What are Christian values? I guess that depends on the individual Christian. But it's the ones who are unwilling to accept or even hear the views of others, like a kid covering his ears and going "lalalalalalala", who are ruining it for everybody. And the same can be said of fanatical members of any religion. Ironically, religion is going to ruin the world. . . well for human civilization anyway.
The Christian churches I know of are involved heavily in community projects (feeding the homeless, building shelters, etc).
If anyone has been in school lately they will realize that the one belief that has the most ignorant fanatics of them all are the atheists. Always quick to bring up their oh-so enlightened theories of why god doesn't exist...so quick to bring up "facts" about the churches around the world...and ever so much more quick to hold themselves high upon a pedestal because they think they know it all and are too cool to believe in god.
If anyone has been in school lately they will realize that the one belief that has the most ignorant fanatics of them all are the atheists. Always quick to bring up their oh-so enlightened theories of why god doesn't exist...so quick to bring up "facts" about the churches around the world...and ever so much more quick to hold themselves high upon a pedestal because they think they know it all and are too cool to believe in god.
Christian values are to seek eternal life for the world by faith in Christ. Christian values take all value away what we are and what we can do and so are not for exploitation which puts the expoliter above others. And Christians should not ignore and wash their hands about the sins of others but are concerned about the good of others to bring them to goodness and truth and grace in Jesus Christ. These two things are not in contradiction but are both aspects of love.
I don't know, every group has their idiots. And I'm firmly convinced you would be the last person to notice them in your own group, and the first to over-react to their presence in another group. It's easy to get angry with the fanatics you DON'T agree with, it's a little bit harder to truthfully notice the fanatics on your side. Basic human nature.
Maybe I was thinking of someone else, I thought for sure that you were a member of the God team. Perhaps I was wrong.
Christianity != Republican, please do not confuse a political stance with Christianity, the republican values and agenda is not the same as the Christian agenda, no matter what you want to think, they are two seperate and completely different things, christians belong to any and all political parties.
Bush != Christianity what one man does, even though he may consider himself a participant in the religion, does not represent the religion itself. the only one man that ever represent the whole religion would be Jesus. just the same can be applied to Islam, what 1 or 100 terrorist do even if they profess to be Muslim does not represent the religion, the only man that can be considered representative of the whole religion would be Muhammad.
and Christian values are very easily defined, as they are laid very straightforward in a book...its called the Bible, and can be found at your local book store.
oh and aidanjm have you ever been to a christian church? i very heartily doubt you will hear anything about tax cuts, abortion, or homosexuality while being there. usually the loudest people are the most extreme.
Bush != Christianity what one man does, even though he may consider himself a participant in the religion, does not represent the religion itself. the only one man that ever represent the whole religion would be Jesus. just the same can be applied to Islam, what 1 or 100 terrorist do even if they profess to be Muslim does not represent the religion, the only man that can be considered representative of the whole religion would be Muhammad.
and Christian values are very easily defined, as they are laid very straightforward in a book...its called the Bible, and can be found at your local book store.
oh and aidanjm have you ever been to a christian church? i very heartily doubt you will hear anything about tax cuts, abortion, or homosexuality while being there. usually the loudest people are the most extreme.
Not all conservatives are. I used to absolutely hate these two girls that held hands and prayed loudly in front of everyone when we would raise the flag for school events. They're no better than the snobby atheists (if not worse).
However I would defend religion over atheism solely because of the charity and community projects that churches put together out of sheer whole-heartedness. I've never seen an atheist private charity and I would tend to believe that most of them would think that it's the government's role to provide social help (something I highly disagree with).
