What about the new Ipod Nano?

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Excelsior

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Originally posted by: HGC
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: HGC
I kept my last (non-Apple) player for several years. After a while, the battery started holding less and less charge. The last few years I had to recharge it after every use. I'd much rather use AAAs.

What player was it? And, I think with the advances made in technology, the battery in the nano should last quite a while (reliability wise).


It ws a RIO 600. Only $185 for 32 MB! It was a great little player, except for that battery issue. I hope they do make them better now, but I'm skeptical. Of course the only way to make a player really slim is with a built in battery.

Sure, but I don't think you can compare a Rio 600 to an iPod Nano in terms of bettery life.
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: HGC
I agree with KDOG. As it happened, my RIO 600 died the day the iPod nano came out. After much research I decided on the Creative MuVo Sport. $73 from NewEgg ( after mail-in rebate). Only 256 MB, BUT, it can add a 1 GB memory card, and it uses a AAA batteries, not a built in one that will die one day. Also very decent headphones, and it supports WMA. It's also compatible with MusicMatch.

Once again, Apple charges a big premium for cool factor, imo.

So how much will 4 1GB flash cards cost you? I'll bet by the time you buy them, you will spend more than you would have on a 4GB Nano. Apple has an exclusive deal w/ Samsung; the player is actually a very good deal, and people are speculating that Apple isn't making much profit on each unit.

There is no way in the world that the Creative player you mentionned is cheaper per megabyte; it's not possible.


QFT. So much anti-apple fanboys. How much does a U2 2GB cost? Answer that please!


Wait! I found 2GB player here.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16855603819

No color screen though.

Who was the QFT directed towards? Why would you quote me if it's not directed at me? :Q


I was quoting you because I thought you were right. THere is a 210 dollar 2GB player, but it isn't as slick as the nano, nor does it have a color screen.

Ow ya, apple advertised the old 2nd Gen minis as 18 Hours. I can get 28 hours out of my mini...... This is directed at the guy whos said cut the 14hours in half.
 

Staples

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I have never seen it asked on any boards.

The Nano has a 1.5 inch screen.
The Mini has a 1.67 inch screen.
The big ones have a 2 inch screen.

What is the effective resolution of each? Are they the same or will the smaller the screens, the less text you can see across them?
 

Hacp

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I think you can see 1 less line on the Mini. Not much of a different If you ask me.
 

Excelsior

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Staples, the Nano has a 176 x 132 pixel resolution, .168-mm dot pitch screen.

The regular big iPods have a 220 x 176 pixel resolution, 0.18-mm dot pitch screen.

The 2nd gen Mini has a 138 x 110 pixel resolution screen.

So, I guess the Nano actually has a crisper/more detailed screen than the Mini, for sure.

 

0roo0roo

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yea dot pitch esp matters for a screen that small. makes it look %@# crisp!! and the older ipod screens were no slouches either. apples always had very crisp screens.
 

Staples

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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Staples, the Nano has a 176 x 132 pixel resolution, .168-mm dot pitch screen.

The regular big iPods have a 220 x 176 pixel resolution, 0.18-mm dot pitch screen.

The 2nd gen Mini has a 138 x 110 pixel resolution screen.

So, I guess the Nano actually has a crisper/more detailed screen than the Mini, for sure.

Thank you. That is pretty good news for the Nano.

I am really itching for one.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: Staples
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Staples, the Nano has a 176 x 132 pixel resolution, .168-mm dot pitch screen.

The regular big iPods have a 220 x 176 pixel resolution, 0.18-mm dot pitch screen.

The 2nd gen Mini has a 138 x 110 pixel resolution screen.

So, I guess the Nano actually has a crisper/more detailed screen than the Mini, for sure.

Thank you. That is pretty good news for the Nano.

I am really itching for one.

NP, and I sort of want one now too. My mini should work just fine till they drop the price or up the memory size.
 

akugami

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As far as the list price, don't expect the Nano to drop any time soon. Samsung PO'ed just about every MP3 maker by giving deep discounts to Apple on the flash RAM. While no official price was given, rumors are that it's about 40-50% discount. You'll probably find the occasional 5%-10% discounts from places like Amazon or Target which seems to have a 10% off iPods sale every month or so. For now, the iPod Nano is likely to be sold at list price but in bundles with a couple of peripherals (FM transmitter for ex.) thrown in.
 

ai42

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Considering Apple sells millions of iPods a year and simply dominates the market it is no surprise that Apple was given deep discounts. No other MP3 maker comes close by a longshot. If I were Apple I would demand huge discounts since I could say with confidence that I will buy 2 million + units. Any other manufactuer would be 1/10th of that kind numbers.

