What are some Universal Values....

[aphex]

Just curious what you all think, we discussed this for about 2 hours in my Ethics course today...

What are some Universal Values that everyone around the world share?

Do Universal Values even exist...?

 

[Booster]

I just need a little money to live on.

 

[notfred]

it should be universally accepted that Ethics is a more interesting class than anthropolgy, which I just got out of, and it sucked.

You're going to spend the rest of the semester talking about whether or not there even are absolute values, but one that seem to be universal at the current time:

Eating people is wrong.

 

[tweakmm]

there are no universal values, everything is relative

 

The sun is bright
The night is dark
Sh!t stinks

 

[glen]

Pi

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: tweakmm
there are no universal values, everything is relative

Thats the position we took and she had a hard time believing it

 

[AvesPKS]

G, mu0, epsilon0, e...

 

[TheOmegaCode]

I've wondered that very same question... I'd have to assume that atoms are universal, but then that's an assumption of a being with very limited cognitive abilities...

 

[TheOmegaCode]

Originally posted by: AvesPKS
G, mu0, epsilon0, e...

R as in PV=NRT, but are these really universal?

 

[dolph]

Originally posted by: aphexII

Originally posted by: tweakmm there are no universal values, everything is relative

Thats the position we took and she had a hard time believing it

'cause it's only right for someone just learning about values
brush up on some kant. moral relativism is easily disproven, we may disagree on the small stuff but everyone agrees that there are certain values that must be held true to maintain a functional society, at very least.

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: aphexII

Originally posted by: tweakmm there are no universal values, everything is relative

Thats the position we took and she had a hard time believing it

'cause it's only right for someone just learning about values
brush up on some kant. moral relativism is easily disproven, we may disagree on the small stuff but <EM>everyone </EM>agrees that there are certain values that must be held true to maintain a functional society, at very least.

Thats exactally what weve been discussing about in class.... I agree that there are certain things that are essential to societies, but our point was that there is always an exception. This then brought us into a debate on the definition of 'universal' and we came out with the understanding that it means 'unequivocally everyone'. In which case, i dont see any universal values that everyone holds true....

 

[FoBoT]

42

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
42

in base 13

 

[aphex]

Were going for other types of values people, not math

I.E. Family, Freedom, Love, etc...

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: aphexII
...but our point was that there is always an exception. This then brought us into a debate on the definition of 'universal' and we came out with the understanding that it means 'unequivocally everyone'. In which case, i dont see any universal values that everyone holds true....

so barbecuing a baby alive and eating it is ok, sometimes?

i am thinking there is no human society where it is ok to cook a human baby alive and eat it

even in tribal societies that practiced cannibalism, there were rules about who got eaten and under what circumstances

 

[TheOmegaCode]

Originally posted by: aphexII
Were going for other types of values people, not math

I.E. Family, Freedom, Love, etc...

Then I would most definitely have to go with "no." You're assuming that other sentient beings would operate similar to us, which is a rather bold assumption...

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: aphexII
...but our point was that there is always an exception. This then brought us into a debate on the definition of 'universal' and we came out with the understanding that it means 'unequivocally everyone'. In which case, i dont see any universal values that everyone holds true....

so barbecuing a baby alive and eating it is ok, sometimes?

i am thinking there is no human society where it is ok to cook a human baby alive and eat it

even in tribal societies the practiced canibalism, there were rules about who go eaten and under what circumstances

But your speaking about within a set of rules, we were trying to step out of society and look at the picture from a whole...

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: aphexII

But your speaking about within a set of rules, we were trying to step out of society and look at the picture from a whole...

um, ok, this is over my head, i will go read some for sale/trade threads or hit the "bush is ruining the economy" flamefest

 

[gopunk]

nope

societies are always changing... pretty much impossible to tell which one will survive

 

[capnyoaz1]

REPOST

 

[dolph]

Originally posted by: aphexII

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: aphexII ...but our point was that there is always an exception. This then brought us into a debate on the definition of 'universal' and we came out with the understanding that it means 'unequivocally everyone'. In which case, i dont see any universal values that everyone holds true....

so barbecuing a baby alive and eating it is ok, sometimes? i am thinking there is no human society where it is ok to cook a human baby alive and eat it even in tribal societies the practiced canibalism, there were rules about who go eaten and under what circumstances

But your speaking about within a set of rules, we were trying to step out of society and look at the picture from a whole...

:-/... are you asking if there are any universal values that permeate all life, regardless of society?

 

[TheOmegaCode]

Whoa, wait a minute. When you're referring to "universal" values, are you talking about values that exist within the entire universe, or values that exist among humans?

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: aphexII

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: aphexII ...but our point was that there is always an exception. This then brought us into a debate on the definition of 'universal' and we came out with the understanding that it means 'unequivocally everyone'. In which case, i dont see any universal values that everyone holds true....

so barbecuing a baby alive and eating it is ok, sometimes? i am thinking there is no human society where it is ok to cook a human baby alive and eat it even in tribal societies the practiced canibalism, there were rules about who go eaten and under what circumstances

But your speaking about within a set of rules, we were trying to step out of society and look at the picture from a whole...

:-/... are you asking if there are any universal values that permeate all life, regardless of society?

EXACTALLY!

 

[dolph]

Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
Whoa, wait a minute. When you're referring to "universal" values, are you talking about values that exist within the entire universe, or values that exist among humans?

as far as this conversation is concerned, is there really a difference? we could be the only ones in the universe, we don't have any evidence to the contrary (besides statistics ), so it's safe to assume that universe means just humans, since it's kinda one and the same.