I am pastor of a southern Baptist Church in Alabama. I do not bring politics to the pulpit ever! I think it is diminishing of the puplit and the preaching event. Preaching politics doesn't change people's hearts, only God's Word can do that... Politics doesn't offer redemption or forgiveness or salvation, only God's Word is sufficient for that... The only issue (what democrats call a "wedge issue") that I do bring up from time to time, b/c it is mentioned in the Bible and I don't selectively pick and choose what I preach, is the issue of abortion. I've brought it up maybe twice from the pulpit. Our church also intentionally supports the Baptist children's Home, which offers adoption services, foster homes, free marriage and family counseling througout the state... that's about as political as I get in the church... Half of my church is rural democrat (traditional pro-life democrat) while the other half (the younger families) tend to be republican... Outside the church, online mostly, I am a vocal republican as evidenced by these forums.
But Blanconino is right, most churches are involved in community projects, taking in Katrina refugees, feeding the poor, rebuilding homes, etc. In fact, did you know that the overwhelming majority of workers on the ground in the gulf coast area just so happen to be Southern Baptist? Its one thing to talk about Christian values, its another thing to see them lived out on a regular basis... The heart of Christian values is rooted in the Greatest commandment. Jesus said, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, sould, mind and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself." Love God, love people.
But Blanconino is right, most churches are involved in community projects, taking in Katrina refugees, feeding the poor, rebuilding homes, etc. In fact, did you know that the overwhelming majority of workers on the ground in the gulf coast area just so happen to be Southern Baptist? Its one thing to talk about Christian values, its another thing to see them lived out on a regular basis... The heart of Christian values is rooted in the Greatest commandment. Jesus said, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, sould, mind and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself." Love God, love people.
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On the contrary, when you see homeless feeding in the city it is usually food not bombs on the front line, not churches anymore.
bush has cut a lot of the subsidies to chruches to feed homeless for the war, its downright shameful.
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yeah, its not the best, and its dumpster food, being homeless is not fun, it is still food though that does not need to be cooked.
Christians should have one overarching value: to be like Christ. And Jesus, who is Christ, set the example. He did it well enough that it is still making a stir 2000+ years later.
And conservatives vote the lazy into the white house.
http://ask.yahoo.com/20031001.html
According to an August 2003 article in the Washington Post, President Bush has spent all or part of 166 days during his presidency at his Crawford, Texas, ranch or en route. Add the time spent at or en route to the presidential retreat of Camp David and at the Bush family estate in Kennebunkport, Maine, and Bush has taken 250 days off as of August 2003. That's 27% of his presidency spent on vacation. Although to be fair, much of this time is classified as a "working vacation."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703.html
Wednesday, August 3, 2005; Page A04
WACO, Tex., Aug. 2 -- President Bush is getting the kind of break most Americans can only dream of -- nearly five weeks away from the office, loaded with vacation time.
The president departed Tuesday for his longest stretch yet away from the White House, arriving at his Crawford ranch in the evening to clear brush, visit with family and friends, and tend to some outside-the-Beltway politics. By historical standards, it is the longest presidential retreat in at least 36 years.
President Bush, getting ready to fly to his ranch with dog Barney, said the day before: "No matter how hot it gets, I enjoy spending time in Texas." (By Duane A. Laverty -- Associated Press)
The August getaway is Bush's 49th trip to his cherished ranch since taking office and Tuesday was the 319th day that Bush has spent, entirely or partially, in Crawford -- roughly 20 percent of his presidency to date, according to Mark Knoller, a CBS Radio reporter known for keeping better records of the president's travel than the White House itself. Weekends and holidays at Camp David or at his parents' compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, bump up the proportion of Bush's time away from Washington even further.
Bush's long vacations are more than a curiosity: They play into diametrically opposite arguments about this leadership style. To critics and late-night comics, they symbolize a lackadaisical approach to the world's most important day job, an impression bolstered by Bush's periodic two-hour midday exercise sessions and his disinclination to work nights or weekends. The more vociferous among Bush's foes have noted that he spent a month at the ranch shortly before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, when critics assert he should have been more attentive to warning signs.
Sadly that is something completely lost to most "christians" who would avert their eyes rather than wash a prostitutes feet, or send "criminals" out of the country rather than give them the clothes on their back.
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