Personally I wouldn't expect to see anything over 5% discount outside of education discount or refurb in a few months. The Nano from early numbers is just white hot and being sold out. I don't really see demand dying down anytime soon.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: ai42
Considering Apple sells millions of iPods a year and simply dominates the market it is no surprise that Apple was given deep discounts. No other MP3 maker comes close by a longshot. If I were Apple I would demand huge discounts since I could say with confidence that I will buy 2 million + units. Any other manufactuer would be 1/10th of that kind numbers.

Personally I wouldn't expect to see anything over 5% discount outside of education discount or refurb in a few months. The Nano from early numbers is just white hot and being sold out. I don't really see demand dying down anytime soon.

Agreed. Samsung knew that they would have a good deal with Apple since Apple would sell out of nanos as fast as they can make them.
 

Staples

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Originally posted by: akugami
As far as the list price, don't expect the Nano to drop any time soon. Samsung PO'ed just about every MP3 maker by giving deep discounts to Apple on the flash RAM. While no official price was given, rumors are that it's about 40-50% discount. You'll probably find the occasional 5%-10% discounts from places like Amazon or Target which seems to have a 10% off iPods sale every month or so. For now, the iPod Nano is likely to be sold at list price but in bundles with a couple of peripherals (FM transmitter for ex.) thrown in.

I really doubt there is a big retail markup on these things. Apple kind of makes it hard to do so when they put an MSRP on the item. They probably sell them to the store for $230 and mark them at $250. The retailer does not get a chance to mark them up. And that is why you never find one much cheaper than the MSRP. This seems to be the scenario with a lot of electronics.
 

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You guys think that maybe Motorola helped at all with the nano's design? I mean, the RAZR packs in color lcd's and a whole bunch of features into a super thin body. Not to mention the collaboration between motorola and apple on the ROKR. I don't know, just a thought.
 

ai42

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I really doubt there is a big retail markup on these things. Apple kind of makes it hard to do so when they put an MSRP on the item. They probably sell them to the store for $230 and mark them at $250. The retailer does not get a chance to mark them up. And that is why you never find one much cheaper than the MSRP. This seems to be the scenario with a lot of electronics.
Oh there is markup it's just that retailer's barely cash in on it. Apple of course have fixed pricing so you pretty much can't sell it for more. And often the retailers buy Apple products for like $5-8 profits. They make some back by selling accessories and what not. Now I'm sure big retail chains like Target negotiate slightly better deals but not likely by very much.

You guys think that maybe Motorola helped at all with the nano's design? I mean, the RAZR packs in color lcd's and a whole bunch of features into a super thin body. Not to mention the collaboration between motorola and apple on the ROKR. I don't know, just a thought.
Heck no! Look at the ROKR it doesn't look very Appleish outside of the user interface. And look at the Nano which of course is very much based on the classic iPod design. And if you watch the keynote Steve smircks a few times and I'm willing to bet he hates that phone. I'm guessing that Apple couldn't resist the big money Motorola and Cingular was offering them. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Motorola didn't even know about the nano or was only told at the last minute. Steve of course likes his secrecy.
 

Stretchman

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One thing that always bugs me about the backing - it is incredibly easy to smudge. Perhaps the ipod and nano version need that conductive material, but as someone who purchases apple products also for aesthetics, i'd much rather use my ipod mini and not worry about cleaning up the backside all the time.
 

Nessal

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Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
Just to be clear on the prices, Apple's Nano models, adjusted for the education discount (which everyone can use) and tax...

2GB Nano: $191
4GB Nano: $244

Meanwhile, you can get a generic 5GB mp3 player from NewEgg for $150, and a 5GB Zen Micro is $190.

Personally, I think Apple is all flash (no pun intended) and little substance. The only practical thing going for them right now is the iTunes connection. If you're a heavy iTunes user, I can certainly understand getting an iPod. Otherwise there's really not much point.



Someone get this guy a clue.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
No. Have you tried iTunes? It's amazing.

:thumbsup:

iTunes is the best music manager out there. I think the big misconception is that you HAVE to purchase music through the Store. You do not! You can put all your MP3s from "other sources" and transfer them to your iPod without spending a penny at the store.