What are some good arguments advocating p2p file sharing

[konakona]

ok, i will be honest : this is to aid me in writing my english paper... but believe me, it does tickle my fancy purely as a subject matter for a debate, apart from my urge to finish the assignment.

IIRC, both republicans and democrats are looking for ways to reduce our freedom in the virtual realm by banning or limiting the means of p2p file sharing. I chose this topic seeing how this would probably affect my life (or many other ATOTers' for that matter) more greatly than most other issues. my general (yet unpolished, grammar nazis need not apply) thesis is something like : "while it is true file sharing opens the door to many potential problems, it is a necessary evil if anything. " the tough part is this is going to be an argumentative paper, so the supporting ideas should come with solid proofs like statisctics and quotes from credible sources.

the arguments i thought of so far are :
-it is not as clear-cut to define what constitutes copyright infringement online
-file sharing does not hurt the sales of records, dvds, etc
-it is nearly impossible to stop all p2p activities (examples : kazaa lawsuit case, maybe some underground p2p methods like bittorent or winny)
-there are ways to minimize undesired harmful effects of p2p
-a 'war on p2p' would be just as disastrous as 'war on drug', only worse (i.e. waste of resources without meaningful results) besides, incessant efforts to halt p2p activities did not result in a decrease of p2p
-possible side effects of banning all p2p

again, i am not asking you to do my homework, just asking for some suggestions on where to get a head start on
lighthearted jokes are fine by me, but lets try to keep this thread relatively flame-free..

 

[konakona]

no one cares about p2p? maybe this belongs in P&N...

 

[JetBlack69]

I use Bittorrent to get Linux distributions and game demos/patches. All 100% legal.

 

[konakona]

thats a good point. not all p2p file sharing is illegal and it would be very hard to tell illegal from legal as far as my understanding goes - wouldnt they have to inspect per session? please take a note i have no technological background on this....

 

[Mucho]

P2P is probabaly the only chance most of us will ever get of sticking it to the man.

 

[TuxDave]

My reading comprehension is really poor because I'm still trying to understand what argument you're trying to create. Are you trying to show....

1) P2P is more helpful than harmful?
2) P2P is protected by our rights and the gov't should leave it alone?
3) P2P should be policed and not banned?

I'm guessing you're arguing #3? If I had unlimited googling skills and creativity, I would try to find some similiar phenomenon like p2p like.. I dunno.. the DVD pirate rings or something that has happened in the past. That way you have some history and real results on how effective specific policies were.

 

[SuperTool]

Sharing is Caring
Here is a good arguement:
It's my computer, my files, my connection, my peers. If we decide we want to share, we are gonna share
Don't like it, don't let the files get out there. If you can't protect your data, you have only yourself to blame.

 

[FoBoT]

"stealing is ok"


try that , see if it works

 

[DaveSimmons]

"stealing is OK, and so was copying my paper off teh internets"

 

[konakona]

Originally posted by: TuxDave
My reading comprehension is really poor because I'm still trying to understand what argument you're trying to create. Are you trying to show....

1) P2P is more helpful than harmful?
2) P2P is protected by our rights and the gov't should leave it alone?
3) P2P should be policed and not banned?

I'm guessing you're arguing #3? If I had unlimited googling skills and creativity, I would try to find some similiar phenomenon like p2p like.. I dunno.. the DVD pirate rings or something that has happened in the past. That way you have some history and real results on how effective specific policies were.

sorry for being unclear, it was probably my lack of adequate writing skills... what i am supposed to do is argue for/against republican/democrat policy on this. correct me if i am wrong, but they are trying to ban p2p in favor of RIAA and those fvcktards, without a good reason. i mean, when the president doesnt even seem to know what 'internets' is... :laugh: so in a way, i guess all 3 applies; i need as many supporting ideas as i can muster.

for one thing, here is something i heard from people working in the industry : anime makers are well aware of p2p channels, yet they let it slide as it actually helps their sales by promoting it as there is no better advertisement than p2p. many people who liked a show on divx/wmv/ogm or whatever end up buying it on dvds. on the other hand, those potential buyers who would have bought those dvds after evaluating it wouldnt have been convinced to shell out their money without knowing how good or bad the series in question is. this is something i could use to depute why p2p doesnt hurt the market. of course this wouldnt pertain the japanese market as they can watch stuff on tv anytime they want...

 

[Zeeky Boogy Doog]

one of my friends had to do research on this for speech and debate and he told me that many college students use it in the same way as VanillaH mentioned the anime have found, they sample the music and then buy the cd, i say it's good, or at least they shouldn't actually fight it

 

[jagec]

yeah, on-campus DC hub = the fastest way to get game patches, linux distros, freeware, anime...think 700+ KB/s.

