let it consume me.
2) that I -only- wish to fight the terrorists, and not cure the disease of radicalism itself - (which we are simultaneously doing by going to the source of the problem = radical mosques with radical imams, poverty, illiteracy, our addiction to fossil fuels, etc.)
3) that I honestly care what you think of me.
Some of us "Ignirant soljerz" spend nearly every waking moment hoping and praying that our leaders find a better way to fight this thing; and, ultimately, a way to end this thing.
At the same time, I do not expect everyone around me to walk around in fear. However, I do expect everyone to recognize the very real threats that are held at bay every day by men and women willing to stand in the way. When you consistently dismiss the threat as something barely more than a nuisance, you are disrespecting, and perhaps even endangering, those who face the very real threat every day.
And the threat to American lives is not only in Iraq - This war is being fought, on the ground, around the globe, 24 hours a day... every day.
The entire GWOT is a catch-22 at this point. On one hand, it is much safer and strategically sound to keep it invisible and in the shadows (out of the public view); while, on the other hand, I sometimes wish that the general public could see the reality of the real battles being waged around the world. Perhaps in knowing the reality, they'd finally begin to grasp the true dangers; and, *gasp*, perhaps they'd actually support the efforts with something more than a 99 cent ribbon on their cars.
/rant
I see what you're saying, but with all due respect, you're not engaged in the "war for the free world" either. Calling terrorism a nuisance isn't right (and, all BS aside, who's really used that word?), but there has to be a middle ground between terrorism not being a problem and terrorism being the all consuming obsession of our nation that it currently is.
flavio
Diamond Member
Nope, by recognizing that Iraq is no threat to us and wasn't from the start AND recognizing that terrorism and the threat has increased because of the clusterf@ck in Iraq we are only respecting our soldiers if we not have them involved in this farce. OF course they'd also be much less endangered if we pulled them out of this BS.
BoberFett
Lifer
That's a stretch. Just take a look at the place now, there are plenty of radical Muslims. We didn't create them, they've been there the whole time. The only difference between now and then is that the iron fist of Saddam was keeping them in check. Just because the US invasion of Iraq stirred up the hornets nest doesn't meant the hornets weren't there before.
The people of Iraq are not a threat to the West.
They are a threat to themselves because they want power. Sunnis had power for a long time and they loved it. Now the Shittes have power and the Sunnis are mad. They are attacking each other for power.
What does their fight have to do with us?
They are a threat to themselves because they want power. Sunnis had power for a long time and they loved it. Now the Shittes have power and the Sunnis are mad. They are attacking each other for power.
What does their fight have to do with us?
Sinsear
Diamond Member
Actually he was correct; do you really think the war radicalized people overnight? Between Boberfett's and Aimsters posts you find the truth; they were radical already and kept in check by Saddam; now however they are in a power struggle for the rights to run the country, oil revenues, etc.
Jaskalas
Lifer
What is Europe?
It's simple really, we need to open our arms, our hearts, and be assimilated. It takes a bigot or a racist, or an Islamophobe to be bothered by a few radicals using unpopular rhetoric. There is no war. There is no threat, except from George W Bush. America is the big bad evil in the world, we must stop America!
There, I bolded the explicit end of the Democratic line of thought on the subject of Islam. Least that?s my perception of what they've been telling us these past 6 years.
BoberFett
Lifer
There were radical Sunnis and Shiites long before we invaded Iraq. You can pretend that they didn't exist before, but that's just being ignorant. The only thing we did was allow them to crawl out from under the rock where Saddam was keeping them. Just look at who is being killed and that'll tell you all you need to know. There are hundreds of Iraqis dying daily compared to a few US soldiers. If it was simply the US that "radicalized" them they'd be ambushing our soldiers. Instead you have Iraqis killing Iraqis, which means they were only ever waiting for an opportunity to kill each other.
Jaskalas
Lifer
I would say Iraq has very little to do with dealing with radical Islam. Except in that leaving it in ruins we leave to become another pre-US-invasion Afghanistan.
So then, how do you respond to my assertion that the Democratic plan for radical Islam is that America must be stopped?
So then, how do you respond to my assertion that the Democratic plan for radical Islam is that America must be stopped?
BoberFett
Lifer
Are you talking to me? Read my post again. I never said Iraq was a danger to me or anyone in the US. But your claim was that Iraq had nothing to do with radical Islam, and that is 100% false.
If there were two factions of Christians killing each other in the US in an attempt to gain power, wouldn't you call those radical Christians? Two factions, split down a religious line, killing other people. Sounds pretty radical to me.
UberNeuman
Lifer
So, the Republican plan, as I gather from some of the posters here is - genocide, I mean many posters here keep carping about "the problem" that needs to be dealt with so just come out with it...
It must hurt to face that Bush ignored warnings about possible attacks on the U.S. b.b.b.b.but CLINTON!!!!!
It must hurt to face that Bush ignored warnings about possible attacks on the U.S. b.b.b.b.but CLINTON!!!!!
ProfJohn
Lifer
I think it is obvious that the Democrat plan for 2008 will be to point at Iraq and call it a failure and try to win based on that alone.
Their ?plan? will be to do something better than the Republicans have done. But they will avoid having to actually spell out that plan in detail. Why go through all that effort when you can just point at the war instead?
So the question for the American people becomes what is better. The failed Republican plan or the non-existent Democrat plan?
In a battle of equals the Democrats probably win. However, the candidates will most likely have a huge effect on this and a good Republican might be able to overcome the failures of the war if they can frame the issue properly.
Their ?plan? will be to do something better than the Republicans have done. But they will avoid having to actually spell out that plan in detail. Why go through all that effort when you can just point at the war instead?
So the question for the American people becomes what is better. The failed Republican plan or the non-existent Democrat plan?
In a battle of equals the Democrats probably win. However, the candidates will most likely have a huge effect on this and a good Republican might be able to overcome the failures of the war if they can frame the issue properly.
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