What am I missing with a 9800 Pro?

GusSmed

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I have an AMD 3400+ with a 128MB 9800 Pro. Back when I purchased the system in June of 2004, this was a fairly reasonable machine. I don't tend to play the latest first person shooters, tending more towards strategy games, and I haven't noticed meaningful performance issues with anything I've played.

I did find that my laptop, a 2.4 GHz P4 with a nVidia 420 Go, wasn't really up to anything I play currently. Which was generally OK, since my wife was now using it for wireless web browsing in bed, in front of the TV, etc.

Recently she Pepsi syndromed the laptop. Literally, with diet Pepsi. Now it still runs, but it behaves quite oddly, refusing to accept keyboard input sometimes, and generating random keystrokes other times. I found I couldn't open the case despite unscrewing everything I could find. I can pay a local technician to take it apart and fix it, no doubt, but I was toying with the idea of using this as an excuse to replace it with something that could run current games.

To try and get a handle on how various laptops compared to my desktop system, I ran 3DMark06, and I was taken aback and appalled at how slowly it ran. I ended up with an average of about 2 FPS in both tests 1 and 2, which wasn't what I expected at all. Overall 3D score was 552.

I see through ORB that there area people with comparable CPUs with a NVidia 7600GT getting 20-24 FPS from those tests. What happened in the last 2 years? I expected to be a bit behind the leading edge, but not by a factor of 10.

Are newer games really that demanding? I recently ran the Company of Heroes demo, and it seemed to be fairly happy. Of course, I saw that the automatic settings were 1024x768, low quality textures, low quality reflections, no damage textures, etc. Is the difference really that great?

In other words, will I really see a significant difference in upgrading to a 7600GT or 7800GS?

- Gus
 

Nightmare225

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What's a 9600GT or GS? :(

If you meant 7600GT and 7800GS, yes, the difference will be phenomenal!
 

GusSmed

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D'oh! Yes, I meant a 7600GT or 7800GS. Too many darned model numbers.

I'll go back and edit my post.

- Gus
 

Nightmare225

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Originally posted by: GusSmed
D'oh! Yes, I meant a 7600GT or 7800GS. Too many darned model numbers.

I'll go back and edit my post.

- Gus

If you really want to stick with AGP, I'd get the 7600GT as it performs similarly to the 7800GS and is supposed to be way cheaper. But, then, this would only be a stopgap as newer games will be quite demanding.
 

GusSmed

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True, but we're talking about an investment of $200 versus $1000-$2000 for a new computer. Granted, I could just replace the motherboard, CPU, and memory, but generally when I make that kind of change I hand down my desktop to my wife more or less intact.

- Gus
 

GusSmed

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Make that $270, since I was unable to find anyone selling the AGP version of the 7600GT anywhere. Only one site actually listed it, and they were out of stock. Newegg doesn't carry the Leadtek card anymore.

- Gus
 

Nightmare225

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Ok, upgrade to the 7800GS and then build a new rig based around the 2nd generation of DX10 cards, that should do you well. :)
 

Mavrick007

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Or wait til the new x1950 Pro comes out in a couple weeks for AGP and go with that. It's supposed to retail for around $200 US and should be the fastest AGP card out ever.
 

AndrewL

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The 7800gs is a good card but im willing to bet you could find and x850xt or x800xl for much cheaper if you dig around a bit or buy used.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Mavrick007
Or wait til the new x1950 Pro comes out in a couple weeks for AGP and go with that. It's supposed to retail for around $200 US and should be the fastest AGP card out ever.

I am in the same boat as the OP and looking for an AGP video card to upgrade my Radeon 9800NP. That might be my next purchase. I'm not looking to upgrade my entire system just now.
 

mikeford

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Wow, I must be in the dingy way behind that boat, I am looking at upgrading my Ati 9200 to maybe a 9800 pro (found one local for about $50), but like the OP I have no real issues with any current game, and generally I think preemptive video card purchases are ALWAYS a bad idea.

AGP is never going to support HDCP (some technical issue), which means no HD from internal drives or a Cablecard, and hard to say what else. Very soon HDCP is going to be a "check box" item, cards that don't have it are going to get clearanced just like the LCD without DVI (and shortly HDCP which most also lack).
 

Dkcode

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Id reccomend the 7800GS, if you was happy gaming with a 9800Pro then the GS will put a big smile on your face.
 

imported_goku

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Get the gainward 7800GS+ Text

It's the 24pipe configuration. Basically it's a 7800GTX card for AGP except it has 512MB of ram.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: wizzack
It's possible to flash your card to be a 9800 xt. However, it still requires you to replace the stock GPU fan and it's not a huge upgrade. Here's the guide I used if you want to check it out:

http://www.rojakpot.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=92&pgno=0

The OP would be better off overclocking as not all cards are R360s... Also if the OP does overclock and has better cooling, it will probably make the difference between "playable resolutions" and "unplayable".
 

Pabster

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You can get X850XT for less than $100. Used, of course, but new ones aren't much more. $120 maybe.

A 7800GS is faster but not significantly so for the price difference.

At any rate, either would make your 9800 look like a relic. (Which it is :p)
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Pabster
You can get X850XT for less than $100. Used, of course, but new ones aren't much more. $120 maybe.

A 7800GS is faster but not significantly so for the price difference.

At any rate, either would make your 9800 look like a relic. (Which it is :p)

i replaced my 9800XT with an x850xt . . . it it at least twice as fast as my old card . . .
. . . unfortunately there are few new AGP x850xts at a reasonable price.

the OP said:
I recently ran the Company of Heroes demo, and it seemed to be fairly happy. Of course, I saw that the automatic settings were 1024x768, low quality textures, low quality reflections, no damage textures, etc. Is the difference really that great?
Yes
 

hosto

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i upgraded my 9800 pro 128mb to a 6800gs 256mb (which is by no means the fastest card) and i noticed massive differences particuarly in games using doom3 engine...i can run them smoothly at 1600x1200 now, whereas before i could run them smoothly at 800x600

also noticed some ugly looking textures in doom3 engine that disappeared when i upgraded (flame, smoke effects)

fable runs waay better

far cry runs better..

can now run riddick at 1600x1200 instead of 800x600

 

Zebo

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From a price/perfromance standpoint you should buy an X850XTPE for $125 new or $100 used.

It's just as fast as 7800GS for half the price. (this extensive review shows x800xt so expect even faster with x850xtpe)
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bfg_geforce_7800_gs_agp/page10.asp


It's disadvantages are no SM3 or HDR - but that doesn't really matter because the 7800GS is too slow anyway to implement the additional features it has at high resolution.






 

mikeford

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X850XTPE point me to one of these in agp for $125.

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