Not to say that nothing illegal gets shared, but that's not ALL that gets shared.

Still, one guy on the hub has 600GB of anime :Q

Try finding that on the internet...

 

[SuperTool]

I don't get why the music industry is so upset. They are happy the music gets played on the radio, but they don't like it when people download the music to listen to it.
They need to realize something, and deal with it.

 

[konakona]

Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
one of my friends had to do research on this for speech and debate and he told me that many college students use it in the same way as VanillaH mentioned the anime have found, they sample the music and then buy the cd, i say it's good, or at least they shouldn't actually fight it

i doubt you can get a hold of him now, but in case you could... where did he look for his data? i am about to google for stuff and use some lexis-nexis...

I don't get why the music industry is so upset. They are happy the music gets played on the radio, but they don't like it when people download the music to listen to it.
They need to realize something, and deal with it.

i guess that goes into ambiguity category. if you stream stuff, you still get to save it in your temp directory... wouldnt that be illegal as well?

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: jagec
yeah, on-campus DC hub = the fastest way to get game patches, linux distros, freeware, anime...think 700+ MB/s.

Not to say that nothing illegal gets shared, but that's not ALL that gets shared.

Still, one guy on the hub has 600GB of anime :Q

Try finding that on the internet...

700 MB/s huh?

 

[konakona]

more input needed...

 

[Cerb]

1. Studies showing that sharing and buying are related. People who share buy more.
2. The industries have too much power, don't care about customers, and P2P sharing is merely an outgrowth of it. Overseas release and syndication are an example. That is a big reason for copy protection of movies and TV series, as they want to charge extra, forcing these people to wait, even though we are DECADES beyond having any meaningful reason to make them wait. Yet these companies b!tch about it like it is their God-given right.

Because getting things out to the masses is a central part of any art, sharing is healthy for the industry as a whole. It is the monopolistic industry associations, unwilling to take advantage of new technology, that are a major problem, not the guy sharing his favorite music, so that others might get hooked on it. P2P is killing the entertainment industry just like the audio cassette and VHS tape.

I don't use P2P anymore, because the quality generally sucks. I hope it keeps on going, though.
The RIAA should not be complaining that people download music, when EPs sell for $10. Not only that, but wanting $15 for things that aren't even CDs.

 

[konakona]

good points cerb... wonder why couldnt think of that VHS idea

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't get why the music industry is so upset. They are happy the music gets played on the radio, but they don't like it when people download the music to listen to it.
They need to realize something, and deal with it.

Because they don't get paid when people download it.

 

[Darien]

Linux ISOs are huge. Best to put it on bittorrent than grabbing 4+ gigs of data off of a centralized location.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: jagec
yeah, on-campus DC hub = the fastest way to get game patches, linux distros, freeware, anime...think 700+ MB/s.

Not to say that nothing illegal gets shared, but that's not ALL that gets shared.

Still, one guy on the hub has 600GB of anime :Q

Try finding that on the internet...

i know a place that has 19 TB of anime

 

[Darien]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: jagec
yeah, on-campus DC hub = the fastest way to get game patches, linux distros, freeware, anime...think 700+ MB/s.

Not to say that nothing illegal gets shared, but that's not ALL that gets shared.

Still, one guy on the hub has 600GB of anime :Q

Try finding that on the internet...

i know a place that has 19 TB of anime

:Q

...sharing is caring..?

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Darien

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: jagec
yeah, on-campus DC hub = the fastest way to get game patches, linux distros, freeware, anime...think 700+ MB/s.

Not to say that nothing illegal gets shared, but that's not ALL that gets shared.

Still, one guy on the hub has 600GB of anime :Q

Try finding that on the internet...

i know a place that has 19 TB of anime

:Q

...sharing is caring..?

http://www.raspberryheaven.net/

19.95 currently i just checked, ive seen it as high as 24

 

[Darien]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Darien

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: jagec
yeah, on-campus DC hub = the fastest way to get game patches, linux distros, freeware, anime...think 700+ MB/s.

Not to say that nothing illegal gets shared, but that's not ALL that gets shared.

Still, one guy on the hub has 600GB of anime :Q

Try finding that on the internet...

i know a place that has 19 TB of anime

:Q

...sharing is caring..?

http://www.raspberryheaven.net/

19.95 currently i just checked, ive seen it as high as 24

:heart: Azumanga Daioh

Thanks :beer:

 

[DeeKnow]

if ppl can steal with absolutely zero risk of getting caught for it, they will. end of story. who cares if it's good or bad?