What are some good arguments advocating p2p file sharing

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konakona

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Originally posted by: DeeKnow
if ppl can steal with absolutely zero risk of getting caught for it, they will. end of story. who cares if it's good or bad?

yeah but i cant write that on my paper :p
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: jagec
yeah, on-campus DC hub = the fastest way to get game patches, linux distros, freeware, anime...think 700+ MB/s.

Not to say that nothing illegal gets shared, but that's not ALL that gets shared.

Still, one guy on the hub has 600GB of anime :Q

Try finding that on the internet...

700 MB/s huh?

hehe, oops?

700 KB/s I mean. I've seen as high as 1.06 MB/s.

A friend of mine HAS seen as high as ~8MB/s, but not all the dorms are wired for 100-base T
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't get why the music industry is so upset. They are happy the music gets played on the radio, but they don't like it when people download the music to listen to it.
They need to realize something, and deal with it.
wow - you love to earn your username don't you?
 

konakona

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: jagec
yeah, on-campus DC hub = the fastest way to get game patches, linux distros, freeware, anime...think 700+ MB/s.

Not to say that nothing illegal gets shared, but that's not ALL that gets shared.

Still, one guy on the hub has 600GB of anime :Q

Try finding that on the internet...

700 MB/s huh?

hehe, oops?

700 KB/s I mean. I've seen as high as 1.06 MB/s.

A friend of mine HAS seen as high as ~8MB/s, but not all the dorms are wired for 100-base T

highest i had was around 15MB/s. i will report back on that when i go home for the winter break :)
 

konakona

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lol i just had to put it off till the last day... got about 12 hours to write it now :)
Cerb, thats the type of arguments i was gonna use... any idea where to start looking for the statistics? apparantely google isnt getting the job done
 

Schadenfroh

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i use it to download patches and freeware mods for my games. It really comes in handy when the games first come out and all the download servers are slow. I dont use it for warez purposes, buy all my CDs at Circuit City.
 

konakona

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IIRC, peer to peer simply means all computers are equal and may act both as a server and as a client. what significance does it have in terms of software/media piracy? why are the feds and RIAA so upset about it when same things could be shared on FTP, usenet and such? is it simply cuz of the fact tracking down each and every session is nearly impossible? i know it sounds rather dumb, just had to make sure i am not writing baseless bs in my paper :)
 

DeRusto

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You know the cheese-sample lady at the grocery store? She gives out free cheese to people in hopes that they will like it and buy some. Now I don't know how many people actually end up buying cheese and how many just take the free stuff.. but there must be some significant amount of sales from it if they keep doing it :p
 

eigen

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People may have to accept that the world is changing. We are obviously moving toward a society where information is what is valued.However this may imply that old market rules do not apply anymore ( particualry those based on scarcity). In the same way that capitalism replaced feudalism..we may be in the beginnings of a transistion period.
 

Cerb

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Originally posted by: eigen
People may have to accept that the world is changing. We are obviously moving toward a society where information is what is valued.However this may imply that old market rules do not apply anymore ( particualry those based on scarcity). In the same way that capitalism replaced feudalism..we may be in the beginnings of a transistion period.
No.
This is the same crap that has happened over and over. Remember, in the Betamax case, the player piano got mention. This is nothing new. Information being valued is nothing new. Information as a commodity is nothing new. The ONLY thing that has changed in the medium. With each medium changem the market's size changes. The only transition period we are in is of one where companies that treat the customer well maight flourish, and those that screw the current and prospective customers over b!tch and moan about falling sales, even though it is entirely their fault for being short-sighted, close-minded idiots. The trouble is that good works of art might get locked up during this time.

<- CD buyer. More accurately, CDDA CD buyer.
 

RobCur

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Sharing is the best damn thing to happen since money was invented. We not only made more things available to others, money is no longer an object like it use to be. You couldn't buy some of the rare stuff even if you had money. Things that are out of production are pretty much rescued by sharing. Most people only buys what is cheapest and download it if they can or if it is too expensive.

This driving down the price of entertainment products actually help consumers a lot by not over spending on unnecessary stuff that are just for pure fun and useless after one use. The only thing that can't be copied so far is material matters like cars, tv, a home, a human being, etc.
I don't mind if someone made a copy of me and use for experimental purpose.
Woohoo, this thread is old but I am just bored.


 

edm917

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I think when you limit sharing to a close group of friends (instead of strangers), it gets more interesting. It's basically like extending your network neighborhood out around a few select friends. This makes it safe enough to share files that you would never want out on a public sharing network.
 

imported_Phil

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Originally posted by: edm917
I think when you limit sharing to a close group of friends (instead of strangers), it gets more interesting. It's basically like extending your network neighborhood out around a few select friends. This makes it safe enough to share files that you would never want out on a public sharing network.

This thread is three* MONTHS old. Why the hell bring it back?

* Four from the OP.
 

Kyteland

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Originally posted by: Dopefiend
Originally posted by: edm917
I think when you limit sharing to a close group of friends (instead of strangers), it gets more interesting. It's basically like extending your network neighborhood out around a few select friends. This makes it safe enough to share files that you would never want out on a public sharing network.

This thread is three* MONTHS old. Why the hell bring it back?

* Four from the OP.
Because he is a dumbass and 7 out of his 8 posts have been bumping dead P2P threads.
 

BurnItDwn

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my arguments against it ...
It's very easy for people to put up fake or bad copies of files.
It's not as personal as say, private FTP account access, for your friends.
Too much work, You can't just go on there and archive thousands upon thousands of files, you have to do a search for specific things. (Newsbin + a good usenet server = much more results with less effort)

my arguments for it
If you are looking for something in specific, and none of your buddies have it, and you aren't sure if you want to buy it, you can probably find it on p2p.
 

jjones

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Music, programs, porn, games, movies, and it's all free!. Those are the best arguments I can come up with.
 

Lorn

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My argument - no matter how wrong or right it is... YOU WILL NEVER STOP IT.
 

intogamer

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't get why the music industry is so upset. They are happy the music gets played on the radio, but they don't like it when people download the music to listen to it.
They need to realize something, and deal with it.

You can record from the radio it is almost the same!
 

EpsiIon

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Sharing is Caring :D
Here is a good arguement:
It's my computer, my files, my connection, my peers. If we decide we want to share, we are gonna share :D
Don't like it, don't let the files get out there. If you can't protect your data, you have only yourself to blame.

That's the worst argument I've heard in a long time.
 

MiniDoom

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My argument?I don?t see anyone suing Xerox because they created the means for somebody to pickup a book and copy it. That being said I don?t think the government should try to determine the intent of someone downloading zeros and ones. You don?t see big brother regulating Xerox machines right?
 

konakona

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Originally posted by: Stark
listen up

you might have an easier job if you limit the paper to BT

thx for ideas, but others keep bumping the thread when I turned in my paper and got a 85 on it like 3 months ago. not that i mind the prolonged discussion on it, i am still curious what people have to say about the p2p.