What are the chances of another bumpgate by nvidia?

[DaveSimmons]

The thing is, "Bumpgate" isn't the nickname for the manufacturing failure that happened, it's the nickname for Nvidia's cover-up and denial of the situation (Ala, Watergate)

True, but: both nvidia and ATI are equally capable of creating another defect, and both companies have behaved badly in the past (driver flaws, driver cheating, product review shenanigans, etc.).

I've yet to read anything in this thread to convince me that nvidia is more likely than AMD to have this happen again, especially since people will be watching nvidia more closely than AMD for a repeat.

 

[notty22]

The thing is, "Bumpgate" isn't the nickname for the manufacturing failure that happened, it's the nickname for Nvidia's cover-up and denial of the situation (Ala, Watergate)

Partially correct.
Bumpgate is Charlies rhetoric. Its his assertion there is a coverup, ongoing, happened.
Bumping is a term, he used in his original articles, then, someone clever , amped up the drama, and claimed , coverups. Hence bumpgate , Watergate where there WAS A REAL COVERUP.
See here.

The problem is extremely complex and defies a simple explanation. It involves multiple poor choices, multiple engineering failures, and likely a few bad accounting choices. This piece could also have been entitled: "More than you ever wanted to know about bumping, and then some:

So fans, run with it, OMG, there has to be a illegal coverup ! everyone is calling it bumpgate.

 

[styrafoam]

Not really.

1. The xbox used an ATI chip, so ATI GPUs aren't magically immune to this problem.
2. With proper temperature control, it would probably have been fine. Same with nvidia, say if they'd said the max safe temp was 70C vs. 90C to reduce the amount of variation in temps that occurred and cracked the solder.

MS didn't admit to their design flaw until July 2007 (the xbox was released November 2005).

That was meant to be more of a tounge in cheek jab at how nvidia handled it. In all fairness though, did ati design the heatsink and were they responsible for the layout, solder and fab of the mainboard? What happens with an xbox gpu designed by ati is neither here nor there in relation to what nvidia does when they have a problem. I had an xbox die on me, but ms upped the warranty to 3 years and covered return shipping so i'm not terribly upset by it.

 

[taltamir]

He's overdramatic but that doesn't invalidate the underlying facts.

Which is exactly what I said.
He is playing up the drama... but there really was a bump gate.

 

[exar333]

I don't fault people for those things effecting their buying decisions.

I don't like some aspects of Sony myself.

But I still love their Televisions. No longer a fan of their expensive laptops/ or their lackluster followups, game support on the hand held gaming systems, once they sell the expensive hardware.

So you like Sharp televisions? Sony doesn't even make their panels anymore and they decided to move to Sharp with their 2009 (IIRC) models away from quality panels they had been using. They are pretty much worthless now.

 

[Jionix]

Partially correct.
Bumpgate is Charlies rhetoric. Its his assertion there is a coverup, ongoing, happened.
Bumping is a term, he used in his original articles, then, someone clever , amped up the drama, and claimed , coverups. Hence bumpgate , Watergate where there WAS A REAL COVERUP.
See here.
So fans, run with it, OMG, there has to be a illegal coverup ! everyone is calling it bumpgate.

I would say Nvidia ignoring the issue, denying it, calling Charlie a liar when he proved the substrate and solder were inferior, plus the years of denying responsibility amounts to a cover-up.

 

[notty22]

I would say Nvidia ignoring the issue, denying it, calling Charlie a liar when he proved the substrate and solder were inferior, plus the years of denying responsibility amounts to a cover-up.

Your buying in to fairy tales and truth stretching. Show me proof of this. Laid out with timelines and facts beyond veiled rantings by Charlie.

I show you dated articles by Charlie, explaining in detail what the problem in manufacturing/ design decisions.
Sept 2008

There are articles showing Nvidia acknowledging the problem and setting aside money's, / future earning impacts. Early as July 2008.
Nvidia Admits Problems With Certain GPU and MCP Products

http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1215037160521.html

 

[Voo]

There are articles showing Nvidia acknowledging the problem and setting aside money's, / future earning impacts. Early as July 2008.

So you're claiming that starting from July 2008 everyone who had a affected notebook got it replaced for free with a functioning one? Interesting, does your parallel universe still have some free space? I'd love to live there.. Because over here Nvidia needed a class action lawsuit and finally replaced the affected models with useless single core (in 2011 not less) notebooks worth less than 300$.

 

[notty22]

So you're claiming that starting from July 2008 everyone who had a affected notebook got it replaced for free with a functioning one? Interesting, does your parallel universe still have some free space? I'd love to live there.. Because over here Nvidia needed a class action lawsuit and finally replaced the affected models with useless single core (in 2011 not less) notebooks worth less than 300$.

I'm not saying anything actually. Class action lawsuits are very common. Beyond normal warranties, beyond normal expectations CAL are used to obtain damages.
I just received information concerning a settlement reached for owners of 2008 Honda Accords. The back brakes Evidently wear much faster than 'normal'. Some lawyers undertook a lawsuit and people effected can now apply.
I see the sharks move in almost instantly concerning the PS network and security breach. Numerous CAL are being filed.
LOL,z

CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS

Almost all of us have at one time received notice from the courts that we are a member of a class action lawsuit and have wondered, "What does it all mean?